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In a message dated 4/6/99 1:44:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

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<< My doctor only has certain labs he can use (partly a managed care

practice), and cannot do the test from Texas. (I might use another

doctor for this) BUT he said I could come in and have the old clotting

time test done. Would this be useful at all? Could you be normal on the

clotting time test and still have the hypercoagulation? He also cannot

do IV stuff like the heparin. Can you just take coumadin if you had

this problem? Would that do anythinng? >>

Jody, the old clotting test is really done for illnesses such as Von

Willabraun's Syndrome. It's one to just test clotting and not test

coagulation. The test from Hemex will take all forms of insurance and they

are from Arizona. You need a laboratory that is looking at low level DIC

(disseminated intra-vascular coagulation) and few do that. The heparin was

never given by IV. In fact, the physician is faxed a protocol that tells

them how to treat this according to the test results. Heparin shots are

taken by the patients who learn how to give shots to themselves and, in many

cases, they're only on the shots for weeks. The coumadin did not seem

helpful when used in the pilot trials until the patient's DIC state was

reversed. At that time, they used coumadin as a low maintainance remedy.

Gail

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In a message dated 4/11/99 2:44:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

GAILRONDA@... writes:

> .the extra

> protein (fibreegan) builds up on the endothilial cells (the lining of the

> skin that transports blood) and, eventually, the liver is affected. It

can

> be turned around, though.

> Gail

Hello Gail........ This is going be a weird ? but just underneath the

skin, I have the tinyest little nodules, like the jell pack substance they

put in packets to keep vits fresh etc in the bottles...?

also does the red cells become odd shaped and broken bridges, just curious

about the gossip on this..

Thank you......

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In a message dated 4/11/99 3:58:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SUSYDOG@...

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<< but just underneath the

skin, I have the tinyest little nodules, like the jell pack substance they

put in packets to keep vits fresh etc in the bottles...?

also does the red cells become odd shaped and broken bridges, just curious

about the gossip on this.. >>

A lot of people have skin problems. The ones I've spoken to that have been

on the protocol and are now just on maintainance said their skin cleared up

completely. Dr. Les Simpson from New Zealand (now , I think, Australia)

found the RBCs were misshapen and that has a lot to do with this. The blood

can't circulate correctly when the arteries and veins have narrowed so much

from the build-up on the walls. It's like mild arteriosclerosis......with

mini clots instead of large ones.

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Hi,

I am continually amazed at the crossover symptoms and syndromes of these

various diseases. The following skin/clotting problem can be dangerous,

however. Suzy, have you spoken to you doctor about the nodulues? I also

have had the small blood vessel involvement in back of eye which resulted

in blindness, so I react when I hear about these things.

Take care & good luck to you,

Christie

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>In a message dated 4/11/99 3:58:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SUSYDOG@...

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><< but just underneath the

> skin, I have the tinyest little nodules, like the jell pack substance they

> put in packets to keep vits fresh etc in the bottles...?

> also does the red cells become odd shaped and broken bridges, just curious

> about the gossip on this.. >>

>A lot of people have skin problems. The ones I've spoken to that have been

>on the protocol and are now just on maintainance said their skin cleared up

>completely. Dr. Les Simpson from New Zealand (now , I think, Australia)

>found the RBCs were misshapen and that has a lot to do with this. The blood

>can't circulate correctly when the arteries and veins have narrowed so much

>from the build-up on the walls. It's like mild arteriosclerosis......with

>mini clots instead of large ones.

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In a message dated 4/11/99 7:44:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tab@...

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> I also have had the small blood vessel involvement in back of eye

so far Christie , No problem but i have been lucky with circulation etc. Drs

never said anything about the nodules, but as you know it is common to have

eye problems, have to keep up noticing anything new..... and question it.

Good Luck.....Thank You

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  • 6 years later...

Wallace

Good post. I would think though the slime in the throat may be key

to understanding the sticky in the blood. Bacteria produce adhesions

that allow them to cling to cells.Free floating adhesions may

explain that sticky blood.

> Suzy posted this but I thought it might be useful to people here.

> Maybe some of us have this?

>

> Wallace

>

> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,175-1741009,00.html

>

> August 20, 2005

>

> Body & Soul

>

> Old-fashioned detective work

> Simon Crompton

>

> Dr discovered a disease that affects 150,000 Britons. Now

it

> bears

> his name

>

> Just across the river from the Houses of Parliament, tucked away

in St

> ' Hospital, works a man who should be recognised as one of

the

> heroes

> of modern medicine. Yet despite being hailed around the world as

> having made

> one of the most important medical discoveries of the past 50

years,

> no one

> beyond a select band in the UK has heard of him or the syndrome he

> discovered - even though it has implications for all areas of

> medicine and

> affects 150,000 people in the UK.

>

> About 20 years ago, the rheumatologist Dr Graham reported

in

> the

> British Medical Journal that he had identified a syndrome that

> resulted in

> blood becoming sticky, leading to potentially dangerous blood

clots.

> Since

> then, his discovery has been confirmed as the cause of one in five

> recurrent

> miscarriages, one in five strokes in younger people, and one in

five

> DVTs

> (deep vein clots). Sticky blood is also strongly linked with

migraine,

> Alzheimer's disease, and infertility, and the numbers believed to

be

> affected are larger than those with high-profile conditions such as

> Parkinson's disease.

>

> Internationally, hundreds flock to Dr 's lectures and fellow

> scientists have hailed his discovery by naming this strange

condition

>

> syndrome. The dean of medicine at Barcelona University has said

that

> there

> are just two new diseases of the late 20th century -

syndrome

> and

> Aids.

>

> Yet here? Here we're hardly making the most of a great British

> achievement.

> Dr reckons that only a handful of GPs are alert to the

> condition and

> this lack of knowledge causes thousands of people to suffer

> needlessly - and

> thousands of unnecessary miscarriages. " Bit by bit, obstetricians

and

> neurologists are picking up on it but GPs aren't, " says Dr ,

> who runs

> the Lupus Research Unit at St 's. " It's not easy to pick up

> because

> sticky blood can affect every organ in the body. The commonest

> problems

> people have are migraine, headaches and memory loss. Some cases

are

> picked

> up in infertility clinics and there is now a simple blood test

> provided to

> some women who have had two or more miscarriages. But it's not

> routinely

> available. It's inexpensive and should be standard for all

pregnant

> women. "

>

> Perhaps one of the reasons why syndrome hasn't hit the

> headlines is

> that its discovery was the result of good old-fashioned clinical

> detective

> work - not massive research funding. Dr made his discovery

> through

> carefully observing and talking to thousands of patients -

something,

> as he

> is only too aware, that most doctors nowadays have precious little

> time to

> do. He is obviously a master of the art, in conversation he is

polite

> and

> enthusiastic - the kind of doctor you would really want to

describe

> all your

> symptoms to in detail.

> It started in the early 1970s, when he set up Europe's first

clinic

> for

> lupus (a type of arthritis) in Hammersmith Hospital. On his ward

> rounds, he

> was struck by the number of people who seemed to have a collection

of

> symptoms - memory loss, balance problems, recurrent miscarriage,

> fluctuating

> blood pressure and recurrent thrombosis - who then went on to have

> strokes

> and heart attack. Testing their blood, he found that all had high

> levels of

> a kind of antibody that destroys phospholipid - a fat found in

cells.

>

> It was clear that these were not simply lupus symptoms. " Right

from

> the

> start, we knew we were on to something, " says Dr . So he

went

> to other

> hospital departments and asked if specialists had seen similar

> problems.

> Sure enough, liver clinics revealed people with liver blood clots

who

> also

> displayed memory loss, fluctuating blood pressure and so on. The

same

> pattern appeared in epilepsy, multiple sclerosis and pregnancy

> clinics. And

> all the patients with these groups of symptoms also revealed high

> levels of

> antiphospholipid antibodies.

> Since 1983, a host of research papers has been published, tracing

the

> antiphospholipid antibody as a key factor in a range of diseases.

Dr

>

> believes he now understands the mechanism behind syndrome,

or

> antiphospholipid syndrome as it is also known.

>

> In people with a genetic predisposition to the syndrome, a virus

> seems to

> trigger the release of antiphospholipid antibodies into the blood.

> These

> attack the slippery coating of blood cells, so they become sticky,

jam

> together and cause clots. Since clotting can affect every sphere of

> medicine, the syndrome can be at the root of many conditions. In

> pregnancy,

> clots block the placenta causing it and the foetus to wither and

die.

> In

> neurological conditions, such as memory loss, the clots impair

blood

> flow to

> the brain.

>

> And now research by Dr and his team at St ' is

revealing

> that

> many people with syndrome are being misdiagnosed as having

> multiple

> sclerosis. " Thirty per cent of people with syndrome have

that

> label

> hanging over them at some stage, " he says.

>

> Once syndrome is diagnosed through a blood test, then it is

> easily

> controlled. Taking aspirin, or anticoagulants such as heparin and

> warfarin,

> produces a dramatic reduction in symptoms in 80 per cent of

> patients. " We had

> one lady who had been wrongly told she had 'mad cow' disease, and

> she's well

> now, " he says. Another was in a wheelchair, paralysed from the

waist

> down -

> luckily, she was seen by a neurologist who referred her to us and

she

> can

> walk now. "

>

> It must be like being a miracle worker. But you also sense his

> realism.

> Sadly, until doctors throughout the UK become aware of sticky

blood,

> the

> full implications of his discovery are unlikely to be

realised. " I'm

> proud

> that the community decided to call it syndrome, " he

says. " But

> I

> think they only did so because my name is easier to spell than

> antiphospholipid. "

>

> Have you got it?

>

> If you have had one or more of the following, you may have the

sticky

> blood

> condition discovered by Dr :

> Memory loss; recurring migraine and headaches; a deep vein

thrombosis;

> recurrent miscarriage; mini-stroke, or stroke in a young person.

>

>

> A testing kit for Syndrome, £28, is available from TDL

> Pathology,

> stickyblood@, 020-7307 7373

>

> Visit www.hughes-syndrome.org or call 020-7188 8217

>

> What's in a name?

>

> There have never been any strict criteria for a syndrome or

disease

> to be

> named after its discoverer - it's usually a matter of medical

> colleagues

> deciding that they deserve it. There's invariably a more technical

> name for

> a condition, too. Here are some stories behind the eponyms.

>

> Down's syndrome: English physician Langdon Down published a

> paper in

> 1887 describing the condition now known to be caused by a genetic

> defect.

> The term was not officially adopted by the World Health

Organisation

> until

> 1965 - before then, Down's syndrome was still known as Mongolian

> idiocy.

>

> Alzheimer's disease: The German neurosurgeon Alois Alzheimer first

> referred

> publicly to what he described as a " peculiar disease of the

cerebral

> cortex "

> in November 1906. By 1910 the condition had become known as

> Alzheimer's

> disease, despite lobbying by Italians, who favoured the name

> Alzheimer-Perusini in honour of another researcher.

>

> Reiter's syndrome: a combination of genital, eye and joint

> inflammation, was

> actually documented by Sir Brodie in 1818 -

almost

> 100

> years before Reiter documented a single case. However, a 1942

article

> describing the first known American case of the disease credited

Hans

> Conrad

> Julius Reiter alone as having discovered it, and the eponym stuck.

In

> recent

> years Reiter's record as a Nazi war criminal has prompted efforts

by

> members

> of the American College of Rheumatology to have the disease

renamed,

> but

> there is no clear process for doing so and the title has so far

stuck.

>

> Munchausen's syndrome: the continuous fabrication of symptoms or

an

> illness

> by a patient is named not after its discoverer but after the

> fictional Baron

> Munchausen, famous for his tall tales - such as sailing to the

moon

> in a

> ship.

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  • 2 years later...

Hi friend, didn't get your name. But I had my spleen removed years ago, and

my blood platelets got really sticky, and they were watching for a stroke. Then

with the ReA getting worse all the time, they were really upset. Then finally

this new Dr came into the group and laughed, and said all I need to do is take a

baby aspirin everyday. And when they test my blood now, it is fine.Maybe you can

try that, and next time you see the Dr tell him/her to test your blood

again.Should work for you too. D. In Oregon

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