Silver Sol (American Biotech Labs)

[Guest guest]

Has anyone tried this for internal infections, such as HIV, Hep-A,B,C, Lyme's?

They are hinting that it remains active in the body while colloidal silver is

less so, if at all, against such diseases. They offer little solid evidence, so

don't run out and buy a carload of it.

But it is a different molecular arrangement, according to them, which offers the

ability to re-use the particles on multiple microbes, whereas normal CS becomes

inert once it kills one microbe by electron-exchange. Their product, it is

claimed, has catalytic properties, meaning it can facilitate a reaction while

" recharging " itself over and over.

They are also saying it can remain active in presence of a lot of organic

material, meaning in the body it can still act against germs, while CS tends to

degrade. It is known that ionic silver (the majority of the CS made in homes)

degrades in blood in under 8 seconds, so is not useful except for local external

infections, burns, inhaled for pneumonias, etc. But internally it either breaks

down into silver chloride a white insoluble powder in the stomach, or else

quickly breaks down in the blood or other fluids.

Also, they are claiming, vehemently in fact, that it cannot cause argyria by

accumulating in tissue, due to the different molecular composition for one

thing, and also the much lower dosage needed for this product avoiding the

critical amounts of silver needed to cause it.

Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " , if anyone

has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs such as

the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

bG

[Guest guest]

" They offer little solid evidence " ... I noticed that. The silver community

seems to agree that all the silver compounds work if you vary the dose or the

manufacturing method and homemade is pretty cheap. I use 4000 volts pulsed DC so

the particles are pretty small.

I'll let you know how my PCR came out; I've not really been focusing on my Hep C

as an issue.

Re-using silver many times is a property of the cheapest silver and peroxide

they use in potable water treatment. It's in the industry literature. I don't

have to tell you they don't buy a name brand for it or for sewage treatment

either.

The fact the cheapest homemade CS has saved lives kinda undermines several of

the marketing statements dontcha think?

Buddy by the name of Bill Woollam has a web page on how nanosilver cured his

herpes. Gooogle " bill woollam " herpes. That would be as systemic as they come

all good,

Duncan

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> Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " , if

anyone has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs

such as the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

>

> bG

>

[Guest guest]

Can I come in here with a question?

You say your " 4000VDC produces particles pretty small " , are they actual metallic

particles of silver? Which would then be accurately termed a 'colloidal silver'

product.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the only way to produce actual metallic silver

particles in solution is by the HVAC arc discharge method...Yes/No?

Praps you could clarify for me?

N.

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> > Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " , if

anyone has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs

such as the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

> >

> > bG

> >

>

[Guest guest]

for 200 you can buy a unit, the sg6 from silvergen that makes 85percent ionic,

and 15percent metallic silver in .001-.005 micrometers, which is in the 1-5

nano- size, very uniform very clear super sharp CS. I have used the machine for

10 years now, I like it.

However, CS has failed to live up to expectations for anything internal aside

from some food poisoning. By now, with all the stuff on the shelves people with

hepatitis at least, if not HIV would have been tempted to try it and would have

seen improvements...though some have seen them, in a year, they tend to reverse

and get even worse, meaning something else is at work, like the immune system

rallying and and then resting, creating a roller-coaster in the numbers that

doctors refer to as the " set point " . In order to test it right, you have to

spend a few years seeing the set point rise. Symptoms can improve due to

killing of opportunistic infection, but once that has happened, then you don't

find the set point shift you are looking for in your numbers. The variances in

the numbers are often so wide that people really think this time they have cured

it, or at least controlled it well...then in the next report it's back worse

than ever sometimes.

Beck's later words on HIV said that your numbers may or may not improve as the

role of HIV in AIDS is still controversial, but your symptoms will improve. I

believe the symptoms part, and that is a miracle by itself. But the statement

is odd in that the protocol aims at the virus by inactivating it. Those are the

numbers. So if anything, the numbers should improve, but the symptoms may not.

He says the reverse, which is does not follow from the science of the protocol.

What I think is happening, is we have a protocol that can disable opportunistic

infections and also the virus. But it can reach the infections better than it

can reach the virus.

I still have a dream of a wetsuit with sponges glued inside over all the

lmyphatic tissue, nodes, Peyer's patches, groin, underarms, under chin, spleen

and thymus glad, so that the virus which has seeded these cells can be removed.

It is in these areas where virus kills off T-cells by the tens of billions per

day. The blood alone has only 2% of the virus in the body. It is only used as

a marker, and removing all of it, to " undetectable " does not reveal the real

situation. So we don't have a fully updated Beck protocol, and we need one.

I'm suprised the adherence to the failed one, despite the ease of making the

small improvements that could make it fully workable for HIV.

There is one more rather ominous fact I hate to mention, but I wrote to Bill

Gates about the Einstein HIV study, the basis of Beck's protocol. He said that

he himself thought it must be wrong but would send it to some experts for their

feedback. A few hours later he wrote me back saying the experts he had

consulted said it was not valid.

I have used the same dc current used in that study on colds and it sure works

great! So why not HIV? I dunno, he did not explain why they thought it was not

valid.

I then wrote to Dr. Mullins of Mullins HIV lab at University of WA. He said

" thanks. Many things inactivate the virus, unfortunately all of them are

cytotoxic " I then provided the study of safety, showing the cells lived LONGER

when electrified than when not, at the same levels that inactivated the virus!

He did not write me back, maybe thinking this was a ruse or somethin... who

knows.

But there you have it...two different experts (maybe) saying what appear to be

contradictory things on HIV and DC current. Whatta SNAFU!

bG

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> > > Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " , if

anyone has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs

such as the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

> > >

> > > bG

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have written them about their CS surviving stomach acid and staying active in

bloodstream. For the cost, if I had hep-c, Duncan, I'd try this out, maybe

using a nebulizer and possibly intravenously.

Their mention was the same as my study of DC current and hep-c, they got a

couple of full remissions using the drugs at very low doses plus their CS. In

my study one person used the drugs and dc current. No mention of the drug dose.

He got to full remission, which by itself is not remarkable, since the rate is

25 percent full remissions. HOWEVER, the TIME to full remission was shortened

by about 200 percent. His doctor was STUNNED by his rapid recovery.

Others saw better RNA, down 99 percent in 15 weeks with strong dc current just

on one wrist. So it could be possible, using more dc all over the body, to get

viral load to undetectable with hep-c. Using this new cs along with that, you

might get a similar result to the drugs plus the DC, using the " new fangled " CS

and the DC ?? IT would definitely be a fun and easy project..

bG

> >

> > Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " , if

anyone has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs

such as the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

> >

> > bG

> >

>

[Guest guest]

note: the person who got the 99 percent reduction in RNA strand count had used

the 4 hertz device an hour a day for a full year prior but was not able to get

it below 2,200,000 count. When dc was substituted for an hour a day, things

went down crazy fast after 6 weeks' usage. During the first 6 weeks he had a

blood test which showed only a minor drop. At 6 weeks the test showed a huge

drop, and from there, even bigger drops. No test showed any increases. This was

a very solid run.

bG

> > >

> > > Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " , if

anyone has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs

such as the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

> > >

> > > bG

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi N; there's very little Tyndall effect in the CS made with the microwave oven

circuit, so the particles are small enough they don't refract light much. There

are no sparklers and the solution is clear at around 40 PPM. Tainting it will

trigger it, turn it gold or even grey and plate the inside of the jar.

I think nobody knows the answer to your question on whether the only way to make

silver particles is the HVAC arc method or whether particles are better; all we

have is marketing speak around that. To my knowledge no-one has analysed the

4000 volt DC except to duplicate the experiment enough to get a PPM silver

reading. I think because it's saved lives, even in hospital-documented

drug-resistant infection, the outcome of efficacy is enough, but I'd like to

know that answer too.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " , if

anyone has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs

such as the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

> > >

> > > bG

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

particles and ionic both work but in different ways. for example, HIV, the

metallic particles, if they are .001-.010 size can plug the HIV attachment areas

so the virus becomes unable to attach to host cells. Ionic CS can kill

pathogens by electronic means. But ionic only lasts about 8 seconds in the

blood, and then becomes inert. It does not change into particles, but a

compound like silver chloride an inert white powder, harmless to germs.

the silvergen sg6 makes CS that is about 85 percent ionic, 15 percent particles.

bG

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> Hi N; there's very little Tyndall effect in the CS made with the microwave

oven circuit, so the particles are small enough they don't refract light much.

There are no sparklers and the solution is clear at around 40 PPM. Tainting it

will trigger it, turn it gold or even grey and plate the inside of the jar.

>

> I think nobody knows the answer to your question on whether the only way to

make silver particles is the HVAC arc method or whether particles are better;

all we have is marketing speak around that. To my knowledge no-one has analysed

the 4000 volt DC except to duplicate the experiment enough to get a PPM silver

reading. I think because it's saved lives, even in hospital-documented

drug-resistant infection, the outcome of efficacy is enough, but I'd like to

know that answer too.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

, if you join the silver community you'd see everybody's home-made CS is

working, and there may not be a " best " form.

The marketing speak may have some element of truth, but an element isn't the

whole truth IMO.

Silver is not supposed to stay in problem tissues at all at nano-particle and

ionic doses; to our knowledge it's never happened with properly made EIS. 90% of

the small particulate and ionic silver is excreted in the first 24 hours.

Not sure about HepC treatment; I'll find out about my own quantitative PCR in a

week or so. I don't use much CS so it'll be interesting to find out; I'm not

sick and my liver panel is normal.

all good,

Duncan

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> Duncan,

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> I have a few questions;

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>

>

> . Then what is the best form/type of silver?

>

> . Can or should it be used to fight Hep C

>

> . Does the silver really stay in the tissue that may cause problems?

> (you would think that it might)

>

> . Where do I get the best silver out there?

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm thinking that the higher voltages produce smaller particles. I don't see the

silver coming off the electrode like smoke or making gold colour EIS with the

3600-4000 volts pulsed DC even with the large electrode, that you do with the

low power homemade units.

all good,

Duncan

>

> particles and ionic both work but in different ways. for example, HIV, the

metallic particles, if they are .001-.010 size can plug the HIV attachment areas

so the virus becomes unable to attach to host cells. Ionic CS can kill

pathogens by electronic means. But ionic only lasts about 8 seconds in the

blood, and then becomes inert. It does not change into particles, but a

compound like silver chloride an inert white powder, harmless to germs.

>

> the silvergen sg6 makes CS that is about 85 percent ionic, 15 percent

particles.

>

> bG

>

[Guest guest]

it may, but the silvergen.com site shows very close results with both HVAC and

their silvergen sg6. .001-.005 is the sizes, very fine indeed. The stuff I

make at around 5ppm is clear, and I can go up higher to around 15 or more still

very crisp and clear. Effective at all concentrations. The way it's done is

using a flat thin strip of silver instead of round wire. The surface sheds

finer particles, and there is a stirring rod to help prevent agglomeration, the

rod is automatic running all the time by small motor in the unit. It is

constant-current, and has auto-shutoff when it reaches the ppm you can dial in.

it is not exact, but it's definitely close enough.

bG

> >

> > particles and ionic both work but in different ways. for example, HIV, the

metallic particles, if they are .001-.010 size can plug the HIV attachment areas

so the virus becomes unable to attach to host cells. Ionic CS can kill

pathogens by electronic means. But ionic only lasts about 8 seconds in the

blood, and then becomes inert. It does not change into particles, but a

compound like silver chloride an inert white powder, harmless to germs.

> >

> > the silvergen sg6 makes CS that is about 85 percent ionic, 15 percent

particles.

> >

> > bG

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Duncan.

I think there is so much spoken about ions and particles out there that the

truth can get confusing - for me in particular. I have to keep reminding myself

that Ions are the smallest 'matter' can be reduced to before that 'matter' loses

its identity, which means ions would still be classified as particles, and ion

clustering creates larger particles. The amount of clustering would determine

the size of those particles. Praps HV reduces the amount of ion clustering?

I'm not familiar with HVAC/DC process, just thought I'd ask the question that's

all.

N.

> > > >

> > > > Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " ,

if anyone has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs

such as the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

> > > >

> > > > bG

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah bG I also use a flat wide electrode, about 1.25 " wide and about 5 " long

give or take. I was going to try it with wires but current density came up on

the silverlist; some engineers said I'd be blasting off chunks of wire at 4000

volts and I didn't large particles. I don't limit the current but I limit time;

the unit makes a 15 PPM quart in 30 seconds but I usually run a 2 qt batch for 3

minutes for around 40 PPM. Dose response is very good and no, it's not exact.

all good,

Duncan

>

> it may, but the silvergen.com site shows very close results with both HVAC and

their silvergen sg6. .001-.005 is the sizes, very fine indeed. The stuff I

make at around 5ppm is clear, and I can go up higher to around 15 or more still

very crisp and clear. Effective at all concentrations. The way it's done is

using a flat thin strip of silver instead of round wire. The surface sheds

finer particles, and there is a stirring rod to help prevent agglomeration, the

rod is automatic running all the time by small motor in the unit. It is

constant-current, and has auto-shutoff when it reaches the ppm you can dial in.

it is not exact, but it's definitely close enough.

>

> bG

>

[Guest guest]

Agreed.

If you have the equipment to produce it yourself, you have the best of both

worlds.

You can choose to ingest/apply a solution that is highest in Ag+ ion content

immediately after cessation of the brewing process {tissue regeneration}, or you

can store it for a while allowing a percentage of those Ag+ ions to form ionic

clusters/particles {antibacterial and infection preventer}.

That's my philosophy with this stuff, I choose which preparation to use -

circumstance dependant.

USA's FDA, and our TGA cannot produce any information from their files

indicating any untoward effects to humans of the stuff we produce. With our TGA

all they can quote is a picture of some woman who turned blue {and I cannot find

that picture *anywhere* on their website by the way, but assume it's that

antiquated Rosemary s case} and information they get from the...wait for

it...INTERNET??? How authorative and/or accurate is *that* information???

<shaking and slapping head in bemusement of their sources of information for

their decision making process>.

N.

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> > Duncan,

> >

> >

> >

> > I have a few questions;

> >

> >

> >

> > . Then what is the best form/type of silver?

> >

> > . Can or should it be used to fight Hep C

> >

> > . Does the silver really stay in the tissue that may cause problems?

> > (you would think that it might)

> >

> > . Where do I get the best silver out there?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I believe Stuart Thomson of GAIA Research has his own hypothesis regarding

chloride rendering ionic colloidal silver ineffective. Until further

information is found/researched to the contrary, I am of the opinion that what

he states on the subject may have merit.

Whilst I'm no chemist or expert in the field, I do think there is something to

be considered in what he states about ammonia negating that chloride business.

I believe we all have an amount of Peroxide within us as well, but am unable to

find any articles indicating what HP does to aforementioned silver product

within the body/blood either.

I'll reserve my judgement until I can find further information which could

influence me against his hypothesis and/or what effect HP has on ionic colloidal

silver in the blood.

If anyone knows of any material available in the public domain regarding ammonia

and/or Hydrogen Peroxide *within* the human body and what effect either have, or

may have, on ionic colloidal silver after consumption, I'd certainly be glad to

hear of it.

N.

> >

> > Hi N; there's very little Tyndall effect in the CS made with the microwave

oven circuit, so the particles are small enough they don't refract light much.

There are no sparklers and the solution is clear at around 40 PPM. Tainting it

will trigger it, turn it gold or even grey and plate the inside of the jar.

> >

> > I think nobody knows the answer to your question on whether the only way to

make silver particles is the HVAC arc method or whether particles are better;

all we have is marketing speak around that. To my knowledge no-one has analysed

the 4000 volt DC except to duplicate the experiment enough to get a PPM silver

reading. I think because it's saved lives, even in hospital-documented

drug-resistant infection, the outcome of efficacy is enough, but I'd like to

know that answer too.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've read more and more about them, watched videos, etc with the vice president,

now the president I guess, Moeller. They are seeking and getting lab work

done in various labs, not just one.

The human studies of course is a much-steeper project than in vitro lab studies.

If what they say about the molecular structure of their product is true, then it

might have a better chance to enter the body more broadly than CS does. That's

very important or it won't reach the areas needed.

I am impressed with them. Sure, their HIV study shows only 7 cases, all of

which had 25% increases in CD4 counts over 4 months. The good part is they all

saw increases. The caution with HIV is the immune system can rally and obscure

the results. 4 months later with treatment continuing the Cd4 goes back lower

than when started! This is the sad thing about the research, it is clouded

always by the see-sawing between a new round of antibodies, and a new viral

strain. Almost anything can trigger immune response and lower the viral load

temporarily. I've even heard of a vacation raising Cd4 count. It will take

years to see if the overall trend in the set point has changed. So their test

is not conclusive..at all. On the bright side, they ALL had an increase, even

though none of the subjects was in the AIDS category. Their lowest cd4 count

was only about 350. AIDS patients are below 200. So none of the subjects would

need medications, for example.

But...you have to say this: at least they have put their data up there. Beck

did not show any of his data, not even plain numbers without names. So this is

more info than we have ever had. They did not give viral load, since it is more

expensive to test for that, and this was a pilot study, they said. They only

did Cd4 counts.

It is time for someone to start a Silver Sol discussion list for various things

and get people's human feedback with their experiences. That's the only missing

piece of what may turn out to be a great thing..

bG

> >

> > Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " , if

anyone has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs

such as the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

> >

> > bG

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I did not hear any answer, even a non-committal from the silver-sol place I

mailed.

bG

>

> Has anyone tried this for internal infections, such as HIV, Hep-A,B,C, Lyme's?

>

> They are hinting that it remains active in the body while colloidal silver is

less so, if at all, against such diseases. They offer little solid evidence, so

don't run out and buy a carload of it.

>

> But it is a different molecular arrangement, according to them, which offers

the ability to re-use the particles on multiple microbes, whereas normal CS

becomes inert once it kills one microbe by electron-exchange. Their product, it

is claimed, has catalytic properties, meaning it can facilitate a reaction while

" recharging " itself over and over.

>

> They are also saying it can remain active in presence of a lot of organic

material, meaning in the body it can still act against germs, while CS tends to

degrade. It is known that ionic silver (the majority of the CS made in homes)

degrades in blood in under 8 seconds, so is not useful except for local external

infections, burns, inhaled for pneumonias, etc. But internally it either breaks

down into silver chloride a white insoluble powder in the stomach, or else

quickly breaks down in the blood or other fluids.

>

> Also, they are claiming, vehemently in fact, that it cannot cause argyria by

accumulating in tissue, due to the different molecular composition for one

thing, and also the much lower dosage needed for this product avoiding the

critical amounts of silver needed to cause it.

>

> Would appreciate any feedback from users of this " new-fangled silver " , if

anyone has used it or knows of reports of people using it for internal germs

such as the above. Systemic infections are the last holdout..

>

> bG

>