My first post. Please advise.

[Guest guest]

Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything,

including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification.

Someone suggested the following unit to me:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539\

851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DE\

R & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7

And this site has more specs about this unit:

http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html

Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it

exactly?

I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying

right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of

bartonella circulates in the blood.

Thanks,

~

[Guest guest]

PLEASE , PLEASE have mercy and forward this to anybody he might could help, unfortunately I have no weeks, every single Day counts. Maybe somebody would let me sit in front of his electromedicine-machine, I dont have many options left.

Dear BECK- TEAM!

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From: A <davidraubu@...>Subject: My first post. Please advise. Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 1:13 PM

Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7And this site has more specs about this unit:http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.htmlIs this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it exactly?I think

either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.Thanks,~

[Guest guest]

Those units are not good for the Beck Protocol . Sota.com are the units that I use and would recommend. You can also build the unit yourself, the schematics are freely available on the net if you are technically inclined.

Tom

From: A

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:13 PM

Subject: My first post. Please advise.

Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7And this site has more specs about this unit:http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.htmlIs this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it exactly?I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.Thanks,~

[Guest guest]

Buy the 3rd one down http://www.dragonfly75.com/eng/order3.htmlThat's about the best price, especially since it comes with batteries. From: Tom <tom@...>Subject: Re: My first post. Please advise. Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 8:48 PM

Those units are not good for the Beck Protocol . Sota.com are the units that I use and would recommend. You can also build the unit yourself, the schematics are freely available on the net if you are technically inclined.

Tom

From: A

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:13 PM

Subject: My first post. Please advise.

Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7And this site has more specs about this unit:http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.htmlIs this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it exactly?I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.Thanks,~

[Guest guest]

see they: no it will not kill Germs?! Thx, my Friends

From: baby_grand <b7494@...>Subject: Re: My first post. Please advise. Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 8:57 PM

you can make the most powerful one available for under 20 dollars yourself, see . A 6 year old child could build it in about 10 minutes or less. No skill or knowledge required.It has worked where the beck type 4 hertz machines have not lowered the viral load, this one creamed it, in 15 weeks down 99 percent almost undetectable. bG> >> > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:> > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7> > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:> > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html> > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it exactly?> > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.> > > > Thanks,> > ~> >>

[Guest guest]

Are you talking about this group?:

http://health.dir./group//

Looks neat. I will join that group then look through their files, etc.

~

> > >

> > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried

everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood

electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:

> > >

> > >

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539\

851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DE\

R & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7

> > >

> > > And this site has more specs about this unit:

> > >

> > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html

> > >

> > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it

exactly?

> > >

> > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not

dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not

all of bartonella circulates in the blood.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > ~

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Suggest you try drinking baking soda (available from grocery store) dissolved in water. See www.phkillscancer.com

Cheap & easy., Hal

[Guest guest]

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I have stage4 Cancer

Hi ,

Have you googled Oleander? Here are some links to information about Oleander:

http://curezone.us/forums/fm.asp?i=1350848

http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Oleander.html

Below is an old email forward so I don't know if the links are still working but it will give you a starting point for your cancer research.

Dotsie

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[Guest guest]

yes, the menu/files contains results of using various devices organized by

illness they were used on. it depends on people filing reports so the list can

grow.

the menu/photos section shows the devices.

bG

there are two areas, hep-c and hiv that are not fully developed yet due to lack

of interest by people with these ills. They were not looking for some project

to develop the science and get at a real good method...just " wanted to get well "

so they did not.

beck's device was tested in many cases on hiv and hep-c and it did not improve

their numbers. the dc godzilla in both cases did, so this hints at dc simpler

devices might be best approach. but it has sat there for several years now. my

writing did nothing to inspire anyone on these two diseases, they did not follow

the logic or science of it, and flaked around. too bad, or we might have

something by now. I would predict there will be cures for them but not

developed through public participation.

> > > >

> > > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried

everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood

electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:

> > > >

> > > >

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539\

851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DE\

R & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7

> > > >

> > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html

> > > >

> > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use

it exactly?

> > > >

> > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are

not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so

not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > ~

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

BG,

Been a follower of this group for sometime now, and have reported successes with your device, as well as the Beck device.

My Personal thinking is that the fact your device is more succesfull in many cases is more about the techniques that you've come up with for applying the current, and your research in locating where to apply it to do the most good. Very little similar research has been done related to the Beck device. Most everybody uses it in the traditional way on a wrist. Just not enough!

So basically I wanted to thank you for all the work you've put into this, and just say - keep up the good work.

Thanks,

Bernie

Re: My first post. Please advise.

yes, the menu/files contains results of using various devices organized by illness they were used on. it depends on people filing reports so the list can grow.the menu/photos section shows the devices.bGthere are two areas, hep-c and hiv that are not fully developed yet due to lack of interest by people with these ills. They were not looking for some project to develop the science and get at a real good method...just "wanted to get well" so they did not.beck's device was tested in many cases on hiv and hep-c and it did not improve their numbers. the dc godzilla in both cases did, so this hints at dc simpler devices might be best approach. but it has sat there for several years now. my writing did nothing to inspire anyone on these two diseases, they did not follow the logic or science of it, and flaked around. too bad, or we might have something by now. I would predict there will be cures for them but not developed through public participation.> > > >> > > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:> > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7> > > > > > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:> > > > > > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html> > > > > > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it exactly?> > > > > > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > ~> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Bernie.

In MOST cases this is true, the application of the device more directly to the

germ results in better outcomes, eg: apply the current to the nose for a cold

instead of to the bloodstream. In that case the pulsating Beck device would be

distracting, so the dc current used there is just easier, too.

However, when it came to reducing viral load for HIV and HEP-C, the results very

clearly show the same techniques yielding vastly different results. In one case

the Hep-c RNA strand count was 2.2 million after a year of using beck's wrist

electrifier an hour a day. changing to the godzilla device it was lowered in 15

weeks to 14k, a drop of 99%. there were tests done every 3 weeks and no test

rose, they all fell consistently over the whole 15 weeks. Yet, people ignore

this. With HIV of all the cases on record ONLY the one case using dc showed T

cell count improvement and viral load improvement, and even the doctor WAS

impressed in that case.

All the others used the Beck devices and they lost the battle, with only

sporadic random improvements but steady declines. I don't know how many times I

have to repeat or publish this finding, or why people simply imagine it away

rather than read, but that is all part of the reason we still don't have this

solved. They think I am anti-beck or somehow ignorant. The reason we have so

many stories on my group about Beck is because I thought beck was right--at

first, and we only used Beck devices. The other dc simple ones were just handy

for small things, but we ALWAYS used Beck devices for hep-c and Hiv. Afterall,

he was accepted as the authority on it. Sometimes we would use the DC due to

hardship economically, or just as a test for comparison. I wish Beck's devices

worked on these two viruses in blood, but it appears they do not. Beck devices

are available and you can buy them. My thing you have to make, as it is too

simple to market it.

I know if I were ill with either of these killers, I would not just blow this

off and do Beck without any further thought about it in the light of what we

learned so painfully!

bG

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried

everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood

electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:

> > > > >

> > > > >

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539\

851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DE\

R & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7

> > > > >

> > > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html

> > > > >

> > > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use

it exactly?

> > > > >

> > > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that

are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels

so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > ~

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

BG,

As I said, you've done a marvelous job with all your research. I'd really love to have you investigate the scalar energy device that we've been testing on the Crock-Lakhovsky group. We've gotten some good reports from the users that have tried it, and I see a very good likliehood of there being some synergy in using it along with your device. I'm not marketing the device, but showing people how to build it for themselves. Essentially the same as your approach here.

Bernie

Re: My first post. Please advise.

Thanks, Bernie.In MOST cases this is true, the application of the device more directly to the germ results in better outcomes, eg: apply the current to the nose for a cold instead of to the bloodstream. In that case the pulsating Beck device would be distracting, so the dc current used there is just easier, too.However, when it came to reducing viral load for HIV and HEP-C, the results very clearly show the same techniques yielding vastly different results. In one case the Hep-c RNA strand count was 2.2 million after a year of using beck's wrist electrifier an hour a day. changing to the godzilla device it was lowered in 15 weeks to 14k, a drop of 99%. there were tests done every 3 weeks and no test rose, they all fell consistently over the whole 15 weeks. Yet, people ignore this. With HIV of all the cases on record ONLY the one case using dc showed T cell count improvement and viral load improvement, and even the doctor WAS impressed in that case. All the others used the Beck devices and they lost the battle, with only sporadic random improvements but steady declines. I don't know how many times I have to repeat or publish this finding, or why people simply imagine it away rather than read, but that is all part of the reason we still don't have this solved. They think I am anti-beck or somehow ignorant. The reason we have so many stories on my group about Beck is because I thought beck was right--at first, and we only used Beck devices. The other dc simple ones were just handy for small things, but we ALWAYS used Beck devices for hep-c and Hiv. Afterall, he was accepted as the authority on it. Sometimes we would use the DC due to hardship economically, or just as a test for comparison. I wish Beck's devices worked on these two viruses in blood, but it appears they do not. Beck devices are available and you can buy them. My thing you have to make, as it is too simple to market it. I know if I were ill with either of these killers, I would not just blow this off and do Beck without any further thought about it in the light of what we learned so painfully! bG> > > > >> > > > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:> > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7> > > > > > > > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:> > > > > > > > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html> > > > > > > > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it exactly?> > > > > > > > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > ~> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Good luck with that, Bernie. I wear a Clarus pendant, no idea what it does or

if it even works, just a habit I guess from when I was exploring things. Right

now I am pretty busy, but who knows.

bG

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried

everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood

electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539\

851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DE\

R & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I

use it exactly?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that

are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels

so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Okay, I'm dropping this forum and going to the microelectricity germ killer

forum to investigate more. See you there!

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying.

Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood

electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539\

851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DE\

R & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I

use it exactly?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs

that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood

vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Thank YOU so much for responding Dotsie!!!

unfortunately I am out of any funds, etc.

Bye,

From: DotsieBoo@... <DotsieBoo@...>Subject: Re: My first post. Please advise. Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 12:20 PM

In a message dated 6/6/2011 7:02:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hope4alln4me@... writes:

I have stage4 Cancer

Hi ,

Have you googled Oleander? Here are some links to information about Oleander:

http://curezone.us/forums/fm.asp?i=1350848

http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Oleander.html

Below is an old email forward so I don't know if the links are still working but it will give you a starting point for your cancer research.

Dotsie

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Dotsie

[Guest guest]

Thanks, BG,

I think this device will catch on simply because it's got everything going for it. It's now in the public domain, costs next to nothing to make, and only basic hand tools are needed, and it does work. About 1/3 of the people who have tried it can actually feel the energy from it.

That's all I have to say on the subject! Anyone who might be interested in learning more can join the other group for more details, or contact me privately.

Thanksm

Bernie

Re: My first post. Please advise.

Good luck with that, Bernie. I wear a Clarus pendant, no idea what it does or if it even works, just a habit I guess from when I was exploring things. Right now I am pretty busy, but who knows.bG> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7> > > > > > > > > > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html> > > > > > > > > > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it exactly?> > > > > > > > > > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > ~> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I made my own electro-muscle stimulator from a Radio Shack mini audio amplifier,

a mini audio output coil wired in reverse to step up the voltage, a CD player

with a CD with sine waves of 4,8,16 and 32 Hz + pink noise, and regular

self-adhesive TENS electrodes, and I never got so much as the sniffles for 10

years. Before that, I got most everything that came around. About 9 months after

I quit doing it, I got pneumonia. It also gave me musculature like a roofer,

lots of striations visble through the skin, and a radical increase in physical

strength.

I'm the one that advised him to try this, I ordered one myself. 40 to 50 volts

at 100 mA max, with an asymmetrical biphasic square wave should do the job just

as well as my home made unit, except there are two isolated channels, something

that would have been much more difficult to make.

>

> no, this will not kill germs.

>

> bG

[Guest guest]

I don't see why not, other than product loyalty reasons. I'm not in any way

connected with that company, by the way, and I'm sure the SOTA unit is high

quality. It seems like a lot of different makes and models of TENS and EMS have

exactly the same specs, so they're probably using the same circuit nd ICs. I

read that the Beck device produced 4 Hz sine waves, I think at 40 volts. This is

special as opposed to the EMS units....because?

>

> Those units are not good for the Beck Protocol . Sota.com are the units

that I use and would recommend. You can also build the unit yourself, the

schematics are freely available on the net if you are technically inclined.

>

> Tom

[Guest guest]

My only comment is that although similar components can produce the electrical pulses, the Beck devices are supposed to be bipolar, so they do not cause electrolysis. I have not looked into the actual circuit of the SOTA device (I have one) but I assume that there is a transformer at the output that allows for both, the needed high voltage (about 30 V) and being bipolar. Other devices, for example the F-Scan II, which I once owned, produce pulsed DC pulses that are not bipolar. Regards, Stephan From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of neurowurmSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: Re: My first post. Please advise. I don't see why not, other than product loyalty reasons. I'm not in any way connected with that company, by the way, and I'm sure the SOTA unit is high quality. It seems like a lot of different makes and models of TENS and EMS have exactly the same specs, so they're probably using the same circuit nd ICs. I read that the Beck device produced 4 Hz sine waves, I think at 40 volts. This is special as opposed to the EMS units....because?>> Those units are not good for the Beck Protocol . Sota.com are the units that I use and would recommend. You can also build the unit yourself, the schematics are freely available on the net if you are technically inclined.> > Tom

[Guest guest]

The Beck device is not AC, but a switched Bipolar DC. The output is a square wave the that switches between about +20 volts and - 20 volts. Some variation in these levels between different models.

The Tens unit produces short higher voltage spike, so it produces a lot less average current over time. It's function is to stimulate muscles. Not very useful to clean the blood. A simple battery device as used in the group is more useful for killing germs.

There are also a variety of devices of the zapper type which are simple on-off switching devices, usually operating at about 7 volts. Current is too low to have much effect, and is only on 50% of the time.

Some of the more expensive devices allow the pulseing frequency to be adjusted, which can make them more effective for certain conditions.

For myself, I really got nothing from the simple zapper, but get results from the Beck device that I built, and have had good results from the simple battery device. I don't know what condition you're trying to fix, so hesitate to make any more directed recommendation. I've also seen good results from scalar energy devices that boost the life force energy, thereby boosting the body's own repair abilities.

Bernie

RE: Re: My first post. Please advise.

My only comment is that although similar components can produce the electrical pulses, the Beck devices are supposed to be bipolar, so they do not cause electrolysis. I have not looked into the actual circuit of the SOTA device (I have one) but I assume that there is a transformer at the output that allows for both, the needed high voltage (about 30 V) and being bipolar. Other devices, for example the F-Scan II, which I once owned, produce pulsed DC pulses that are not bipolar.

Regards,

Stephan

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of neurowurmSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: Re: My first post. Please advise.

I don't see why not, other than product loyalty reasons. I'm not in any way connected with that company, by the way, and I'm sure the SOTA unit is high quality. It seems like a lot of differe nt makes and models of TENS and EMS have exactly the same specs, so they're probably using the same circuit nd ICs. I read that the Beck device produced 4 Hz sine waves, I think at 40 volts. This is special as opposed to the EMS units....because?>> Those units are not good for the Beck Protocol . Sota.com are the units that I use and would recommend. You can also build the unit yourself, the schematics are freely available on the net if you are technically inclined.> > Tom

[Guest guest]

BG,

There's two types of energy involved. The device generates scalar energy that is so close to the life force energy that our bodies simply absorb it like sponges. When it's held near the thyroid gland it can stimulate it to increase production, and in doing so increases the level of physical energy. I feel that most people have underactive thyroid function because of poor diet and lack of iodine to support the gland, which leads to weight gain, and things like CFS and fibromyalgia(sp).

Bernie

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Re: My first post. Please advise.

I'd agree, Bernie. If feeling energy is wanted this will probably disappoint, due to DC having known anesthetic properties. So get another device for nerve stimulus usage. If you use this, there is a simple meter insertion by cutting and splicing one wire which can tell you how much you are getting. That is far more reliable than going by feel. The cost of that is under $5.bG> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it exactly?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > ~> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Bg,

What I was trying to say is that the scalar field energy from the device seems to boost the physical energy in our bodies by stimulating the thyroid. All living things utilize the the ambient energy from the environment (the aether) to some extent. By artificially concentrating this energy we're simply increaseing the amount available to the body, or specific parts of the body, and in a very natural way helping the body's own ability to make needed repairs.

We've been getting kinda off-topic here. My background is in research to utilize scalar energy to generate useful power. In doing this research we occasionally stumble onto things of therapeutic value. Since this device appears to have some therapeutic value we've made the information available so others can try it if they wish! With a base of less than 20 people actively involved at this time, most have had positive results. At this time there is simply no way of knowing much of anything about how effective it might be on different problems. Only research and testing will determine that! And we really have little interest in devoting our personal time to doing that. But would be pleased to see others take that on.

Thanks,

Bernie

Re: My first post. Please advise.

Involved in what? In killing germs the only research I have seen that is controlled in lab, or directly observable uses DC. Are you saying there is evidence of germs being killed by scalar energy? I understood the scalar to be some sort of a healing aid, not a germ killer. I don't get into healing, just removing germs directly which is much more limited. Once I have that down, then who knows, but there's still more to do on it :)bG> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything, including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification. Someone suggested the following unit to me:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this site has more specs about this unit:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it exactly?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not all of bartonella circulates in the blood.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > ~> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

trimming my post here finally!

It is interesting stuff you are into. I don't think too many people here are

killing germs here so maybe your topic is more relevant to the health effects

part.

bG

>

> Bg,

>

> What I was trying to say is that the scalar field energy from the device seems

to boost the physical energy in our bodies by stimulating the thyroid. All

living things utilize the the ambient energy from the environment (the aether)

to some extent. By artificially concentrating this energy we're simply

increaseing the amount available to the body, or specific parts of the body, and

in a very natural way helping the body's own ability to make needed repairs.

>

> We've been getting kinda off-topic here. My background is in research to

utilize scalar energy to generate useful power. In doing this research we

occasionally stumble onto things of therapeutic value. Since this device appears

to have some therapeutic value we've made the information available so others

can try it if they wish! With a base of less than 20 people actively involved at

this time, most have had positive results. At this time there is simply no way

of knowing much of anything about how effective it might be on different

problems. Only research and testing will determine that! And we really have

little interest in devoting our personal time to doing that. But would be

pleased to see others take that on.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Bernie

>

[Guest guest]

BG,

Using scalar energy for healing is nothing new. People that heal with crystals, or the really talented ones that can do it with their hands and minds do this all the time. Even the therapeutic benefits of using magnets likely involves the scalar field as well, since magnets produce both a magnetic field and a scalar field.

Healing techniques like Reiki and Qi Gong(sp) are about nothing more than learning to control and utilize this energy in the body.

Bernie

Re: My first post. Please advise.

trimming my post here finally! :)It is interesting stuff you are into. I don't think too many people here are killing germs here so maybe your topic is more relevant to the health effects part.bG>> Bg,> > What I was trying to say is that the scalar field energy from the device seems to boost the physical energy in our bodies by stimulating the thyroid. All living things utilize the the ambient energy from the environment (the aether) to some extent. By artificially concentrating this energy we're simply increaseing the amount available to the body, or specific parts of the body, and in a very natural way helping the body's own ability to make needed repairs. > > We've been getting kinda off-topic here. My background is in research to utilize scalar energy to generate useful power. In doing this research we occasionally stumble onto things of therapeutic value. Since this device appears to have some therapeutic value we've made the information available so others can try it if they wish! With a base of less than 20 people actively involved at this time, most have had positive results. At this time there is simply no way of knowing much of anything about how effective it might be on different problems. Only research and testing will determine that! And we really have little interest in devoting our personal time to doing that. But would be pleased to see others take that on. > > Thanks,> > Bernie>

[Guest guest]

Hi Goerge,

Please go to www.bobbeck.com and contact the owner at info " at " bobbeck " dot "

com about your situation.

Blessings...

>

>

> From: A <davidraubu@...>

> Subject: My first post. Please advise.

>

> Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 1:13 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Hi all. I have coinfections of lyme that just are not dying. Tried everything,

including many rife machines. Want to consider trying blood electrification.

Someone suggested the following unit to me:

>

>

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UBU30M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539\

851 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1 & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=B000VGK01W & pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DE\

R & pf_rd_r=0R8J14JQ1V1XX9CQZQD7

>

> And this site has more specs about this unit:

>

> http://www.austinmedical.com/ems7500.html

>

> Is this a good think to try? Cheaper is preferable. And how do I use it

exactly?

>

> I think either bartonella or mycoplasma or both are the bugs that are not

dying right now. Bartonella, FYI, also lines the walls of blood vessels so not

all of bartonella circulates in the blood.

>

> Thanks,

> ~

>