Re: Re: Colloidal silver and kidney infection

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Dear "N" (nevillemunn@...?)...

Just read your entire dialogue. Great. But I do have a question - At 80 years old, I do not have the equipment/items needed or the car

to go shopping for them - so I must get them delivered from the health food store. What is the difference between the amber-colored colloidal silver and the clear colloidal silver?

Thank you for your time and consideration. Irene. idannolfo@...

Re: Colloidal silver and kidney infection

Gotta come in here and cop whatever flak comes my way.

At the end of the day one must form some of their own determinations on the many and varied forms of this stuff.

Ignoring all the hype and BS from the public domain, and I'm no academic or expert, but I reckon I've read just about all there is to read on this subject over several years which appears in the public domain {and what you wrote was one of them}.

Have you read what *actually* consitutes a colloidal solution?

In case you haven't, here's another statement from the public domain {although, from a more reputable source than product marketers I hasten to add} - "To be classed as a colloidal solution at least 50% of the solute *should* be in the form of colloids" - this is simply NOT the case with what is produced in the home, {and I suspect bought from the store either} and if it *were* available in the store I would like to see the laboratory analysis printed on that label stating ion/particle ratio, size of the largest particles, and the total Ag content in that bottle, and praps if it was produced using HVAC or LVDC method.

Without that report you won't have a clue as to what you've bought, and are simply relying on that manufacturers label. And if it was produced using LVDC then I seriously doubt a lab analysis would indicate the same ppm as written on the label? I know nothing about store bought products so ignore the above comment if you want.

Those who produce a silver solution using LVDC do not make this so called 'colloidal silver', they make a predominantly ionic silver solution. In that solution there will be atomic ion clusters {commonly referred to as 'particles'}. The term 'colloidal silver' has been used and abused over recent decades to mean practically anything which may have silver in it in *any* form.

'Colloidal silver' in most cases is a misnomer, and is a term which is out of date as it's not colloidal silver {by the above definition} that people produce in their homes using LVDC electrolysis.

Regarding your 250ppm stuff. You do know that anything over the solubility limit of silver in water will require some form of stabilizer to surround those particles keeping them suspended in that water? And because those particles are surrounded by that protein, bacteria can *still* survive in that protein surrounding that silver {literature is available in the public domain regarding this}...rather counter-productive in my book, and consequently should not be termed a 'health' product {opinion}. And I suspect those high ppm solutions contain powdered or ground silver bought in bulk from a supplier...Who knows?

If one approaches/exceeds the solubility limit of silver in water, plateout and/or settlement will in all likelyhood become evident over time in storage would it not?

The more learned can explain Van der Waals, Brownian motion and zeta potential.

I've been ingesting an amount of this stuff every day for several years and I can tell you that my visits to the 'rest room' for the purpose of ridding myself of waist water has never been so frequent since I began my ingestion of this stuff on a daily basis. My observed conclusion is that my kidneys etc are being flushed consistantly and I believe that can only be a *good* thing, annoying at times but still good, as my plumbing is kept in top operating condition and bug free, and possibly preventing any issues arising as I age.

Another of my determinations based on researched material and common sense...There is a vast difference between that which is termed a 'true' colloidal silver product and what is produced by LVDC, and going with that, there are differences in efficacy of each - dependant on the health issue one chooses to use either of the above for!

Some argue that an ion is still a colloid, well this may be so, but for defining a colloidal solution and an ionic/colloidal solution I prefer to keep a separation between the two definitions for the purpose of clarity in understanding the difference between the two, and what constitutes a 'colloidal solution'.

You mentioned 'colour', this is another arguement which abounds in the public domain. I don't care what 'colour' my solutions are {up to golden} - as long my solutions are totally transparent and crystal clear in appearance, and the water has an appearance of reflecting within itself {difficult to explain that}, and I don't see any plateout or fallout over time in storage, then I'm satisfied whatever silver there is in that water is held in suspension by zeta etc etc and *will* be perfectly bioavailable...regardless of particle size!

"...10ppm useless" - Well that would depend on what it's being used for {opinion}. High ppm does not necessarily mean more/better efficacy {as stated in a variety of literature}. If I am treating something of which I consider needs hitting hard and fast, I will produce a glass full and ensure it is consumed within 12-24 hours. This maximises the intake of positively electrically charged silver ions. For every hour after cessation of production, some of those + charged ions will be lost to ion clusters {and if I'm right, become neutral in charge} until a point of solution stability has been reached. For every + charged ion lost to cluster I believe some efficacy is lost also...again, dependant on what condition or health issue one is using it for.

For those who support the view that stomach acids and salts etc etc in the blood render ionic silver useless then I suggest searching for information regarding ammonias and peroxides within the body praps negating that supposition. This is an ongoing argument also, but I believe there is some truth to it even though reading material is in *extremely* short supply in the public domain. If you find any, other than that written by Stuart {sp?}, let me know.

So, if one wishes to use a predominantly ionic solution, they can, if they prefer to use a more particulate solution, they can do that too...but you *can't* do that with what's bought over the counter!

I've researched this stuff practically to death over my several years involvement, but at the end of the day, and failing applicable published material for answers to some of my questions, I consider I'm forced to make some of my own decisions and form some of my own determinations on several aspects of this stuff, even to the point of quietly disagreeing with some, hence I can be considered a black sheep...I am not a follower of a flock if I think they are not going in the right direction.

In conclusion: If you were referring to stuff produced by HVAC, then just ignore me as I know nothing about HVAC stuff, and excuse my rather forward interruption and rant. Make believe I'm not here and you never heard from me <grin>. And I don't understand the source of your problem anyway so you can tell me to 'bug off' if ya want.

N.

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> > > > *Hi All:

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> > > > > > *Bob Beck believed that garlic was poisonous and he warned the

> > same on several occasions not to combine it with his device. Was

> > he correct? Apparently, we all disobeyed him and survive :0) but

> > still use his machine.

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> > > > > > *It could have been just his own physiology that rejected garlic.

> > He was not an ordinary guy. Just look at him in the videos. He

> > had just lost a great deal of weight quickly as a result of using

> > his device and his wild, strange looking hair grew back in. He

> > liked it, but I think I would rather be bald, given the choice.

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> > Regards,

> > Jim*

> > > > > > > > Posted by: "DuncanCrow" duncancrow@

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> > DuncanCrow <DuncanCrow>

> > > > > > Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:13 am (PST)

> > > > > > > > I saw Dr. Beck's garlic comment on video years ago but it didn't scare > > me and I and my wife still eat garlic nearly every day. Never noticed > > brain fog.

> > > > all good,

> > > > Duncan

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Just wondering how you use the microwave to make CS?Sent from my iPhoneOn 2011-02-18, at 10:19 PM, "DuncanCrow" <duncancrow@...> wrote:

I make colloidal silver using something between HVAC and LVDC, specifically 3600 volts pulsed DC. I don't call 3600 volts particularly low or high so it seems to be a new breed, and it seems, one that enjoys the best of both theories. It does not produce an arc as the electrodes are wet. My simple conversion of a retired microwave oven is capable of continual production of 2 quarts per minute minimum with in and out trickle hoses. I still use the batch method and make it pretty strong, ca. 40 PPM.

all good,

Duncan

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> the user is unable to choose between a product that is high in positively charged silver ions over a product which would be more particulate in nature.

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Thank you Duncan!Sent from my iPhoneOn 2011-02-19, at 5:57 PM, "DuncanCrow" <duncancrow@...> wrote:

I bypass the microwave's impeller and use just the power supply and safeties. I posted the general method for rewiring the dangerous microwave circuit here:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html

all good,

Duncan

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> Just wondering how you use the microwave to make CS?

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