Re: weighing risks of blood electirication

October 7, 2011

I have similar considerations in regard to using Rife/Beck etc.

devices. One of the main reasons I got more interested in this

was because of the interview in regard to using a Zapper

to get rid of EXTREME Lyme symptoms including massive pain etc.

I think there are some people on this forum that actually have

extremely comprehensive blood tests done that show changes in

or not of at least 100 variables including White Blood Cell count

viral load, etc. The obvious problem is the money aspect in regard

to greed and actual science being done. My only experience so far is

using a zapper and a function generator for Zapping and Rife frequencies. Big

difference here is I am only doing the 7minutes on

20 off. If I am not mistaken the Beck device is sometimes used for hours and at

4HZ with a fairly high amperage.

T

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and it's

helping me.

>

> However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

>

> I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the blood

electrification device:

>

> -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know

this is explained as moving out the

>

> -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

>

> -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which to

me suggests that it might cause dependence.

>

> -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you

might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

>

> I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune system,

even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

>

> This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

>

> Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could stop

needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be able to

do it themselves.

>

> Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with a

blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. " Putting

a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating whether

it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an alternate

method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about ---

>

> I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

>

> I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

>

> -

>

October 7, 2011

Do you mind letting me know what that protocol is for Rife's/Beck's lime disease analysis. There should be a code or similar device to support this.ruthOn Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:21 PM, pyfg <pyfg@...> wrote:

I have similar considerations in regard to using Rife/Beck etc.

devices. One of the main reasons I got more interested in this

was because of the interview in regard to using a Zapper

to get rid of EXTREME Lyme symptoms including massive pain etc.

I think there are some people on this forum that actually have

extremely comprehensive blood tests done that show changes in

or not of at least 100 variables including White Blood Cell count

viral load, etc. The obvious problem is the money aspect in regard

to greed and actual science being done. My only experience so far is

using a zapper and a function generator for Zapping and Rife frequencies. Big difference here is I am only doing the 7minutes on

20 off. If I am not mistaken the Beck device is sometimes used for hours and at 4HZ with a fairly high amperage.

T

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and it's helping me.

>

> However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

>

> I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the blood electrification device:

>

> -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know this is explained as moving out the

>

> -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

>

> -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

>

> -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

>

> I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

>

> This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants, low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I get worried that it might induce dependence.

>

> Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be able to do it themselves.

>

> Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about ---

>

> I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or cancer.

>

> I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

>

> -

>

--

“The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.” ~ H. L. Mencke

" Hungry " -- I am a Christ - “Gaze into faces, get behind eyes. From so many places, fed so many lies. All satiated, starving for more. Emaciated, nauseating encore. Imbalanced heavy scales; bearing unjust weight, all who control must fail, policy is bait. Only one more swallow; deep, filthy well. Thirst always follows hunger’s dinner bell. And so we take the mark; clones stamped in red, sheep left in the dark, bones bleached and bled. But still I will fight and rage defying gravity; incarcerated in this cage, I choose to be free. For I will not surrender; I will not kneel, to the Great Pretenders, serving the next meal.

October 7, 2011

Hi ,

I don't know the science behind it but I think some people will continue using

the Beck protocol depending on their illness. I have cfs and actually just

heard a statement stating if one gets it after the age of 30, they will pretty

much be sick for the rest of their life. With that in mind, I think people will

have to be deligient in whatever program works for them.

I heard of one woman with lymes recovered using the salt/c protocol and thinking

she was cured went off it only to have symptoms return. She went back on the

salt/c and is doing well. So I'm thinking depending on the illness might play

into staying on any given protocol.

If you are concerned about using the pulser and the ozone is working for you,

then maybe that would be the way you want to go. I personally don't think the

Beck protocol is dangerous, but you have to feel good about your own decision.

btw, people do continue using ozone after recovery. I've even asked some why

because I felt like if cured, why the need. They said, " why not? " Their

thinking is as long as we live in a toxin world, we will need to take measures

to cleanse on a continued base.

Hope you have continued success.

Gail

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and it's

helping me.

>

> However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

>

> I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the blood

electrification device:

>

> -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know

this is explained as moving out the

>

> -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

>

> -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which to

me suggests that it might cause dependence.

>

> -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you

might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

>

> I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune system,

even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

>

> This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

>

> Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could stop

needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be able to

do it themselves.

>

> Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with a

blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. " Putting

a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating whether

it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an alternate

method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about ---

>

> I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

>

> I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

>

> -

>

October 8, 2011

http://phiyakushi.com/miracles/2010/05/16/karen-allen-lyme-disease/

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

> > it's helping me.

> > >

> > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling

> > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > >

> > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

> > blood electrification device:

> > >

> > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > know this is explained as moving out the

> > >

> > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

> > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

> > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > >

> > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> > >

> > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

> > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so

> > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > >

> > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

> > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

> > be able to do it themselves.

> > >

> > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

> > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and

> > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now

> > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different

> > testimonials about ---

> > >

> > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which

> > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear

> > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems

> > like Lyme or cancer.

> > >

> > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

> --

>

> *

> ** " The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to

> think things out for himself. " ** ~ H. L. Mencke

> **

> *

>

> " Hungry " -- I am a Christ -

>

> " Gaze into faces, get behind eyes. From so many places, fed so many lies.

> All satiated, starving for more. Emaciated, nauseating

> encore. Imbalanced heavy scales; bearing unjust weight, all who control

> must fail, policy is bait. Only one more swallow; deep, filthy well.

> Thirst always follows hunger's dinner bell. And so we take the

> mark; clones stamped in red, sheep left in the dark, bones bleached and

> bled. But still I will fight and rage defying gravity; incarcerated in

> this cage, I choose to be free. For I will not surrender; I will not

> kneel, to the Great Pretenders, serving the next meal.

> *

>

> *

>

October 8, 2011

in running my group with over 4000 members for 10 years we have not seen

problems with blood electrification. and we have all sorts of devices and all

sorts of adventurous people, including me, who despite the learning curve did

not have serious problems of any sort. I won't offer science, but just note

that experience for you. The science is said it was harmless and we found it

was indeed harmless. if you hear of problems please post about it, but i would

guess the outcome will be that something else was involved and the problem was

temporary, unserious, or other situation, not blood electrification in origin.

beck used it 2 hours a day for years, for example. I myself used it 2 hours at

a couple of milliamps DC and got skin burns since that is way way too high.

They healed and there was no other effect. medical people are using a LOT more

current than blood electrifiers use and they too report no effects worth

mentioning.

Ozone is something I would look into risk/benefit to be sure you are ok there,

and get both sides of that story. I have not done so, leave that up to you.

Best of luck with the Lyme's.

bG

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and it's

helping me.

>

> However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

>

> I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the blood

electrification device:

>

> -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know

this is explained as moving out the

>

> -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

>

> -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which to

me suggests that it might cause dependence.

>

> -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you

might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

>

> I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune system,

even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

>

> This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

>

> Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could stop

needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be able to

do it themselves.

>

> Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with a

blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. " Putting

a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating whether

it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an alternate

method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about ---

>

> I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

>

> I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

>

> -

>

October 8, 2011

Thanks for the reply.So you are aware of people who use this for whatever reason then STOP using it and are fine not using it, and can just forget about it after they've used it for whatever purpose they initially sought it?

I'm not worried about any noticeable harm while using it - I'm just worried about the pattern of people using it long-term. Do you use it every day?On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:45 PM, baby_grand <b7494@...> wrote:

in running my group with over 4000 members for 10 years we have not seen problems with blood electrification. and we have all sorts of devices and all sorts of adventurous people, including me, who despite the learning curve did not have serious problems of any sort. I won't offer science, but just note that experience for you. The science is said it was harmless and we found it was indeed harmless. if you hear of problems please post about it, but i would guess the outcome will be that something else was involved and the problem was temporary, unserious, or other situation, not blood electrification in origin. beck used it 2 hours a day for years, for example. I myself used it 2 hours at a couple of milliamps DC and got skin burns since that is way way too high. They healed and there was no other effect. medical people are using a LOT more current than blood electrifiers use and they too report no effects worth mentioning.

Ozone is something I would look into risk/benefit to be sure you are ok there, and get both sides of that story. I have not done so, leave that up to you. Best of luck with the Lyme's.

bG

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and it's helping me.

>

> However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

>

> I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the blood electrification device:

>

> -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know this is explained as moving out the

>

> -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

>

> -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

>

> -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

>

> I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

>

> This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants, low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I get worried that it might induce dependence.

>

> Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be able to do it themselves.

>

> Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about ---

>

> I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or cancer.

>

> I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

>

> -

>

October 8, 2011

4000 members for 10 years pretty much says it all.

I have listened to some radio interviews with Beck and he

seemed extremely down to earth and knowledgeable in regard to using

electricity and specifically the 4HZ device to kill virus/bacteria/parasites. My

only experience so far is using a zapper

and my frequency generator set at 30KHZ as a zapper. Have only been doing this

for a few weeks and definitely seems to be having

an effect VERY similar to taking large doses of Wormwood/Black Walnut tincture.

One great effect was a definite increase in energy level

off and on.

Just to look at this in perspective only have to look at the EXTREME

side effects of medications that are being used by millions and if you really

want a dose of reality just walk through a chemo or radiation

clinic.

T

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

it's helping me.

> >

> > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> >

> > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

blood electrification device:

> >

> > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know

this is explained as moving out the

> >

> > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> >

> > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which

to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> >

> > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you

might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> >

> > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> >

> > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

> >

> > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be

able to do it themselves.

> >

> > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with

a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. "

Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating

whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an

alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about

---

> >

> > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

> >

> > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> >

> > -

> >

>

October 8, 2011

I use it when my conscience nags me about keeping plaque off my teeth usually,

and that is pretty rarely. Once every few months or so. I have used it daily,

weekly, monthy and yearly. I have never had bad effects. Using daily with DC

current is very strong. I would get the runs or a headache that would appear 3

days after using it, then go away in 2 days. It was not serious, more humorous

to me. It could have been 2 things:

1. die off of germs

2. some chemical effect that my liver needed to learn to process

I think it was the former, and the effects have been long-lasting. Using it

again intensively after long spells, even a year, I get few if any of these ugly

but benign effects anymore, so either my liver knows how to process them, or I'm

cleaner from germs overall. Who knows, but I have never been in fear of blood

electrification during or after use of it. And I don't know anyone who has had

ill effects.

One person had ill effects, but because he stopped his HIV meds for 2 years to

do it. He went from normal to near-Aids, which prompts me to echo the obvious:

if on meds that are working, stay on them. You should not see horrible

interractions with meds, but you try slowly and find out. Personally, it seems

to me if you have a situation where meds give you a partial result, like

controlling an HIV infection, keeping you alive but not cured, the using the

beck protocol or even just blood electrification (if can't afford the whole

thing, etc) would offer you a far far better chance than either meds alone or

beck alone. I have never heard of anyone actually doing that, so I mention it

as interesting. It sure worked on hep-c with meds along with blood electrifying,

he got cured fully in 30 days..which is completely unheard of, blew his doctor

away. Yet the other 12 or so people on my group refused to even think about

doing this, despite the example of how to do it right. After his 30 days, he

easily recovered from the meds and the hep-c. They are still sick, needing

liver transplants, etc. I wish I could wave a wand and they would wake up. But

they don't.

bG

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

> > it's helping me.

> > >

> > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling

> > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > >

> > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

> > blood electrification device:

> > >

> > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > know this is explained as moving out the

> > >

> > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

> > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

> > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > >

> > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> > >

> > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

> > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so

> > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > >

> > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

> > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

> > be able to do it themselves.

> > >

> > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

> > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and

> > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now

> > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different

> > testimonials about ---

> > >

> > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which

> > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear

> > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems

> > like Lyme or cancer.

> > >

> > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

October 8, 2011

well, my opinion on Lyme's is that antibiotics reach most of it but some remains

in brain and spinal area. Electrifying the blood while taking antibiotics would

be redundant. They will kill all bacteria in the blood anyway. But pads on the

spine and head area while also using antibiotics would provide seemingly

near-total coverage and might offer a chance for full removal of it.

electrifying blood goes so far. blood does not carry charge into other areas

unless you put electrodes on the areas where the germ resides so it can flow

through and alter them so they do not reproduce. having clean healthy blood is

good. it will not automatically then go on to remove infections everywhere like

nerves or gut linings, lymph, etc. forget magnetically pulsing areas to kill

germs. it does have the power level but not the duration, it's only a few

millionths of a second. But take some bacteria in a dish and try, if it kills

or retards their growth maybe then it's worth a try. It seems unlikely to me,

since the data from Einstein college of medicine said that not only a certain

power level, but also a time period was needed to inactivate virus. The

magnetic pulser only fires off a burst about every 5 seconds, and it only lasts

about 2.5 millionths of a second. You need 3-6 MINUTES of steady current to do

the job. My head hurts, so you do the math, please.

bG

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

it's helping me.

> > >

> > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > >

> > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

blood electrification device:

> > >

> > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know

this is explained as moving out the

> > >

> > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > >

> > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> > >

> > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > >

> > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be

able to do it themselves.

> > >

> > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. "

Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating

whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an

alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about

---

> > >

> > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

> > >

> > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

October 8, 2011

....also, I think overall the blood electrifying, after the first year or two of

fairly frequent usage, like a few days in a row for a month or so, maybe a few

days per month average, but fairly high power, using DC current (beck's type of

4 hertz device rarely if ever produced any dieoffs) I actually seemed to feel

healthier, got better gym workouts, less colds after workouts.

However, colds, and local infections still come along, and I used my own dc

devices directly on the location of these germs, so they clear up promptly.

Blood electrification never worked for colds, at least no in my own case. YMMV.

Cold germs live where there's little if any blood circulation in the mucous

membranes. But direct battery current on the spot was like magic.

It shows that electricity in the correct amounts, regardless of the type of

device, will work against germs if you place the power electrodes so the germs

are " part of the circuit or path " . It may or may not work by simply

electrifying blood if the germs are remote from the blood being electrified. I

have no idea why local placement of electrodes for simple infections was never

part of the beck protocol, but it easily can be done, no brainer.

bG

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

> > > it's helping me.

> > > >

> > > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling

> > > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > > >

> > > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

> > > blood electrification device:

> > > >

> > > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > > know this is explained as moving out the

> > > >

> > > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

> > > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

> > > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > > >

> > > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a

dependence.

> > > >

> > > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

> > > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If

so

> > > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > > >

> > > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we

could

> > > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

> > > be able to do it themselves.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

> > > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing,

and

> > > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now

> > > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different

> > > testimonials about ---

> > > >

> > > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which

> > > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear

> > > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute

problems

> > > like Lyme or cancer.

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 8, 2011

Thanks -- this is an interesting perspective about using blood electrification along with other treatments/medications.The ozone moderator says sure, go ahead and use blood electrification along with ozone, and according to him, ozone works by adding " electricity " to the body anyway. So I might combine these. I have not heard of anyone combining ozone and blood electrification before so I might track my responses and report.

Observation: Can blood electrification perhaps help with detoxification? I am starting on ozone and I'm having quite a bit of die-off. I tried using blood electrification for two hours and felt noticeably better during and after that... Could the electricity helps with detoxifying toxins?

I really don't know the science (I've been brain-fogged for years with Lyme) ... just trying to come up with the best Lyme protocol for my own case (I own bob beck protocol materials, doug coil machine, ozone generator and sauna).

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, baby_grand <b7494@...> wrote:

I use it when my conscience nags me about keeping plaque off my teeth usually, and that is pretty rarely. Once every few months or so. I have used it daily, weekly, monthy and yearly. I have never had bad effects. Using daily with DC current is very strong. I would get the runs or a headache that would appear 3 days after using it, then go away in 2 days. It was not serious, more humorous to me. It could have been 2 things:

1. die off of germs

2. some chemical effect that my liver needed to learn to process

I think it was the former, and the effects have been long-lasting. Using it again intensively after long spells, even a year, I get few if any of these ugly but benign effects anymore, so either my liver knows how to process them, or I'm cleaner from germs overall. Who knows, but I have never been in fear of blood electrification during or after use of it. And I don't know anyone who has had ill effects.

One person had ill effects, but because he stopped his HIV meds for 2 years to do it. He went from normal to near-Aids, which prompts me to echo the obvious: if on meds that are working, stay on them. You should not see horrible interractions with meds, but you try slowly and find out. Personally, it seems to me if you have a situation where meds give you a partial result, like controlling an HIV infection, keeping you alive but not cured, the using the beck protocol or even just blood electrification (if can't afford the whole thing, etc) would offer you a far far better chance than either meds alone or beck alone. I have never heard of anyone actually doing that, so I mention it as interesting. It sure worked on hep-c with meds along with blood electrifying, he got cured fully in 30 days..which is completely unheard of, blew his doctor away. Yet the other 12 or so people on my group refused to even think about doing this, despite the example of how to do it right. After his 30 days, he easily recovered from the meds and the hep-c. They are still sick, needing liver transplants, etc. I wish I could wave a wand and they would wake up. But they don't.

bG

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

> > it's helping me.

> > >

> > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling

> > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > >

> > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

> > blood electrification device:

> > >

> > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > know this is explained as moving out the

> > >

> > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

> > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

> > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > >

> > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> > >

> > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

> > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so

> > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > >

> > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

> > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

> > be able to do it themselves.

> > >

> > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

> > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and

> > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now

> > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different

> > testimonials about ---

> > >

> > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which

> > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear

> > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems

> > like Lyme or cancer.

> > >

> > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

October 8, 2011

I think you bring up what could be a major reason that people who use blood electrification for things like Lyme have to keep using it for a long time -- incomplete eradication of bacteria (since the blood electrification might not get to all the bones, linings, brain areas, etc.) ...

.... such that there are remaining infections that can re-seed the body and reinfect the blood when the person stops using the machine.It seems that clean blood is a start, but it's not a complete treatment for infections that affect the body in far-reaching areas, such as Lyme disease which goes basically everywhere.

I've seen one testimonial of someone getting over Lyme with the bob beck protocol proper (thanks pyfg for the link about the zapper Lyme testimonial) .. and she had to use the protocol for a year. I just have a hard time understanding how bob beck alone could solve Lyme, especially if there are a lot of " uncovered " areas (and the magnetic pulser can't be counted on to kill much at all).

I just ask because I know people using the bob beck protocol alone for Lyme disease, and it just doesn't seem complete to me.- - - On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:24 PM, baby_grand <b7494@...> wrote:

....also, I think overall the blood electrifying, after the first year or two of fairly frequent usage, like a few days in a row for a month or so, maybe a few days per month average, but fairly high power, using DC current (beck's type of 4 hertz device rarely if ever produced any dieoffs) I actually seemed to feel healthier, got better gym workouts, less colds after workouts.

However, colds, and local infections still come along, and I used my own dc devices directly on the location of these germs, so they clear up promptly. Blood electrification never worked for colds, at least no in my own case. YMMV. Cold germs live where there's little if any blood circulation in the mucous membranes. But direct battery current on the spot was like magic.

It shows that electricity in the correct amounts, regardless of the type of device, will work against germs if you place the power electrodes so the germs are " part of the circuit or path " . It may or may not work by simply electrifying blood if the germs are remote from the blood being electrified. I have no idea why local placement of electrodes for simple infections was never part of the beck protocol, but it easily can be done, no brainer.

bG

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

> > > it's helping me.

> > > >

> > > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling

> > > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > > >

> > > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

> > > blood electrification device:

> > > >

> > > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > > know this is explained as moving out the

> > > >

> > > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

> > > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

> > > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > > >

> > > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> > > >

> > > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

> > > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so

> > > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > > >

> > > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

> > > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

> > > be able to do it themselves.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

> > > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and

> > > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now

> > > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different

> > > testimonials about ---

> > > >

> > > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which

> > > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear

> > > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems

> > > like Lyme or cancer.

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 8, 2011

I definitely accept that blood electrification kills or disables microbes. And I might be happy using it along with other treatments that get at those other parts of the body. Since it does seem to do a great job of cleansing blood.

I just worry about some mechanism of dependence, beyond the one described above (incomplete eradication of bacteria).

Blood electrification seems to be a major change for the body... I don't

know the science, but it feels like it introduces some significant charge to the blood. I feel a major " let down " feeling when I stop a session. Could there possibly be damage to the electricity-dependent mechanisms of the immune system? or the normal electrical potentials in the body? The body might be mainly " electric " after all -- introducing these major charges might be a big deal if we think of the body as electric and not chemical.

Can electricity be " addictive " or dependence-forming, the same way that some medications can?

Note: I'm sure that all treatments that kill infections for you, in place of your immune system doing it, can be slightly dependence-forming, since you come to depend on something besides your immune system to kill bacteria and then who knows what happens when you stop the treatment. But among bob beck/blood electrification testimonials, I hear about 50% of people saying they continue to use it on a maintenance schedule, with many people reporting daily or weekly use for life (which scares me as a relatively new user), and I have not heard anyone say that about ozone. So that's why I'm curious about possible mechanisms of dependence, incomplete eradication, the former worrying me more than the

latter. If it's incomplete eradication I can just get the rest of the bugs with something else; if there's ANY mechanism of dependence/addiction to blood electrification then I'd rather not go there since I don't really need it, it's redundant.

-On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:54 AM, <monandreamichelle@...> wrote:

I think you bring up what could be a major reason that people who use blood electrification for things like Lyme have to keep using it for a long time -- incomplete eradication of bacteria (since the blood electrification might not get to all the bones, linings, brain areas, etc.) ...

.... such that there are remaining infections that can re-seed the body and reinfect the blood when the person stops using the machine.It seems that clean blood is a start, but it's not a complete treatment for infections that affect the body in far-reaching areas, such as Lyme disease which goes basically everywhere.

I've seen one testimonial of someone getting over Lyme with the bob beck protocol proper (thanks pyfg for the link about the zapper Lyme testimonial) .. and she had to use the protocol for a year. I just have a hard time understanding how bob beck alone could solve Lyme, especially if there are a lot of " uncovered " areas (and the magnetic pulser can't be counted on to kill much at all).

I just ask because I know people using the bob beck protocol alone for Lyme disease, and it just doesn't seem complete to me.- - - On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:24 PM, baby_grand <b7494@...> wrote:

....also, I think overall the blood electrifying, after the first year or two of fairly frequent usage, like a few days in a row for a month or so, maybe a few days per month average, but fairly high power, using DC current (beck's type of 4 hertz device rarely if ever produced any dieoffs) I actually seemed to feel healthier, got better gym workouts, less colds after workouts.

However, colds, and local infections still come along, and I used my own dc devices directly on the location of these germs, so they clear up promptly. Blood electrification never worked for colds, at least no in my own case. YMMV. Cold germs live where there's little if any blood circulation in the mucous membranes. But direct battery current on the spot was like magic.

It shows that electricity in the correct amounts, regardless of the type of device, will work against germs if you place the power electrodes so the germs are " part of the circuit or path " . It may or may not work by simply electrifying blood if the germs are remote from the blood being electrified. I have no idea why local placement of electrodes for simple infections was never part of the beck protocol, but it easily can be done, no brainer.

bG

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

> > > it's helping me.

> > > >

> > > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling

> > > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > > >

> > > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

> > > blood electrification device:

> > > >

> > > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > > know this is explained as moving out the

> > > >

> > > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

> > > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

> > > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > > >

> > > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> > > >

> > > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

> > > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so

> > > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > > >

> > > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

> > > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

> > > be able to do it themselves.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

> > > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and

> > > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now

> > > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different

> > > testimonials about ---

> > > >

> > > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which

> > > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear

> > > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems

> > > like Lyme or cancer.

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 9, 2011

Wow, I really do not see where you might have gotten your information from.

Responses below...

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and it's

helping me.

***Great.

>

> However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

>

> I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the blood

electrification device:

>

> -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know

this is explained as moving out the

***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood analysis

we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

>

> -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a compromised

immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY to ensure their

own immune system can " run on its own " .

>

> -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which to

me suggests that it might cause dependence.

***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this! On-going

maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the LONG TERM!

>

> -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you

might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

>

***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have a

very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it behooves

one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON IT for as long

as you want. :-)

> I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune system,

even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you getting

all this incorrect " info " ?

>

> This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

>

> Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could stop

needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be able to

do it themselves.

***Yes, that is what we see happening!

>

> Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with a

blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. " Putting

a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating whether

it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an alternate

method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about ---

***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

>

> I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

>

> I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what you

are mentioning here .

I hope this helps!

Russ

>

> -

>

October 9, 2011

Thanks for your reply. " ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY to ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " . " I am just mildly worried because I notice a high ratio of how much I hear that you need to stop blood electrification slowly, compared to how much I hear that about other treatments that kill pathogens or support the immune system.

I am not hearing this about other treatments - I don't hear " stop colloidal silver VERY SLOWLY " or " stop ozone/Maitake D fraction/andrographis VERY SLOWLY. " This is the only treatment of all those I've considered for Lyme that I hear must be stopped very slowly, tapering....

It's just worrisome to me and makes me think about dependence, since the major other treatments that I hear people have to stop very slowly (taper) are antidepressants which do seem to cause some kind of dependence.

" On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the LONG TERM! " I guess I am just worried about starting a slightly inconvenient treatment when as far as I can tell I might find myself needing to continue it for life.

There are other options out there for killing bacteria and improving the immune system that don't come with so many announcements about continuing the treatments for life or having to stop very slowly. I feel like this is a major issue --- why does it seem that so many people use blood electrification on a maintenance schedule, when you really don't hear that about other treatments that seem to achieve similar purposes? What is different about it?

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 6:21 PM, <russ@...> wrote:

Wow, I really do not see where you might have gotten your information from. Responses below...

>

> Hi,

>

> I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and it's helping me.

***Great.

>

> However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

>

> I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the blood electrification device:

>

> -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know this is explained as moving out the

***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

>

> -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY to ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " .

>

> -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this! On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the LONG TERM!

>

> -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

>

***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have a very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it behooves one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON IT for as long as you want. :-)

> I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you getting all this incorrect " info " ?

>

> This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants, low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I get worried that it might induce dependence.

***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

>

> Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be able to do it themselves.

***Yes, that is what we see happening!

>

> Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about ---

***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

>

> I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or cancer.

>

> I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what you are mentioning here .

I hope this helps!

Russ

>

> -

>

October 9, 2011

Hi Russ,

I wished I had continued but tought I had it beat. Live and learn.

btw, I ordered a silver pulser from you as mine is broken and want to start

pulsing again. Looking forwerd to starting up and this time I'm not going to

quit.

Gail

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

it's helping me.

>

> ***Great.

>

> >

> > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> >

> > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

blood electrification device:

> >

> > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know

this is explained as moving out the

>

> ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood

analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

>

> >

> > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

>

> ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a compromised

immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY to ensure their

own immune system can " run on its own " .

>

> >

> > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which

to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

>

> ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this! On-going

maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the LONG TERM!

>

> >

> > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you

might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> >

>

> ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have a

very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it behooves

one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON IT for as long

as you want. :-)

>

> > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

>

> ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you

getting all this incorrect " info " ?

>

> >

> > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

>

> ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

>

> >

> > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be

able to do it themselves.

>

> ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

>

> >

> > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with

a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. "

Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating

whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an

alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about

---

>

> ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

>

> >

> > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

> >

> > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

>

> ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what you

are mentioning here .

>

> I hope this helps!

> Russ

>

> >

> > -

> >

>

October 10, 2011

The main reasons for stopping and starting slowly have to do with:

1. People who have a compromised immune system and/or elimination pathway. With

the potential toxic die-off, we don't want to overload an already overloaded

system. So, start slowly.

2. Sensitivities. No one knows how any protcol will work with their bodies. So,

in case of sensitivities or even adverse reactions, COMMON SENSE dictates it is

prudent to start slowly to see if you are getting a contra-indication of some

sort. This should be followed with ANY health protocol!

3. Once on the protocol for people with compromised immune systems, weening off

the protocol is also prudent as one does not want to remove a support system if

the immune system cannot handle going back to running the show by itself. Again,

we are using common sense here.

When you refer to anti-depressants and such those affect brain chemistry. The

Beck Protocol does not act in this manner. The Beck Protocol is a powerful

protocol for health. I can tell you that we are really only talking about VERY

ill people who had some reaction by either jumping in too fast or stopping too

fast. When I say very ill I mean people on the verge of death, or suffering for

years with their health declining rapidly.

Us and our staff have been using the units WHEN WE FEEL THE URGE to do so. There

is NO dependancy whatsoever. We have over 15 years experience with this and have

nwever seen any hint of a dependancy.

My feeling is either you have gotten a whole lot of mis-information over

time, or have read into this something that is not true. Regardless, if you do

not feel comfortable doing the protocol then that is your choice. You mention

other remedies that you are more comfortable with. Go with what you feel. I just

don't want you making decisions on bad information.

Hope this helps!

Blessings,

Russ

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

> > it's helping me.

> >

> > ***Great.

> >

> > >

> > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling

> > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > >

> > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

> > blood electrification device:

> > >

> > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > know this is explained as moving out the

> >

> > ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood

> > analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

> >

> > >

> > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

> > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> >

> > ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a

> > compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY

> > to ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " .

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> >

> > ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this!

> > On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the

> > LONG TERM!

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

> > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > >

> >

> > ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have

> > a very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it

> > behooves one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON

> > IT for as long as you want. :-)

> >

> > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> >

> > ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you

> > getting all this incorrect " info " ?

> >

> > >

> > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

> > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so

> > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> >

> > ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

> >

> > >

> > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

> > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

> > be able to do it themselves.

> >

> > ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

> >

> > >

> > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

> > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and

> > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now

> > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different

> > testimonials about ---

> >

> > ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

> >

> > >

> > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which

> > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear

> > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems

> > like Lyme or cancer.

> > >

> > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> >

> > ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what

> > you are mentioning here .

> >

> > I hope this helps!

> > Russ

> >

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

October 10, 2011

" I guess I am just worried about starting a slightly inconvenient treatment when

as far as I can tell I might find myself needing to continue it for life. "

There is nothing in it that would " hook " you to it that I have ever seen, so

don't worry. You can start/stop anytime.

If it is handling or counteracting Lyme's it is a great thing. This is a

godsend for you in that case, as Lyme's can be very harmful and this could spare

you much harm. Put into perspective you would be lucky if this helps enough for

you to continue it.

If it doesn't help very much you won't continue anyway, right? I have a friend

who uses a 6 volt battery and two wires wrapped in wet cloth, which he puts

alongside his rib cage, slowly moves them along the sides every few minutes.

Does this about once a week for his Lyme's. Gets die offs and feels a lot

better. He does while watching TV or being with the kids. It's nothing to him

he is now used to it, relies on it.

Whatever you do, and I mean it with compassion, until there's a cure for Lyme's,

whatever is working to help you, you will be needing to continue for life if you

expect to live a relatively normal life.

But whether it works will depend on how it goes for you individually, as there

is no organized study on it. Most people like you, just want to find out how to

get well, not be test subjects. But at this stage everyone is either a test

subject or not doing it.

bG

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

> > it's helping me.

> >

> > ***Great.

> >

> > >

> > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling

> > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > >

> > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

> > blood electrification device:

> > >

> > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > know this is explained as moving out the

> >

> > ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood

> > analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

> >

> > >

> > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

> > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> >

> > ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a

> > compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY

> > to ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " .

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> >

> > ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this!

> > On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the

> > LONG TERM!

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

> > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > >

> >

> > ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have

> > a very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it

> > behooves one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON

> > IT for as long as you want. :-)

> >

> > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> >

> > ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you

> > getting all this incorrect " info " ?

> >

> > >

> > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

> > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so

> > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> >

> > ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

> >

> > >

> > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

> > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

> > be able to do it themselves.

> >

> > ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

> >

> > >

> > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

> > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and

> > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now

> > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different

> > testimonials about ---

> >

> > ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

> >

> > >

> > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which

> > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear

> > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems

> > like Lyme or cancer.

> > >

> > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> >

> > ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what

> > you are mentioning here .

> >

> > I hope this helps!

> > Russ

> >

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

October 10, 2011

Thanks for all the input.Sorry if I have seemed confrontational -- going through Lyme die-off.... My thought is that perhaps people have to keep using the blood electrification because it does not get to all the pathogens in other parts of the body besides the blood. Doesn't make it a bad therapy, it just does a good job at what it does.

So if I combine it with ozone and Rife, perhaps I'll be able to get more of the pathogens in general, get to them from many different routes/means. Also, I'll have other methods to use down the road when I taper off the blood electrification.

So maybe these concerns about relapsing when stopping blood electrification can be addressed by using other therapies in combination with it.Thanks everyone,On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, baby_grand <b7494@...> wrote:

" I guess I am just worried about starting a slightly inconvenient treatment when as far as I can tell I might find myself needing to continue it for life. "

There is nothing in it that would " hook " you to it that I have ever seen, so don't worry. You can start/stop anytime.

If it is handling or counteracting Lyme's it is a great thing. This is a godsend for you in that case, as Lyme's can be very harmful and this could spare you much harm. Put into perspective you would be lucky if this helps enough for you to continue it.

If it doesn't help very much you won't continue anyway, right? I have a friend who uses a 6 volt battery and two wires wrapped in wet cloth, which he puts alongside his rib cage, slowly moves them along the sides every few minutes. Does this about once a week for his Lyme's. Gets die offs and feels a lot better. He does while watching TV or being with the kids. It's nothing to him he is now used to it, relies on it.

Whatever you do, and I mean it with compassion, until there's a cure for Lyme's, whatever is working to help you, you will be needing to continue for life if you expect to live a relatively normal life.

But whether it works will depend on how it goes for you individually, as there is no organized study on it. Most people like you, just want to find out how to get well, not be test subjects. But at this stage everyone is either a test subject or not doing it.

bG

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

> > it's helping me.

> >

> > ***Great.

> >

> > >

> > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling

> > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > >

> > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

> > blood electrification device:

> > >

> > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > know this is explained as moving out the

> >

> > ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood

> > analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

> >

> > >

> > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

> > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> >

> > ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a

> > compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY

> > to ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " .

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> >

> > ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this!

> > On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the

> > LONG TERM!

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

> > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > >

> >

> > ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have

> > a very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it

> > behooves one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON

> > IT for as long as you want. :-)

> >

> > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> >

> > ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you

> > getting all this incorrect " info " ?

> >

> > >

> > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

> > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so

> > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> >

> > ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

> >

> > >

> > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

> > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

> > be able to do it themselves.

> >

> > ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

> >

> > >

> > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

> > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and

> > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now

> > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different

> > testimonials about ---

> >

> > ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

> >

> > >

> > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which

> > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear

> > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems

> > like Lyme or cancer.

> > >

> > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> >

> > ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what

> > you are mentioning here .

> >

> > I hope this helps!

> > Russ

> >

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

October 10, 2011

Hi Gail,

When you say your pulser is broken, what is wrong with it? Is it one of ours? I

can fix it (no charge) even if it is way past warranty. Instead of buying a new

one, I could look at your broken one first? It is rare that a Silver Pulser

stops working. It may be the electrodes and not the unit. Anyway, tell me more

on what the issue is. :-)

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

it's helping me.

> >

> > ***Great.

> >

> > >

> > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > >

> > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

blood electrification device:

> > >

> > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know

this is explained as moving out the

> >

> > ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood

analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

> >

> > >

> > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> >

> > ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a

compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY to

ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " .

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> >

> > ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this!

On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the LONG

TERM!

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > >

> >

> > ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have a

very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it behooves

one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON IT for as long

as you want. :-)

> >

> > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> >

> > ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you

getting all this incorrect " info " ?

> >

> > >

> > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

> >

> > ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

> >

> > >

> > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could

stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be

able to do it themselves.

> >

> > ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

> >

> > >

> > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. "

Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating

whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an

alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about

---

> >

> > ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

> >

> > >

> > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

> > >

> > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> >

> > ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what you

are mentioning here .

> >

> > I hope this helps!

> > Russ

> >

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

October 10, 2011

I can give you an example to illustrate what blood electrification can do using

Hep-c. We had one case where he did blood electrification using plain old dc

current an hour a day reversing it every 5 or 10 minutes to avoid whatever minor

soreness in fingers occurs when you dont do that, and he got tested every 3

weeks. In 15

weeks his tests showed a viral load drop from 2,200,000 down to 14,000, or about

99.3%. He then stopped for 3 weeks and got retested. It went up to 880,000,

or just over half of what it had been 15 weeks earlier. He was disheartened.

Instead of adopting a more rational stance and using a maintenance dose, he quit

altogether. He did not listen to me or to anyone else.

I was puzzled why it didn't go to zero. Then I found out it invades the liver

cells and multiplies inside of them. So, while it is carried by blood, and

transmitted by blood, it can still live even if the blood is cleared out of all

the virus. It will come back since it has the reservoir inside liver cells, and

they have NOT been electrified. Note that they are not just whole viruses

inside the cells, but rna/dna fragments inside the cells and are therefore not

the same as whole virus, but are spliced into the Host cell's DNA chain so are

impervious.

Next, I designed pads to go over the liver and had some more hep-c people use

those. But we should also have insisted on the blood electrification, in order

to curb re-infection from the bloodstream.

They would not do that, instead thinking they only needed the pads. So that did

not work. I got few mails on it, often they skipped out but some were very

cooperative. We needed more time and tests to work out a good system, but they

disappeared long before we could finish the work.

The one case who used drugs for hep-c PLUS blood electrification, got a complete

remission within 30 days, which was most unusual. It's generally a few months

if at all. Couple that with only a 25% remission rate from the drugs, you have

a real good story there. But no one paid attention to it, instead preferring

their prejudices against drugs or against alternatives.

There were no combination tests done except for that one person, who was a

Chinese rescue worker who picked up hep-c removing bodies from the 911 wreckage

in NYC. He alone had the guts to cure himself, it would seem, using both the

highly toxic Hep-c chemo plus the blood electrification. Very deserving reward

I would say. He alone remains well, long after the toxic drugs were washed out,

while the others have either gotten liver transplants, remained ill, or died

from their Hep-c.

With Lyme's, as with hep-c, or even CFS, maybe meds plus blood electrifying,

plus using some brain/spinal dc current, and you could arrive at, with

persistence a cure. I am most impressed with combinations, especially the ones

that defy all the prejudices.

bG

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month

> > and

> > > > it's helping me.

> > > >

> > > > ***Great.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

> > > > electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for

> > controlling

> > > > Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > > > >

> > > > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about

> > the

> > > > blood electrification device:

> > > > >

> > > > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

> > > > know this is explained as moving out the

> > > >

> > > > ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood

> > > > analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their

> > levels.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification,

> > then

> > > > stopping it and getting very sick as though they were

> > immunocompromised.

> > > >

> > > > ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a

> > > > compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY

> > SLOWLY

> > > > to ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

> > > > which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > > >

> > > > ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this!

> > > > On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr

> > the

> > > > LONG TERM!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly,

> > and

> > > > you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you

> > have

> > > > a very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it

> > > > behooves one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY

> > ON

> > > > IT for as long as you want. :-)

> > > >

> > > > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

> > > > system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a

> > dependence.

> > > >

> > > > ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you

> > > > getting all this incorrect " info " ?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments

> > (antidepressants,

> > > > low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it?

> > If so

> > > > I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > > >

> > > > ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we

> > could

> > > > stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies

> > would

> > > > be able to do it themselves.

> > > >

> > > > ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this

> > worry

> > > > with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are

> > > > killed. " Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual

> > thing, and

> > > > I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk,

> > now

> > > > that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear

> > different

> > > > testimonials about ---

> > > >

> > > > ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

> > > > immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body

> > which

> > > > you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't

> > hear

> > > > of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute

> > problems

> > > > like Lyme or cancer.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's

> > reports...

> > > >

> > > > ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of

> > what

> > > > you are mentioning here .

> > > >

> > > > I hope this helps!

> > > > Russ

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 10, 2011

Hi Russ,

It's one of 's, and has been broken for years. But I was doing really

good at the time, then had his own problems, and I just never thought

much about getting it repaired. It's been years since I've even checked in on

the Beck lists. So much had been going on in my personal life that it wasn't

until I started back tracking trying to figure out what worked that I decided to

try the pulsing again.

I haven't kept tabs on , but he didn't respond to my question asking how

often you guys pulse to keep cfs at bay. I have no ideal if he's even still in

the business or makes repairs. I wouldn't blame him if he's not after what

happened to him.

But back to your question, I don't know what's wrong. It just doesn't get the

juice. I've replaced the batteries and that didn't help so I'm guessing maybe a

wire is broken.

Anyway, I've already ordered one from you and have already received the

accessories so the unit should be close behind. They told me one will follow

the other a few days later.

In the mean time, I have a parasite zapper that still works and started

zapping with that. Have noticed energy when the juice is turned on, and as soon

as I turn it off, the energy will slack off, too. If I recall correctly, it

seems like I read something about pulsing increasing the ATP in the body. Now

the trick is to get the energy to remain after the unit is off; energy build up.

<chuckle> Sounds good to me.

Gail

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

it's helping me.

> > >

> > > ***Great.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > > >

> > > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

blood electrification device:

> > > >

> > > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

know this is explained as moving out the

> > >

> > > ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood

analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > >

> > > ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a

compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY to

ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " .

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > >

> > > ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this!

On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the LONG

TERM!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > > >

> > >

> > > ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have

a very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it behooves

one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON IT for as long

as you want. :-)

> > >

> > > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> > >

> > > ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you

getting all this incorrect " info " ?

> > >

> > > >

> > > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > >

> > > ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we

could stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

be able to do it themselves.

> > >

> > > ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. "

Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating

whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an

alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about

---

> > >

> > > ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > >

> > > ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what

you are mentioning here .

> > >

> > > I hope this helps!

> > > Russ

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 10, 2011

Hi AllI can vouch for Sota's guarantee. I sent my magnetic pulser back after two years and it was fixed and back to me in a couple of weeks with no charge. Excellent company, good products and good service.Thanks DaveFrom: <russ@...> Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 8:58 AMSubject: Re: weighing risks of blood electirication

Hi Gail,

When you say your pulser is broken, what is wrong with it? Is it one of ours? I can fix it (no charge) even if it is way past warranty. Instead of buying a new one, I could look at your broken one first? It is rare that a Silver Pulser stops working. It may be the electrodes and not the unit. Anyway, tell me more on what the issue is. :-)

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and it's helping me.

> >

> > ***Great.

> >

> > >

> > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme (since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > >

> > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the blood electrification device:

> > >

> > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I know this is explained as moving out the

> >

> > ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

> >

> > >

> > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> >

> > ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY to ensure their own immune system can "run on its own".

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance, which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> >

> > ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this! On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the LONG TERM!

> >

> > >

> > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > >

> >

> > ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have a very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it behooves one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON IT for as long as you want. :-)

> >

> > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> >

> > ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you getting all this incorrect "info"?

> >

> > >

> > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants, low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> >

> > ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

> >

> > >

> > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we could stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would be able to do it themselves.

> >

> > ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

> >

> > >

> > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry with a blithe "well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed." Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about ---

> >

> > ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

> >

> > >

> > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or cancer.

> > >

> > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> >

> > ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what you are mentioning here .

> >

> > I hope this helps!

> > Russ

> >

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

October 11, 2011

build quality is excellent on my magnetic pulser and my ozonator. seems like

they got the bugs out. I have a different blood electrifier that does both 4

hertz and also another frequency, and so far it is working fine, but I can fix

this type of thing so it's not essential for me to have something super-built,

but it is still quite good and has the meter in it that I like to use for

dosage.

bG

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month and

it's helping me.

> > >

> > > ***Great.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > > >

> > > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about the

blood electrification device:

> > > >

> > > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

know this is explained as moving out the

> > >

> > > ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood

analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification, then

stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > >

> > > ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a

compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY to

ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " .

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > >

> > > ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this!

On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the LONG

TERM!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly, and

you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > > >

> > >

> > > ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you have

a very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it behooves

one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON IT for as long

as you want. :-)

> > >

> > > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> > >

> > > ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you

getting all this incorrect " info " ?

> > >

> > > >

> > > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments (antidepressants,

low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep using it? If so I

get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > >

> > > ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we

could stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

be able to do it themselves.

> > >

> > > ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. "

Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating

whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an

alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about

---

> > >

> > > ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > >

> > > ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what

you are mentioning here .

> > >

> > > I hope this helps!

> > > Russ

> > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 11, 2011

oh, right my SOTA mag pulser and ozonator. I don't make anything anymore.

bG

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I've been using the bob beck protocol for Lyme disease for one month

and it's helping me.

> > > >

> > > > ***Great.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > However, I'm thinking more about some concerns I had about the blood

electrification device, because I no longer depend on it for controlling Lyme

(since I got an ozone generator and that seems to do the job too).

> > > > >

> > > > > I keep running into the following ideas that slightly worry me about

the blood electrification device:

> > > > >

> > > > > -The blood electrification device can lower white blood cell count (I

know this is explained as moving out the

> > > >

> > > > ***Never heard of this! In fact the opposite is true! Under live blood

analysis we saw the white blood cells increase dramatically in their levels.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -I have seen stories of healthy people doing blood electrification,

then stopping it and getting very sick as though they were immunocompromised.

> > > >

> > > > ***I have never heard of this either! However, those folks with a

compromised immune system needs to start and stop the protocol VERY SLOWLY to

ensure their own immune system can " run on its own " .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -I keep hearing this refrain of continuing to use it for maintenance,

which to me suggests that it might cause dependence.

> > > >

> > > > ***Again, this is not what we have found in over 15 years doing this!

On-going maintenance shows remarkable improvement in one's health fr the LONG

TERM!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -I keep hearing that you should not stop using the device suddenly,

and you might need to stay on it for life or keep using it regularly.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ***Again, this is not the case! See above for stopping slowly (if you

have a very weakened immune system). Now, if the protocol is helping then it

behooves one co CONTNUE! If the alternative is getting siker, then STAY ON IT

for as long as you want. :-)

> > > >

> > > > > I am worried that the device might slightly disable the host's immune

system, even while killing bacteria, such that people develop a dependence.

> > > >

> > > > ***No, this is not true. The exact OPPOSITE is seen! Wow, where are you

getting all this incorrect " info " ?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This is something I watch out for with all treatments

(antidepressants, low-dose naltrexone, MMS) -- do people say they have to keep

using it? If so I get worried that it might induce dependence.

> > > >

> > > > ***Not that we have seen in over 15 years. And we all use our products!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ideally treatments would build up our own immune systems so that we

could stop needing anything from the outside to kill pathogens--our bodies would

be able to do it themselves.

> > > >

> > > > ***Yes, that is what we see happening!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyone else thinking about this? I don't want to sweep away this worry

with a blithe " well only the unhealthy/infected white blood cells are killed. "

Putting a lot of electricity into the body is an unusual thing, and I'm debating

whether it's worth it to me to continue taking that risk, now that I have an

alternate method for killing bacteria that I hear different testimonials about

---

> > > >

> > > > ***Nothing to do with killing cells!! White or red!!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I know ozone can be immunosuppressive at high levels, but it can be

immunostimulating at lower doses. And it helps to detoxify the body which you'd

think would support the person's basic immune function. I don't hear of people

being stuck using ozone for life after using it for acute problems like Lyme or

cancer.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't understand the science - I'm just going by people's reports...

> > > >

> > > > ***What reports??? We have an exetnsive database and we see none of what

you are mentioning here .

> > > >

> > > > I hope this helps!

> > > > Russ

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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