Re: Mercola deprecating some of the ruined whey products

[Guest guest]

Olushola, if you read it again, Mercola's writer actually singled out the worst

boiled whey, the worst factory methods, and the worst additives to use as a

contrast, which doesn't apply to properly prepared undenatured whey concentrates

and isolates.

Unfortunately the second half of good reporting, the contrast of the ruined with

the good products was mainly left out of the article. The disinformation worked

on You, olushola, but self-healthies usually can tell the difference.

In fact, there's a large body of science out there on good-quality " undenatured "

whey isolates and concentrates.

We can agree that a boiled ruined product full of additives is substandard, but

let's discuss a hundred of the good ones on the market. I have outlined a couple

of exemplary products and given references on how to tell them apart on my

website:

http://tinyurl.com/whey-page

all good,

Duncan

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > , right off the bat this week I told you about undenatured whey,

> > which is chemotherapeutic on its own (patented as such today) and

> > undenatured whey isolate is also the only supplement indicated in the

> > Physician's Desktop Reference for prescription drugs, specifically as an

> > anti-cachexia (anti-wasting) approach. Body builders use it too for the same

> > reason.

> >

> > I forgive you for skipping some replies, but when you ask for the most

> > crucial information TWICE I'm thinking you're not really reading the

> > answers. I'm sorry about your luck and pain but you have to follow the

> > replies in order for this discussion to be at all useful.

> >

>

> The following is a very good article concerning the quality of whey. By the

> way, it talks about why whey isolate as an inferior brand of whey. The

> comments are very informative and well worth reading.

>

>

http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2011/05/11/whey-protein-shown-s\

uperior-to-other-milk-proteins-for-building-muscle.aspx

>

> Olushola

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, DuncanCrow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

 

Olushola, if you read it again, Mercola's writer actually singled out the worst boiled whey, the worst factory methods, and the worst additives to use as a contrast, which doesn't apply to properly prepared undenatured whey concentrates and isolates.

Unfortunately the second half of good reporting, the contrast of the ruined with the good products was mainly left out of the article. The disinformation worked on You, olushola, but self-healthies usually can tell the difference.

What is a self-healthy?Here's some snippets from the article. Note: " All whey protein isolates " is a very definitive statement. Olushola

We all live by grace, and it good medicine to be grateful and humbleWhey Protein Isolates have Dangerous Forms of Protein

All whey protein isolates are devoid of nutritional co-factors including alkalizing minerals, naturally occurring vitamins, and lipids,

which are lost in the processing... This renders them deficient and overly acidifying. Unlike whole protein food concentrates which does not

acidify your body due to it's alkalinizing minerals, whey protein isolate are over acidifying. 

Whey isolate can be a serious liability.

If chronically consumed in large amounts (such as with bodybuilders or athletes) without alkalizing foods, it can acidify your body and over time may lead to metabolic acidosis with consequences that include waste

of muscle and bone tissues, total metabolic shut down, and increased vulnerability to degenerative disease.

Many cheap whey protein isolates are produced from acid cheese; they're byproducts of acid processing, which is a cheap way to separate whey from the curd. Most of these whey products are rated below pet foods because of the inferior quality of the protein, which is actually more of a nitrogen waste product than one that will produce health benefits that are mentioned in the featured study.

Additionally once the fat has been removed from whey protein isolate,

you lose some of the most important components of its immunological properties, such as phospholipids, phosphatidylserine

and CLA. All of the IgG immunoglobulins, which are an excellent source of glutamine and glutamylcysteine, are also bound to the fat globule, and therefore lost in the processing of whey isolates.

So the bottom line is that if you want to use whey protein, PLEASE do

not use an inferior whey isolate as there is no doubt in my mind it will cause more damage to you than benefit. 

[Guest guest]

Olushola, the phrase points out that whey has been refined, so indeed some

nutrients have been removed. The refining is precisely what makes undenatured

whey the #1 product as a glutathione increaser and also the #1 based on

biological value (easy assimilation) of any protein.

Mercola's writer is actually incorrect about whey being acidifying; body

builders know better. His pathetic argument could have mentioned that

undenatured whey with a nutritious diet ensures you won't be malnourished and

you will have plenty of bioavailable protein.

And be in the upper quartile for anti-aging. ALL people who hit 100 years of age

have unusually high levels of glutathione.

Mercola didn't present a valid argument against high-quality whey except for the

removal of nutrients, as no food but milk is nutritionally complete, so balanced

nutrition requires a varied diet and food combinations anyway.

A self-healthy is a person who knows that

all good,

Duncan

>

> What is a self-healthy?

>

> Here's some snippets from the article. Note: " All whey protein isolates " is

> a very definitive statement.

>

> Olushola

> We all live by grace, and it good medicine to be grateful and humble

>

>

> Whey Protein Isolates have Dangerous Forms of Protein

>

> *All whey protein isolates* are devoid of nutritional co-factors including

> alkalizing minerals, naturally occurring vitamins, and lipids, which are

> lost in the processing... This renders them deficient and overly acidifying.

[Guest guest]

Hi duncan,What brand if unrefined whey do u recommend to produce glutathion naturally? And what do u think of maxgxl? I have bad case of acne, due to usr of steroids i guess. But it just wont go i tried the beck protocol on ot but it didnt do much and now im welling to try glutathion precursors. Do u think it will help with acne? Many thanksSaudSAUD H. ALFARHANOn Jun 26, 2011, at 1:55, "DuncanCrow" <duncancrow@...> wrote:

Olushola, the phrase points out that whey has been refined, so indeed some nutrients have been removed. The refining is precisely what makes undenatured whey the #1 product as a glutathione increaser and also the #1 based on biological value (easy assimilation) of any protein.

Mercola's writer is actually incorrect about whey being acidifying; body builders know better. His pathetic argument could have mentioned that undenatured whey with a nutritious diet ensures you won't be malnourished and you will have plenty of bioavailable protein.

And be in the upper quartile for anti-aging. ALL people who hit 100 years of age have unusually high levels of glutathione.

Mercola didn't present a valid argument against high-quality whey except for the removal of nutrients, as no food but milk is nutritionally complete, so balanced nutrition requires a varied diet and food combinations anyway.

A self-healthy is a person who knows that

all good,

Duncan

>

> What is a self-healthy?

>

> Here's some snippets from the article. Note: "All whey protein isolates" is

> a very definitive statement.

>

> Olushola

> We all live by grace, and it good medicine to be grateful and humble

>

>

> Whey Protein Isolates have Dangerous Forms of Protein

>

> *All whey protein isolates* are devoid of nutritional co-factors including

> alkalizing minerals, naturally occurring vitamins, and lipids, which are

> lost in the processing... This renders them deficient and overly acidifying.

[Guest guest]

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:55 PM, DuncanCrow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

Olushola, the phrase points out that whey has been refined, so indeed some nutrients have been removed. The refining is precisely what makes undenatured whey the #1 product as a glutathione increaser and also the #1 based on biological value (easy assimilation) of any protein.

I got that. Been doing some research on the difference between concentrate and isolate forms of whey. Basically most of the sites say that the isolate have a lower fat and higher protein content; but some stress that a

high quality whey concentrate will contain a bunch of other goodies such as growth factors like IGF-1 and immunoglobulins and lactoferrin, which improve your immune system and increase your antioxidant protection.

Also many whey formulas now contain a mixture of the two; hmm, sounds like back-tracking.

Mercola's writer is actually incorrect about whey being acidifying; body builders know better. His pathetic argument could have mentioned that undenatured whey with a nutritious diet ensures you won't be malnourished and you will have plenty of bioavailable protein.

Yes this is an important point, A balance diet is absolutely essential. Maybe Mercola was comparing the two in isolation of anything else. There are a lot of foods being processed as isolates and they are not all bad, as they can address a particular issue that would required massive amount of the naturally occurring or concentrate forms.I guess the lesson here is that absolutes are seldom true.

And be in the upper quartile for anti-aging. ALL people who hit 100 years of age have unusually high levels of glutathione. Hmm, this is a good peace of information. Can you supply a source for this? I want to share it with this nursing home.

 

A self-healthy is a person who knows that :)Okay It was not my intention in my initial post to take a position or to discredit what you said. I only presented a different point of view with the hope that clarity could be provided; and you did that, thanks. I think I will stick with the concentrate instead of the isolate.

all good, Indeed

Duncan

>

> What is a self-healthy?

>

> Here's some snippets from the article. Note: " All whey protein isolates " is

> a very definitive statement.

>

> Olushola

> We all live by grace, and it good medicine to be grateful and humble

>

>

> Whey Protein Isolates have Dangerous Forms of Protein

>

> *All whey protein isolates* are devoid of nutritional co-factors including

> alkalizing minerals, naturally occurring vitamins, and lipids, which are

> lost in the processing... This renders them deficient and overly acidifying.

[Guest guest]

Saud, any undenatured whey promotes glutathione production in every cell, and

the ones that promote the most have higher amounts of the proteins with more

bonded cysteines, the rate-limiting factor for glutathione production. The

criteria is that the proteins were not broken by cooking or processing or they

are not listed in the protein profile. There's a method to calculate the exact

amount of bonded cysteine based on the percentage of undenatured protein vs. its

type, and a couple of example products on my whey page:

http://tinyurl.com/whey-page

There are probably more than 50 undenatured wheys that would qualify.

The active ingredient of MAXGXL is n-acetylcysteine, which as soon as it hits

water starts to decomppose and release free form cysteine, which is handled as a

toxin. NAC has a very short half life so time release formulas have come out. If

glutathione is allowed to fall it can drop to below initial levels, which

stimulates infection of all types, so care must be taken depending on the

timing. Doctors generally don't recommend NAC as a supplement, citing

diminishing returns other than saving a life in the hospital, but many people

take it because they don't feel the toxin release at low doses and they guess it

might be helping more than breaking even.

Glutathione is the biggest immune system booster. Transfer Factor has also been

used to treat ACNE, reported in the Russian Methodological letter:

http://www.discovertransferfactor.com/RussianMethodologicalLetter.pdf

Not to say that particular brand is the only one;

http://Researchednutritionals.com has several. Heming says to ask them

which blend, say she's your coach, then use code HXXX online to make the

purchase. frequents the electroherbalism group.

all good,

Duncan

>

> > Olushola, the phrase points out that whey has been refined, so indeed some

nutrients have been removed. The refining is precisely what makes undenatured

whey the #1 product as a glutathione increaser and also the #1 based on

biological value (easy assimilation) of any protein.

> >

> > Mercola's writer is actually incorrect about whey being acidifying; body

builders know better. His pathetic argument could have mentioned that

undenatured whey with a nutritious diet ensures you won't be malnourished and

you will have plenty of bioavailable protein.

> >

> > And be in the upper quartile for anti-aging. ALL people who hit 100 years of

age have unusually high levels of glutathione.

> >

> > Mercola didn't present a valid argument against high-quality whey except for

the removal of nutrients, as no food but milk is nutritionally complete, so

balanced nutrition requires a varied diet and food combinations anyway.

> >

> > A self-healthy is a person who knows that

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> > >

> > > What is a self-healthy?

> > >

> > > Here's some snippets from the article. Note: " All whey protein isolates "

is

> > > a very definitive statement.

> > >

> > > Olushola

> > > We all live by grace, and it good medicine to be grateful and humble

> > >

> > >

> > > Whey Protein Isolates have Dangerous Forms of Protein

> > >

> > > *All whey protein isolates* are devoid of nutritional co-factors including

> > > alkalizing minerals, naturally occurring vitamins, and lipids, which are

> > > lost in the processing... This renders them deficient and overly

acidifying.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I understand your need for clarity, olushola, with the way some of those opinion

columns are written. The health lists are a good place for that. Also, the body

building lists.

I'm using a high-quality whey isolate, but I understand that some of the

concentrates are almost as good.

I think the centenarian study will be in my glutathtione references page under

the aging section of the prewritten PubMed queries:

http://tinyurl.com/glutathione-references

all good,

Duncan

:

>

> **

> > Olushola, the phrase points out that whey has been refined, so indeed some

> > nutrients have been removed. The refining is precisely what makes

> > undenatured whey the #1 product as a glutathione increaser and also the #1

> > based on biological value (easy assimilation) of any protein.

> >

>

> I got that. Been doing some research on the difference between concentrate

> and isolate forms of whey. Basically most of the sites say that the isolate

> have a lower fat and higher protein content; but some stress that a high

> quality whey concentrate will contain a bunch of other goodies such as

> growth factors like IGF-1 and immunoglobulins and lactoferrin, which improve

> your immune system and increase your antioxidant protection.

>

> Also many whey formulas now contain a mixture of the two; hmm, sounds like

> back-tracking.

>

> > Mercola's writer is actually incorrect about whey being acidifying; body

> > builders know better. His pathetic argument could have mentioned that

> > undenatured whey with a nutritious diet ensures you won't be malnourished

> > and you will have plenty of bioavailable protein.

> >

>

> Yes this is an important point, A balance diet is absolutely essential.

> Maybe Mercola was comparing the two in isolation of anything else. There are

> a lot of foods being processed as isolates and they are not all bad, as they

> can address a particular issue that would required massive amount of the

> naturally occurring or concentrate forms.I guess the lesson here is that

> absolutes are seldom true.

>

> And be in the upper quartile for anti-aging. ALL people who hit 100 years of

> > age have unusually high levels of glutathione.

> >

> Hmm, this is a good peace of information. Can you supply a source for this?

> I want to share it with this nursing home.

>

>

> > A self-healthy is a person who knows that

> >

> Okay It was not my intention in my initial post to take a position or to

> discredit what you said. I only presented a different point of view with the

> hope that clarity could be provided; and you did that, thanks. I think I

> will stick with the concentrate instead of the isolate.

>

> > all good,

> >

> Indeed

>

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> > >

> > > What is a self-healthy?

> > >

> > > Here's some snippets from the article. Note: " All whey protein isolates "

> > is

> > > a very definitive statement.

> > >

> > > Olushola

> > > We all live by grace, and it good medicine to be grateful and humble

> > >

> > >

> > > Whey Protein Isolates have Dangerous Forms of Protein

> > >

> > > *All whey protein isolates* are devoid of nutritional co-factors

> > including

> > > alkalizing minerals, naturally occurring vitamins, and lipids, which are

> > > lost in the processing... This renders them deficient and overly

> > acidifying.

> >

> >

> >

>