Re: Wrist Itching

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I get this too in a minor waybut it got better when I turned the voltage down and used very salty water to wet my wrist and the cloth sleeves.And when I drink a lot of salt and electrolytes before a session. All the salt seems to make things work better without as much voltage.

-On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Curt <squiggy6@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone know how to reduce the itching around the wrist using the blood pulser? Am I raising the voltage too high? When I first started the process, I did not have a rash. Curt

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Don't use electrodes directly on wrist (just in case you didn't know) Alternate wrists. From: Curt <squiggy6@...>Subject: Wrist Itching Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 1:30 PM

Does anyone know how to reduce the itching around the wrist using the blood pulser? Am I raising the voltage too high? When I first started the process, I did not have a rash. Curt

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You are too acidic.  Read up on baking soda and an alkaline diet.

Cheers,

Brad

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The problem with placing two electrodes on the wrist is the area of conduction

is small. I personally like to use two handheld electrodes where the conduction

area is larger and I know I get more current flow from them and much less

discomfort. I really can't argue if one is better then the other. All I know is

the handheld electrodes works for me.

I would be interested in opinions from people that used both.

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pulser? Am I raising the voltage too high? When I first started the process, I

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I would not use hand held, though I have used them. i do bloodstream

electrifying sometimes and there is no way that handheld electrodes can enter

enough current density into the bloodstream with the objective of microbe

elimination. I used handhelds with a Dr. setup and noticed less pain in

sinuses immediately, but they did not drain or clear up. Within half an hour or

so the pain was back again same as before.

It depends on what you are getting out of it, subjective factors seem to

determine what things people use in large numbers. Mild electric currents,

especially pulsating ones, can have a natural anesthetic effect, giving a

feeling of well-being, etc. If this helps boost immune system, encourages

survival somehow, that's great. If you are aiming a microbe nullification,

there is a certain method to that which is non-subjective and it matters exactly

what current density and how long it is applied across the microbes themselves

in order to get your desired effects.

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BG,

Would you then acknowledge that the Beck method of using two electrodes on the

wrist over the arteries work? He did do Dark field Microscope analysis and

showed the positive results.

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right. it will work with one or two wrists, and he said if your heart is

perfectly healthy, no pacemakers, etc, use two wrists.

my own question to myself is how long to use 4 hertz on one wrist to get rid of

serious microbes, like hep-c. An hour a day for one full year was tried without

success. 2.2 mil RNA strand count after a whole year of that. Changing to DC,

it dropped over 99 percent in 15 weeks from where it had plateaued using Beck's

4 hertz device. Would using Beck's for 2 hours a day have made a difference?

Who knows, but if someone with hep-c approaches me for advice, I would not just

give them a quote, but would also give them my own experience. They asked me

what I knew, had seen etc, not a quote they could find themselves. Anyone can

test this stuff. If it's health you want it's a wide open field. If it's a

specific deadly germ, then you have another situation entirely. I'm learning

about health, and would not advise anyone on it. But I'd certainly say what

happened with the few little tests done on deadly stuff. The best results came

with the meds plus the dc current from a very powerful source, using a meter to

keep it high but safe. And we got a documented full remission in a month, which

is unheard of. But not everyone will take those meds, and the ones who do, will

not do electricity. It's all belief systems it seems. Science is just

mechanics and though beliefs can affect health, the germ killing aspect is

mechanical, at least that's my current opinion. YMMV.

bG

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...you could easily set up any device to use all 4 extremities and work a great

deal faster with only an hour or less per day. so if you are using 4 hertz

device and you are not getting the viral load down, this might be an option

aside from using Dc current. I don't have a preference so long as the TESTED

results come in good. Just saying you feel better is nothing or worse, often

feeling worse shows more progress than feeling better. Without medical tests

you never know. really.

bG

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I agree without testing you really don' know. I know personally of one person

who has used the handheld pulser and magnetic pulser for two weeks and claims

that her symptoms such as chest pains, heart palpitations etc. has greatly

reduced. It could be placebo, but she is a Nurse and has tried every antibiotic

available to her.

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It isn't true that something does not work just because it has not been tested.

It just means that we have no idea if it works. Testing brings together idea

and fact.

And testing is a whole big field that appears much simpler than it is! I helped

a person get a medical PhD and it involved a lot of what you would call

" testing " in general. Almost no one got a high grade on that stuff, you are

expected to get your study peer-reviewed before you even start, pass it by a

department at the university called " Human Subjects " and finally hire a

statistician to do your analysis!!

By comparison, Microsoft spends, last time I heard, 2/3 the software budget on

testing, and far less on development. It takes about 6 weeks to write the

product, and years, sometimes 4 or more, to test it. The testers are often more

knowledgeable than the developers, and EVERYONE is engaged VERY full time

testing and fixing the product. It's like the proverbial " 3 hour tour " from

Gilligan's Island.

Why testing? What if the woman in the story were not a nurse and had to choose

between antibiotics and this? The nurse did both it appears, and she still has

the condition to some extent, so that questions if it is in fact a germ. Would

most people be able to do what she did? Wouldn't they instead be tempted to

just do the easier part with the device?

This nurse probably knows something about what she's doing and the report is

very sketchy (but alarming) about the chest pain and palpitations..anecdote

means short story, and it sounds either like a nice improvement, or like a 911

about to happen. If you got a call from her saying she was having chest pain

and heart palpitations and she would not offer her age, as she does not in her

story, what would you advise?

Missing are her stats on not only age, but weight, lipids, blood pressure and

most important -- family history. So against the improvement of symptoms, you

have unknowns and no diagnostic tests to show you any danger signs.

In my own experience the magnetic pulser released pressure on nerves by (*I

think) releasing fluids, so pain was reduced. It was a big success for me with

my carpal tunnel syndrome, could have saved surgery and sure relieved the

problem fast. But for her, if the pain goes away but the condition is masked,

what then? Is pain gone always a good thing? She might have less pain but set

up for a sudden heart attack, pulmonary embolisms (lung clots), stroke, etc if

she thinks it's been handled but we don't know based on this anecdote what is

really going on.

It's great when things improve, and for the cost of these devices and lack of

side effects you change the equation in favor of trying them out untested.

(Your only risk, and it is a big one, is someone skipping out of other, needed

care).

bG

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Just curious,and don't mean no disrespect to no one. I read in this forum and hear different opinions from different people. Some people even give two sides. These individuals that are giving this advice, what credentials do they have, is there ANY doctors in this forum? Any specialists,scientists,etc??Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

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That's a good question.

I think Bob Beck had a PhD in Physics who was the original of the Beck Protocol.

Consequently, many here have gone into the business of manufacturing his

products but aren't doctors themselves. They're in the business of things.

Some have gotten into alternative methods of healing due to an illness they've

had or some more for preventative messures. Some of those have gone on and

gotten various certificates via the internet and thus carry various initials

behind their names.

As far as an acutal medical doctor, I've seen one MD, one chiropractor, and one

podiatrist that has visited various lists. However, not often. It's just not

going to happen as I'm sure they're busy working.

I think one should be aware, especially when fighting a life threatening

illness, that most people here are not in the medical profession but rather have

a health consciousness and have embraced alternative methods. So you need to

weigh that into whatever advice is being given.

Gail

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hear different opinions from different people. Some people even give two sides.

These individuals that are giving this advice, what credentials do they have, is

there ANY doctors in this forum? Any specialists,scientists,etc??

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I appreciate your reply, which is educated and just makes sense. It's just that it confuses me when the Beck Protocol is put down,but then the same people build it up another time!!! I find some people here speak as if they are in the medical or research profession,taking information they're sharing like as if they was part of the research. Sharing information is totally cool, but let's speak as if we are sharing information,not as if we were part of a research group,or even a doctor!! I appreciate this channel,it just gets confusing sometimes!Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

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I would only listen to a Doctor that had at least studied these protocals and

would only consider his opinions. What I try to do myself is search for clinical

studies that have been done. Most of us rely only on empirical evidence from

testimonies which is fine since these protocals do no harm.

What I have read is that applying Pulsating or non pulsating DC causes Hydrogen

Peroxide to form inside your body which may be the reason why it seems to work.

Hydrogen Peroxide is also produced naturally inside your body. So no matter how

you apply it, it should help, but who can really say which is the best method.

Certainly not me.

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> I appreciate your reply, which is educated and just makes sense. It's just

that it confuses me when the Beck Protocol is put down,but then the same people

build it up another time!!! I find some people here speak as if they are in the

medical or research profession,taking information they're sharing like as if

they was part of the research. Sharing information is totally cool, but let's

speak as if we are sharing information,not as if we were part of a research

group,or even a doctor!! I appreciate this channel,it just gets confusing

sometimes!

> Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

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I posted to group page/menu/files a chart with results of recent HIV tests done

using Beck protocol over 2 years' time. He did it 5 times during that period,

including the part that says " stop taking your meds " . That is also part of the

protocol. Do you consider that doing no harm?

The end result was great harm, see the cd4 and viral load. He went from normal

with cd4 over 600 and viral load close to zero, to near-AIDS cd4 count, and

viral load in tens of thousands. This allowed plenty of time for " dieoffs " and

all the things they use to explain why the numbers got worse or did not improve.

He was extremely patient and did the protocol thoroughly.

Finally, if you think numbers are not predictive, then what do you go by to

predict the course of a disease that has no symptoms, you feel great, look

great, until it is too late, then often the meds don't work?

It is just my opinion, as a layman, that it would have been fine had he stuck to

the meds and tried to improve the situation without risking what was working.

Why did he not combine the Beck with the meds? Because Beck protocol said to

stop the meds. I know of NO doctor would ever agree to that, and this person's

doc must have been very worried when he did so. This person trusted a physicist

who never examined him, over a doctor who did. Immediately after the meds were

stopped the disease took off like a rocket the first 3 months. According to

everything I've read, he is going to be lucky if he can get back to his former

status if the meds will still work after his period of disuse. I wish him well,

he reported what happened so others can learn. The reports from SOTA indicate

they have not even seen many drug interractions using the Beck protocol where it

was used along with meds. So this is just a case of blind faith in Bob Beck's

every single word, versus all the rest.

You don't need to be a doctor, just ask any local Health dept, they offer this

exact info as public education, eg: king county public health.

bG

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would only consider his opinions. What I try to do myself is search for clinical

studies that have been done. Most of us rely only on empirical evidence from

testimonies which is fine since these protocals do no harm.

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I think it would be highly unethical for a licensed medical doctor to give

advice via the internet on a chat room for people whom they've never met,

examined, etc. It's not going to happen.

fwiw,

Gail

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> I appreciate your reply, which is educated and just makes sense. It's just

that it confuses me when the Beck Protocol is put down,but then the same people

build it up another time!!! I find some people here speak as if they are in the

medical or research profession,taking information they're sharing like as if

they was part of the research. Sharing information is totally cool, but let's

speak as if we are sharing information,not as if we were part of a research

group,or even a doctor!! I appreciate this channel,it just gets confusing

sometimes!

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The protocal I believe can't harm you, but getting off the Meds as you had

described did him no good. If he administered the protocal himself, how do we

know if he did it correctly. Don't forget the results that Einstein Medical

College did with killing off the virus, although the current was applied

directly to the arteries. There are so many variables that can't be fully

accounted for unless you are a Lab Rat. I suppose common sense should prevail.

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and would only consider his opinions. What I try to do myself is search for

clinical studies that have been done. Most of us rely only on empirical evidence

from testimonies which is fine since these protocals do no harm.

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You can read the whole story how he did it:

http://freedomfromhiv.blogspot.com/

He followed the protocol EXACTLY; the protocol says to do it exactly. So he

went off his meds. The protocol has not been updated.

Since 2006 we have known that HIV lives in gut linings where none of the

protocol is capable of reaching it. So the levels of current used for the time

periods needed in the Einstein College study could not be applied to this virus

location.

Even the meds don't reach it there. Toward the end of his life, Beck said your

numbers may/may not improve, but symptoms will improve. This is why. If you

had it in gut linings, numbers would not improve. Most advanced HIV cases have

it in gut linings. Beck died long before this discovery, which only came about

from autopsies of dead AIDS victims.

I wish he'd lived, then possibly his physics mind could have found a way to

reach it. Medicine is working on ways to get the meds into the gut linings. If

they do that, the meds alone could cure HIV, as they are very powerful.

bG

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and would only consider his opinions. What I try to do myself is search for

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BTW it helps in understanding HIV/AIDS to remember that HIV has no symptoms

after an initial mild flulike period that vanishes in a couple weeks. Then for

years you fee normal, which is how it spreads.

The symptoms begin in earnest once the virus has destroyed the immune system.

So using Beck protocol at that point will reduce these infections, but will not

kill the HIV, nor will it restore natural immunity. So quitting the protocol at

any point leaves you with nothing, no defense. Maybe this is good if you have

nothing else, end of the road. Then, using it while trying various meds against

HIV makes a LOT of sense and the combination could begin to work to restore

immunity while protecting against all sorts of infections. But the protocol

does not SAY to do that, nobody OWNS the protocol, and people just don't have

the right information. In fact it says to stay OFF the meds, which is exactly

the reverse of what you want to try. This in no way says it can't work fine for

other things where the germ is NOT so hidden and protected against the elements

of the protocol.

bG

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protocals and would only consider his opinions. What I try to do myself is

search for clinical studies that have been done. Most of us rely only on

empirical evidence from testimonies which is fine since these protocals do no

harm.

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Is this guy still alive.?

How is he doing? I read the link, but could not tell what his current status is,

kind of hard to follow all yous guys posts back and forth.

rj

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protocals and would only consider his opinions. What I try to do myself is

search for clinical studies that have been done. Most of us rely only on

empirical evidence from testimonies which is fine since these protocals do no

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Don't know, he gave up beck protocol and the meds to explore other things. If

he stays off meds, chances are he will be back to beck's protocol to fight off

opportunistic infections with his low tcell count. If the body were to stop

making cd4-t cells, HIV might not be able to live, but it's a flawed idea to let

them drop to near-zero, the body would be making tens of billions of them every

day and HIV would be killing all of them if the tcell count drops that low. The

one person who actually was cured, the Berlin Patient, lost all of his immune

system by radiation and had it replaced from a donor who was HIV immune. So

apparently the t cells are the ones HIV needs in order to remain viable in the

body. As long as you have an immune system of some kind that works, whether

it's yours, Beck's, or some donor's, you can be healthy, it would appear. If I

had HIV I'd use Beck's protocol modified to attack HIV in the gut, in addition

to trying some of the more exotic silvers along with homemade fine grain

stuff..and the meds. There are people who got off meds and at least temporarily

got better some years ago. The meds have had stages of development where they

were much more toxic than today, although none of them are benign. There's been

a lot of progress. So getting a tolerable med is more possible, and along with

the modified-beck protocol, it might be possible to reduce dosage, or use milder

meds. Just some ideas. We are close to HIV vaccines, treatments, and even

immunity through genetic engineering. The latter is becoming commercially

scalable so affordable. Imagine having your own, not from a donor, your own

Tcells that are HIV immune. It's been done on small scale by Sangamo

Biosciences. Gates is funding a study to do it in vivo, without involving

incubation in a lab setting, right inside your own body. They have done it

using an incubation in a lab for about 8 people successfully, now expanding to

around 50 to cover all types of HIV stages of infection. No drugs need be used,

such as to cover immune rejection, since it is your own cells.

bG

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protocals and would only consider his opinions. What I try to do myself is

search for clinical studies that have been done. Most of us rely only on

empirical evidence from testimonies which is fine since these protocals do no

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