Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Mike, How does one make Sodium Ascorbate cheaply ? Just curious. Dirk Chardet Beck protocol > Hello , > > Vit C should work very well with glaucoma. > > About 4gm/day should be enough. Take it as sodium ascorbate: the > buffered/neutral form. Nb. ascorbic acid/VitC is normally acidic. > > There is a whole heap of Beck literature in the file area of this > egroup. > > There are also links on the links page which will take you to web site > that have videos and CD's of Beck speaking. > > Beck was a compelling and well informed speaker who hit all the high > points during his talks. > > If you have visual problems you'll do better with the video or audio > material than the written stuff. > > You should also get some relief if you can increase your > alkalinity... as acidity is usually associated with an increase in > illness including glaucoma. > > The Beck protocol might help glaucoma because it will help your body > to remove toxins and viruses/bacteria. However you'd want to be > flushing your body well at the same time. Either ozone or alkaline > water are ideal for this. Alkaline water tastes > better... but the ozone hardware is cheaper to buy. > > I have a whole heap of stuff on making Sodium Ascorbate cheaply if you want > it. You only need the basic description... although understanding how > and why is invaluable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I see, thank you. I hoped you would know how to start from 'scratch'. As far as 'extreme acid' is concerned ; my maximum of ascorbic acid taken oraly is 27 gram on one day (yes, I love to experiment - on myself) and it never gave me ANY feelings of acidity or acidity problems. When I overdo things with black chocolate - I am a bit of a chocoholic - I feel the acidity - heartburn is the word, I think - for about 24 hrs. Dirk Chardet Re: Beck protocol In a message dated 6/5/2006 6:14:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, chardetalvares@... writes: Mike,How does one make Sodium Ascorbate cheaply ?Just curious. Baking soda and Ascorbic Acid crystals. I use just enough baking soda to create a fizz and changing the PH from extreme Acid base to a more alkaline one. Vester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hi , Dr. Beck made the plans available to everyone so they could make the units themselves. Mind you, you have to have some type of technical skill in electronics to make the units yourself. The plans have been freely distributed all over the internet. Dr. Beck was quite aware that many folks did not have technical knowledge or were simply not interested in trying to build a unit themselves. So, Dr. Beck eventually found two manufacturers that he endorsed to manufacture and make available the units. In doing so, Dr. Beck ensured the units would meet his stringent specifications so folks could rest assured that the units they purchased were indeed his exact protocol. The two manufacturers were Concept2000 and SOTA Instruments. Concept2000 had to shut their business down several years ago due to FDA/FTC and other government pressures (and fears). SOTA has endured battles with 6 different governments including FTC, FDA and Health Canada. It is a miracle these products are even on the market. Furthermore, the units are priced where they need to be in order to continue doing business. The prices are very reasonable and affordable. There is a definite cost to doing business . If the above were not true, then why aren't other manufacturers coming forward to make and sell the units at a far less price? It is a free enterprise market. The fact is, this type of business is very high risk and low reward. Just look at the recent case of Jim Folsom. Jim made and sold Rife machines. Jim now faces LIFE IMPRISONMENT after an FDA court case which Jim lost. In trying to bring out a super-low-cost Silver Pulser unit for those folks who had serious financial difficulties, and for under developed nations we came out with an economy SP Lite unit. We were able to keep pricing as low as possible. The SP Lite retailed for $110 US. Much to our amazement, the unit did not sell well at all. That was a shocker to us. Apparently the price is not a factor for folks. The majority still purchased the original Silver Pulser unit. The SP Lite has now been discontinued. , please take the parts list to an electronics store, and get a total cost for you to purchase the components. Don't forget to add in the cost of the pure silver electrodes for the wrist electrodes, as well as the 8 inch pure silver wire rods for the ionic-colloidal silver production. make sure you specify at least 99.9% pure silver (not sterling silver!!). We use 99.99% pure fine silver. Don't forget the enclosure, neoprene wrist straps, velcor arm-band, cotton sleeves, glass dropper bottle, green scubby for cleaning wires, holder for the silver wires, 9 Volt Alkaline battery, printed circuit board and cloth-zippered carrying case. (Oh, by the way all our parts are RoHS and CE certified.) You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs for your car. When all is accounted for, please let us know your total costs for building one unit. Also, let us know the total time commitment as well. How many hours did it take from start-to-finish for you to make one unit? Once this cost is known, then you tell us how much you would sell this unit for if you wanted to get into the " business " , and " stay " in business. Please factor in costs for the telephone lines for you to take calls from potential customers, 800 lines, fax lines, computers, copying machines, internet access, software, etc., etc. Oh, you will need to cover all costs of shipping the units out. Boxes, packaging, driving to the post office, etc. Oh, don't forget the costs for repairs and returns. Now, I am sure you cannot do all this by yourself. Who is going to make units if you are always on the phone taking orders? So, please factor in the costs of hiring employees so you can run your business. Now, what happens if you hurt yourself or got sick and cannot go to work? Better factor that in. Oh, are you running the business out of our house? Hmmm, that is a tough thing to do. You will need approvals for zoning your house commercial/retail. Factor in possibly moving into an office space. Now, since you are ready to make say 100 units, how are your going to pay for the units up-front? Credit card? Bank line of credit? I trust you have collateral? Hopefully the bank believes you are really going to sell these 100 units in a short time. Oh, yes how do customers pay for the units? VISA, M/C, Amex, Discover? You will have to setup a merchant account for each one. Oh, yes how are you planning on advertising your products? Magazine ads? Newspaper ads? Better be careful what say and how you promote your products! Don't forget Jim Folsom's demise. Now, I hope you sell your 100 units as expected. If not, you are going to have to make a decision about your employee(s). Lay them off? Cut back their hours until sales pick up? Now, if sales do pick up, hopefully your employee(s) still wish to work for you. High risk you know. They might not be interested in a job that is so unstable. Hopefully your technician is willing to make 100 units for you. One, yes...but 100? Hmmmm. So, let us know the costs you came up with , and we shall take it from there. Russ :>) > > Hello all, new to this group, as I was trying to find people who are actually infected with HIV and are using the Protocol, to learn the experiences, progress, and developments. > > I am not HIV+ myself, but a friend of mine was diagnosed a little over a month ago, and I have been searching for answers to try and gather what I can. (The progress of my search is posted on my blog at jaredkenwell.blogspot.com). Eventually my search led me to the Beck Protocol. > > Last night I finally had luck and found someone HIV+ who has been using 'most' of Beck's Protocol for 4 months now. Viral load 4 month ago was 79000, and a month ago 8000, with absolutely no drugs. Feeling healthy in every sense and full of energy. He doesn't know if Beck's protocol will actually completely clear his system or not, but he says that even if he needs to follow it for the rest of his life, he won't mind, as he is feeling great. > > As far as securing the main apparatus itself, I was discouraged to see all the blatant profiteering by the manufacturers of these devices, which clearly goes against Beck's idea that these devices should be provided on a not-for-profit basis. (I guess there's a pharma-giant in most of us.) So, my current idea is to actually take the component list to an electronic supply store tomorrow and try and secure everything in pieces, find a technician who can put one together for me based on the schematic, and take note of the process to assemble the next one myself. > > If everything goes well, I'd like to eventually either create kits or assemble them myself, and make them available on donation basis. To post the cost of building and shipping, and ask those who can afford it to donate more than cost, in order to cover the cost for those who need it but can't afford it. > > Obtaining health should not be limited to those who can afford it. > > Peace, J > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hello, Please take a look at www.docsutter.com. The basics are straighten it out (chiropractic), clean it out, feed it, exercise it. If you are not familiar with Liver Cleansing / Flushing - it will change your life. You can search at curezone.com for more. If you are an American, your liver is clogged and not functioning - period! The liver filters waste out of the blood / lymph and it can't eliminate viruses, etc. when it is operating at reduced capacity. I have done 10 Hulda flushes in the last two months and I am feeling better than ever. I do not have HIV, but the liver is the key to all health. Good luck, Brad On 3/15/09, jkenwell2008 <jkenwell2008@...> wrote: > Hello all, new to this group, as I was trying to find people who are > actually infected with HIV and are using the Protocol, to learn the > experiences, progress, and developments. > > I am not HIV+ myself, but a friend of mine was diagnosed a little over a > month ago, and I have been searching for answers to try and gather what I > can. (The progress of my search is posted on my blog at > jaredkenwell.blogspot.com). Eventually my search led me to the Beck > Protocol. > > Last night I finally had luck and found someone HIV+ who has been using > 'most' of Beck's Protocol for 4 months now. Viral load 4 month ago was > 79000, and a month ago 8000, with absolutely no drugs. Feeling healthy in > every sense and full of energy. He doesn't know if Beck's protocol will > actually completely clear his system or not, but he says that even if he > needs to follow it for the rest of his life, he won't mind, as he is feeling > great. > > As far as securing the main apparatus itself, I was discouraged to see all > the blatant profiteering by the manufacturers of these devices, which > clearly goes against Beck's idea that these devices should be provided on a > not-for-profit basis. (I guess there's a pharma-giant in most of us.) So, my > current idea is to actually take the component list to an electronic supply > store tomorrow and try and secure everything in pieces, find a technician > who can put one together for me based on the schematic, and take note of the > process to assemble the next one myself. > > If everything goes well, I'd like to eventually either create kits or > assemble them myself, and make them available on donation basis. To post the > cost of building and shipping, and ask those who can afford it to donate > more than cost, in order to cover the cost for those who need it but can't > afford it. > > Obtaining health should not be limited to those who can afford it. > > Peace, J > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 sotainstruments writes: > > You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs for your car. > , I've been telling my friends about the Silver Pulser Lite that I bought and am using daily. One of my best friends is a technician at White Sands Missle Range here in southern New Mexico. He understands the diagrams and could do the work himself but he's probably just going to buy a Silver Pulser Lite model like I did! Russ is right, it's not going to be as easy as you think. That's why I'm telling you the Silver Pulser Lite is a good deal. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hi, I hate to agree. I'm a computer engineer and I travel extensively. When I get sick out of town and I don't have a zapper with me, I will go to Radio Shack and build one. After I buy the tools, breadboard, and parts it comes to about $100. However, I am currently trying to design and build one as small as possible and for a cheaply as possible. I should have a prototypes in about 2 months. Right now the price appears to be about $50 for the parts, box, and circuit board alone and you will still have to assemble it with a soldering iron and solder - another $10 at Radio Shack if you have the skills. Hulda and Bob Beck make it sound like you can build one of these for the price of a packet of gum, but I'm afraid that just isn't the case. If you do build it out of cardboard it will last about a week, especially if you sleep with it. Honestly, a $100 is far less that you will spend on vitamins or prescriptions in a single month if you are sick. However, prior to using a zapper I HIGHLY recommend a colon cleanse, a parasite cleanse, and frequent liver flushes so that when the zapper does finally start killing stuff in your body, your body can quickly eliminate it. The last thing you want is waste material being reabsorbed by the remaining healthy cells - your recovery will just take that much longer. Please read more here: http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/ Also, please note that if you are trying to eliminate something like HIV you will probably need to do a liver flush every 2-3 weeks until you are healthy. This could mean literally 20-30 flushes a year. Not a fun way to spend a Saturday night/Sunday afternoon, but very well worth it. Cheers, Brad On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM, <aljuarez@...> wrote: > sotainstruments writes: >> >> You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor >> in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have >> to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs >> for your car. >> > > > , I've been telling my friends about the Silver Pulser Lite that I > bought and am using daily. One of my best friends is a technician at White > Sands Missle Range here in southern New Mexico. He understands the diagrams > and could do the work himself but he's probably just going to buy a Silver > Pulser Lite model like I did! > > Russ is right, it's not going to be as easy as you think. That's why I'm > telling you the Silver Pulser Lite is a good deal. > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hi Brad, I need to clear something up here. Dr. Beck said it costs about the same price as a pack of gum to POWER the unit! That is the cost of a 9 Volt battey. It is unrealistic to think one can purchase all the components for $1.00. Russ > > sotainstruments writes: > >> > >> You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor > >> in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have > >> to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs > >> for your car. > >> > > > > > > , I've been telling my friends about the Silver Pulser Lite that I > > bought and am using daily. One of my best friends is a technician at White > > Sands Missle Range here in southern New Mexico. He understands the diagrams > > and could do the work himself but he's probably just going to buy a Silver > > Pulser Lite model like I did! > > > > Russ is right, it's not going to be as easy as you think. That's why I'm > > telling you the Silver Pulser Lite is a good deal. > > > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Russ, you state that your machines are reasonably and affordably priced, and of course that is your opinion, but nevertheless a subjective one. " Reasonably and affordably priced " is what I call a " reasonable " premium over Bob Becks component list, which came to about $30 for the blood electrifier, if I remember right. But the difference is that Bob Beck was not in business, while you are. I don't know about the financial position of most of the people here, but I know that I am certainly not in the position to lay out nearly a thousand dollars (incl shipping) for 3 machines, much less for 4 sets, as I would like various friends with urgent needs to have access to the Beck Protocol (1 Leukemia, 2 HIV, 1 AIDS). I am lucky in that for me it is not a matter of life or death whether I have the machines or not, while for my friends it most certainly is such. Two are unemployed, one is a low income student, and one is on disability pension. The reality is that your machines are out of financial reach for any of them, so the only remaining options are to build them myself or to find a lower cost supplier (and hopefully they will be to Beck's Specifications). Unfortunately, I may have to settle for the crude design of the humanitarian over the sleek design of the business man. (Why does everything in this world always have to be about money and profit margins? What about the poor who are sick? They don't deserve health?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Oh, another thing I ommitted mentioning that you need to factor in a salary for yourself. Now this is a tough call for you. Remember, " not for profit " . Now, if you do not pay yourself a salary (profit?) then how will you pay the bills? No problem, just factor that in. So, hopefully I have covered all bases so there is an apples-to-apples comparison. You did say " blatant profiteering by the manufacturers of these devices, which clearly goes against Beck's idea that these devices should be provided on a not-for-profit basis. (I guess there's a pharma-giant in most of us.) " . Pretty harsh words . Now, afterall all is said and done, you will be coming up with a price for your own unit. Remember, our SP Lite retailed for $110 and eventually discounted for $50. By your own words, if your price is anything higher than $110 US then you will fall into that category of " blatant[ly] profiteering.... " and having a " pharma-giant " in you as well. Oh, by the way if Dr. Beck thought we were " blatant[ly] profiteering " off his products, why in the world did he endorse us?? Dr. Beck endorsed us way back in in 1996. Dr. Beck and I became life-long friends. I had the distinct honour of officiating his memorial service. Our prices back then were $175 (for the Silver Pulser), and Dr. Beck was obviously fully aware of all pricing. Due to the cost of inflation and other economic issues we were forced to raise our price to $220. That is less than a 1.5% increase per year. For the SP Lite to sell at $100 was a true breakthrough. However, as I mentioned before it did not sell hardly at all. Does that not strike you as odd? Russ > > > > Hello all, new to this group, as I was trying to find people who are actually infected with HIV and are using the Protocol, to learn the experiences, progress, and developments. > > > > I am not HIV+ myself, but a friend of mine was diagnosed a little over a month ago, and I have been searching for answers to try and gather what I can. (The progress of my search is posted on my blog at jaredkenwell.blogspot.com). Eventually my search led me to the Beck Protocol. > > > > Last night I finally had luck and found someone HIV+ who has been using 'most' of Beck's Protocol for 4 months now. Viral load 4 month ago was 79000, and a month ago 8000, with absolutely no drugs. Feeling healthy in every sense and full of energy. He doesn't know if Beck's protocol will actually completely clear his system or not, but he says that even if he needs to follow it for the rest of his life, he won't mind, as he is feeling great. > > > > As far as securing the main apparatus itself, I was discouraged to see all the blatant profiteering by the manufacturers of these devices, which clearly goes against Beck's idea that these devices should be provided on a not-for-profit basis. (I guess there's a pharma-giant in most of us.) So, my current idea is to actually take the component list to an electronic supply store tomorrow and try and secure everything in pieces, find a technician who can put one together for me based on the schematic, and take note of the process to assemble the next one myself. > > > > If everything goes well, I'd like to eventually either create kits or assemble them myself, and make them available on donation basis. To post the cost of building and shipping, and ask those who can afford it to donate more than cost, in order to cover the cost for those who need it but can't afford it. > > > > Obtaining health should not be limited to those who can afford it. > > > > Peace, J > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Thanks for contacting me off-line . It was nice to get to know you better and understand the issues you are facing in trying to get help for your friends. As mentioned, you are a good man with a great heart. Life has a way of bring to us ways to accomplish our goals. Cheers! Russ > > Russ, you state that your machines are reasonably and affordably priced, and of course that is your opinion, but nevertheless a subjective one. " Reasonably and affordably priced " is what I call a " reasonable " premium over Bob Becks component list, which came to about $30 for the blood electrifier, if I remember right. But the difference is that Bob Beck was not in business, while you are. > > I don't know about the financial position of most of the people here, but I know that I am certainly not in the position to lay out nearly a thousand dollars (incl shipping) for 3 machines, much less for 4 sets, as I would like various friends with urgent needs to have access to the Beck Protocol (1 Leukemia, 2 HIV, 1 AIDS). > > I am lucky in that for me it is not a matter of life or death whether I have the machines or not, while for my friends it most certainly is such. Two are unemployed, one is a low income student, and one is on disability pension. > > The reality is that your machines are out of financial reach for any of them, so the only remaining options are to build them myself or to find a lower cost supplier (and hopefully they will be to Beck's Specifications). > > Unfortunately, I may have to settle for the crude design of the humanitarian over the sleek design of the business man. > > (Why does everything in this world always have to be about money and profit margins? What about the poor who are sick? They don't deserve health?) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 It has been quite some time before I have jumped in and voiced my opinion but I couldn't help it this time. For some reason some people feel that those who are in the business of helping those to be well naturally shouldn't be charging for their services and should give it away if not for free, then just about free. Most folks cannot even begin to comprehend what it takes to be self employed , the time, dedication, sacrifice and money are just to name a few. Then you have the whole risk factor of going out on a limb to produce and sell a product that has not been endorsed by the good old FDA. The bottom line is this.. You cannot put a price tag on your health. If you' re going to take care of yourself naturally, you will have to spend some out of pocket money. You are worth it. If you don't take care of yourself, in the end you're going to give it to the doctors, paying for medical bills and prescriptions. The choice is yours! Shanti Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for under $10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well said Russ ...... people don't consider this kind of stuff before they point the finger and open their uninformed mouths. I'm amazed you bothered to explain reason in the face of such stupidity. Well done! Joe.From: sotainstruments <russ@...> Sent: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 4:14:05 AMSubject: Re: Beck Protocol Hi , Dr. Beck made the plans available to everyone so they could make the units themselves. Mind you, you have to have some type of technical skill in electronics to make the units yourself. The plans have been freely distributed all over the internet. Dr. Beck was quite aware that many folks did not have technical knowledge or were simply not interested in trying to build a unit themselves. So, Dr. Beck eventually found two manufacturers that he endorsed to manufacture and make available the units. In doing so, Dr. Beck ensured the units would meet his stringent specifications so folks could rest assured that the units they purchased were indeed his exact protocol. The two manufacturers were Concept2000 and SOTA Instruments. Concept2000 had to shut their business down several years ago due to FDA/FTC and other government pressures (and fears). SOTA has endured battles with 6 different governments including FTC, FDA and Health Canada. It is a miracle these products are even on the market. Furthermore, the units are priced where they need to be in order to continue doing business. The prices are very reasonable and affordable. There is a definite cost to doing business . If the above were not true, then why aren't other manufacturers coming forward to make and sell the units at a far less price? It is a free enterprise market. The fact is, this type of business is very high risk and low reward. Just look at the recent case of Jim Folsom. Jim made and sold Rife machines. Jim now faces LIFE IMPRISONMENT after an FDA court case which Jim lost. In trying to bring out a super-low-cost Silver Pulser unit for those folks who had serious financial difficulties, and for under developed nations we came out with an economy SP Lite unit. We were able to keep pricing as low as possible. The SP Lite retailed for $110 US. Much to our amazement, the unit did not sell well at all. That was a shocker to us. Apparently the price is not a factor for folks. The majority still purchased the original Silver Pulser unit. The SP Lite has now been discontinued. , please take the parts list to an electronics store, and get a total cost for you to purchase the components. Don't forget to add in the cost of the pure silver electrodes for the wrist electrodes, as well as the 8 inch pure silver wire rods for the ionic-colloidal silver production. make sure you specify at least 99.9% pure silver (not sterling silver!!). We use 99.99% pure fine silver. Don't forget the enclosure, neoprene wrist straps, velcor arm-band, cotton sleeves, glass dropper bottle, green scubby for cleaning wires, holder for the silver wires, 9 Volt Alkaline battery, printed circuit board and cloth-zippered carrying case. (Oh, by the way all our parts are RoHS and CE certified.) You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs for your car. When all is accounted for, please let us know your total costs for building one unit. Also, let us know the total time commitment as well. How many hours did it take from start-to-finish for you to make one unit? Once this cost is known, then you tell us how much you would sell this unit for if you wanted to get into the "business", and "stay" in business. Please factor in costs for the telephone lines for you to take calls from potential customers, 800 lines, fax lines, computers, copying machines, internet access, software, etc., etc. Oh, you will need to cover all costs of shipping the units out. Boxes, packaging, driving to the post office, etc. Oh, don't forget the costs for repairs and returns. Now, I am sure you cannot do all this by yourself. Who is going to make units if you are always on the phone taking orders? So, please factor in the costs of hiring employees so you can run your business. Now, what happens if you hurt yourself or got sick and cannot go to work? Better factor that in. Oh, are you running the business out of our house? Hmmm, that is a tough thing to do. You will need approvals for zoning your house commercial/retail. Factor in possibly moving into an office space. Now, since you are ready to make say 100 units, how are your going to pay for the units up-front? Credit card? Bank line of credit? I trust you have collateral? Hopefully the bank believes you are really going to sell these 100 units in a short time. Oh, yes how do customers pay for the units? VISA, M/C, Amex, Discover? You will have to setup a merchant account for each one. Oh, yes how are you planning on advertising your products? Magazine ads? Newspaper ads? Better be careful what say and how you promote your products! Don't forget Jim Folsom's demise. Now, I hope you sell your 100 units as expected. If not, you are going to have to make a decision about your employee(s). Lay them off? Cut back their hours until sales pick up? Now, if sales do pick up, hopefully your employee(s) still wish to work for you. High risk you know. They might not be interested in a job that is so unstable. Hopefully your technician is willing to make 100 units for you. One, yes...but 100? Hmmmm. So, let us know the costs you came up with , and we shall take it from there. Russ :>) > > Hello all, new to this group, as I was trying to find people who are actually infected with HIV and are using the Protocol, to learn the experiences, progress, and developments. > > I am not HIV+ myself, but a friend of mine was diagnosed a little over a month ago, and I have been searching for answers to try and gather what I can. (The progress of my search is posted on my blog at jaredkenwell. blogspot. com). Eventually my search led me to the Beck Protocol. > > Last night I finally had luck and found someone HIV+ who has been using 'most' of Beck's Protocol for 4 months now. Viral load 4 month ago was 79000, and a month ago 8000, with absolutely no drugs. Feeling healthy in every sense and full of energy. He doesn't know if Beck's protocol will actually completely clear his system or not, but he says that even if he needs to follow it for the rest of his life, he won't mind, as he is feeling great. > > As far as securing the main apparatus itself, I was discouraged to see all the blatant profiteering by the manufacturers of these devices, which clearly goes against Beck's idea that these devices should be provided on a not-for-profit basis. (I guess there's a pharma-giant in most of us.) So, my current idea is to actually take the component list to an electronic supply store tomorrow and try and secure everything in pieces, find a technician who can put one together for me based on the schematic, and take note of the process to assemble the next one myself. > > If everything goes well, I'd like to eventually either create kits or assemble them myself, and make them available on donation basis. To post the cost of building and shipping, and ask those who can afford it to donate more than cost, in order to cover the cost for those who need it but can't afford it. > > Obtaining health should not be limited to those who can afford it. > > Peace, J > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Hi Seb,What device you are using, I mean what brand? How many minutes/hours per day do you use anything? What meds were you on? Do you drink CS? Is it ok if you email me your lab report with before and after with CD4 and PCR?From: sebastianmanby <sebastianmanby@...>Subject: Beck protocol Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 3:32 PM Hi everyone, I have been using the protocol since january, my CD4 was 490, as of today it is 40, my viral load went up from undetectable to 230,000 but as of this week it is 73,000. My question is' how do I get my CD4 to go to normal?' I stopped the meds in january, but I feel great, I have energy, don't feel tired, and look healthy, but I get the fungus that grows on your skin when your CD4 is low. Thank you in advance Seb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Thanks ,I'll do this next week, as I'm away from home.Regards SebastianFrom: sebastianmanby <sebastianmanby>Subject: [beck-blood- electrification] Beck protocolBeck-blood-electrif ication@gro ups.comDate: Friday, May 15, 2009, 3:32 PM Hi everyone, I have been using the protocol since january, my CD4 was 490, as of today it is 40, my viral load went up from undetectable to 230,000 but as of this week it is 73,000. My question is' how do I get my CD4 to go to normal?' I stopped the meds in january, but I feel great, I have energy, don't feel tired, and look healthy, but I get the fungus that grows on your skin when your CD4 is low. Thank you in advance Seb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Randy, Stainless Steel cotter pins make good electrodes. Or a length of SS welding rod. To solder copper wire to the SS you need to use phosphoric acid for flux. Use shrink sleeveing over the splice and it should keep the actual solder dry so it doesn't migrate into the skin. Bernie Re: Re: Beck Protocol Watching the Beck videos it would seem that building a zapper is cheap, easy, and anyone could do it easily. It is a very easy project, if you have experience with electronic parts and assembly. My electronics teacher in the 10th grade spent a lot of time teaching us how to solder correctly. Also, with some parts you have to know which lead or pin is + or -, or number one, etc. I built my unit and colloid maker for under $50. Parts were from Mouser Electronics on-line. www.mouser.com. What was not cheap were things like the 99.99 pure silver and the copper wire to wind the coil for the pulsar, and the shipping charges for them. Now I'm building a pulsar so I don't have to use a flash unit. The coil is from Parts Express, $24 with shipping. Were I still living in a large city, parts from a surplus electronics place could make the overall cost much cheaper, I'm sure. Other things that are a bit of a challenge. Making the stainless leads for the zapper. I finally saw how one guy used the tines of a fork. You certainly want to be careful with this so you don't have lead from solder or other metals from the wire/electrode connection getting into your body. When I bought my parts for the zapper, I bought enough for two units. I'll send one to my daughter. She'll laugh and think I'm nuts probably. But as I construct unit two, I'll document the process and post it here. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Kieth, What is the thyroid problem? Is it enlarged? Is it hypo or hyper? Bernie Re: Beck Protocol Hi Brad,I am new to the Beck Protocol Unit, My wife have RA and want to know if the system will work for her. I read your post that you're building a new model for cheaper price. Would you please let me know how it go with your unit. Thank you.Alan> > sotainstruments writes:> >>> >> You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor> >> in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have> >> to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs> >> for your car.> >>> >> >> > , I've been telling my friends about the Silver Pulser Lite that I> > bought and am using daily. One of my best friends is a technician at White> > Sands Missle Range here in southern New Mexico. He understands the diagrams> > and could do the work himself but he's probably just going to buy a Silver> > Pulser Lite model like I did!> >> > Russ is right, it's not going to be as easy as you think. That's why I'm> > telling you the Silver Pulser Lite is a good deal.> >> > - > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 i spoke with the guy in the beck protocol videos and he said that taking meds on the beck prot is ok as long as you only do the prot for 1h a day 2x ie am and pm as then the med could not build up to dangerous levels in the blood - electroporation. monique Does anyone know if the Beck protocol can help with diabetes and also if it can cure a thyroid problem. Both cases would need to stop taking medication if it were possible? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Thanks Bernie! Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 It is under active thyroid im sure. She has to take thyroxin for it. From: Bernie <bernieheere@...> Sent: Friday, 29 May, 2009 15:59:50Subject: Re: Re: Beck Protocol Kieth, What is the thyroid problem? Is it enlarged? Is it hypo or hyper? Bernie [beck-blood- electrification] Re: Beck Protocol Hi Brad,I am new to the Beck Protocol Unit, My wife have RA and want to know if the system will work for her. I read your post that you're building a new model for cheaper price. Would you please let me know how it go with your unit. Thank you.Alan> > sotainstruments writes:> >>> >> You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor> >> in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have> >> to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs> >> for your car.> >>> >> >> > , I've been telling my friends about the Silver Pulser Lite that I> > bought and am using daily. One of my best friends is a technician at White> > Sands Missle Range here in southern New Mexico. He understands the diagrams> > and could do the work himself but he's probably just going to buy a Silver> > Pulser Lite model like I did!> >> > Russ is right, it's not going to be as easy as you think. That's why I'm> > telling you the Silver Pulser Lite is a good deal.> >> > - > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Kieth, What works for a lot of people is simply taking iodine, but she's probably tried that already. The thyroid gland works in conjunction with the adrenal glands, and if the adrenal function is low, the thyroid gland normally winds up low as well. Some people have resolved this by taking adrenal supplements. Unfortunately, doctors don't ever seem to want to check the adrenal levels. There's a ton of thyroid info at: www.stopthethyroidmadness.com. A great site! I've been without a thyroid for about 15 years now, and I learned new info from this site. Being thyroidless is a different problem from low thyroid activity, and I find that the medical profession just does not have a clue about how to really handle thyroid issues. There's a possiblilty that passing a little electrical current through the gland might help, but I personally think that's more applicable when the thyroid gland begins to grow, and the patient gets very hyper. The current typically would work on the thyroid the same as it does on tumors, and would most likely shrink it back down. But it might actually stimulate an underactive gland as well. There are other approaches that I would consider trying on myself, but would not want to recommend them to others, as they're totally untested. Bernie [beck-blood- electrification] Re: Beck Protocol Hi Brad,I am new to the Beck Protocol Unit, My wife have RA and want to know if the system will work for her. I read your post that you're building a new model for cheaper price. Would you please let me know how it go with your unit. Thank you.Alan> > sotainstruments writes:> >>> >> You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor> >> in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have> >> to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs> >> for your car.> >>> >> >> > , I've been telling my friends about the Silver Pulser Lite that I> > bought and am using daily. One of my best friends is a technician at White> > Sands Missle Range here in southern New Mexico. He understands the diagrams> > and could do the work himself but he's probably just going to buy a Silver> > Pulser Lite model like I did!> >> > Russ is right, it's not going to be as easy as you think. That's why I'm> > telling you the Silver Pulser Lite is a good deal.> >> > - > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Thanks for the quick reply Bernie. I will take a look at that site. From: Bernie <bernieheere@...> Sent: Saturday, 30 May, 2009 1:13:41Subject: Re: Re: Beck Protocol Kieth, What works for a lot of people is simply taking iodine, but she's probably tried that already. The thyroid gland works in conjunction with the adrenal glands, and if the adrenal function is low, the thyroid gland normally winds up low as well. Some people have resolved this by taking adrenal supplements. Unfortunately, doctors don't ever seem to want to check the adrenal levels. There's a ton of thyroid info at: www.stopthethyroidm adness.com. A great site! I've been without a thyroid for about 15 years now, and I learned new info from this site. Being thyroidless is a different problem from low thyroid activity, and I find that the medical profession just does not have a clue about how to really handle thyroid issues. There's a possiblilty that passing a little electrical current through the gland might help, but I personally think that's more applicable when the thyroid gland begins to grow, and the patient gets very hyper. The current typically would work on the thyroid the same as it does on tumors, and would most likely shrink it back down. But it might actually stimulate an underactive gland as well. There are other approaches that I would consider trying on myself, but would not want to recommend them to others, as they're totally untested. Bernie [beck-blood- electrification] Re: Beck Protocol Hi Brad,I am new to the Beck Protocol Unit, My wife have RA and want to know if the system will work for her. I read your post that you're building a new model for cheaper price. Would you please let me know how it go with your unit. Thank you.Alan> > sotainstruments writes:> >>> >> You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor> >> in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have> >> to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs> >> for your car.> >>> >> >> > , I've been telling my friends about the Silver Pulser Lite that I> > bought and am using daily. One of my best friends is a technician at White> > Sands Missle Range here in southern New Mexico. He understands the diagrams> > and could do the work himself but he's probably just going to buy a Silver> > Pulser Lite model like I did!> >> > Russ is right, it's not going to be as easy as you think. That's why I'm> > telling you the Silver Pulser Lite is a good deal.> >> > - > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Just as FYI, people who correct their bowel ecology and thus get their toxin load down often find their thyroid and adenal outputs normalize again. Blood sugar too We're seeing this among people who have bowel dysbiosis leading to a bowel flourish of candidiasis. Once the bowel issue is resolved, they can incorporate some carbohydrate-rich foods back into their diet. I don't want 'em to do that, but a lot of people still think of the carb-rich fare as " good food " . Blood sugar tends to modify even with the addition of a modest amount of inulin back into the food, just enough to meet the low end of historic amount that we evolved on. Duncan > > > sotainstruments writes: > > >> > > >> You then need to find a technician to make the unit for you. Please factor > > >> in his hourly wage and time to build and test the unit. You will also have > > >> to factor in your time as well. Don't forget the gas and travelling costs > > >> for your car. > > >> > > > > > > > > > , I've been telling my friends about the Silver Pulser Lite that I > > > bought and am using daily. One of my best friends is a technician at White > > > Sands Missle Range here in southern New Mexico. He understands the diagrams > > > and could do the work himself but he's probably just going to buy a Silver > > > Pulser Lite model like I did! > > > > > > Russ is right, it's not going to be as easy as you think. That's why I'm > > > telling you the Silver Pulser Lite is a good deal. > > > > > > - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Believe me if you place them on your wrists and you can feel the a mild or heavy pulse in your hands the device is working properly. All I use is rubber bands to hold the electrodes in place and it is easy to keep them damp this way. Also you can clean the electrodes clean with a piece of steel wool if they start to get dirty, corroded, or rusty looking. A set of batteries 3 ea for me lasts about 3-4 days. Or like I say clean the electrodes some times that reduces the efficiency of the electrode out put. I have tried the zapper but that is nothing compared to this! The first time I tried this I even told the guy I bought it from Holy Cow! This could actually be dangerous! Ha LOL! Might want to order a spare set of electrodes I have noticed when ever it seemed the electrifier wasn't working often times it was the electrodes or corrosion or the cloth pads were too dry. > > Hi , > has pictures for placement of the electrodes on his site. You'll > have to search for it tho. There's so much information there. > Gail > Re: Beck protocol > > > > How do I know if the BE electrodes are placed correctly? I saw the Sota > > diagram, but it was real vague. > > > > > > << So if you aren't > > getting the results you think you should, it could be as simple a thing > > as getting the electrodes placed correctly. >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 IF these are 9 volt batteries: In typical 3 x 9v battery beck device, the voltage drops quickly below circuit limitations. I think if it drops below 24 or 21 volts the chip fails to operate (maybe I don't really know exactly what fails, but something does fail pretty quickly). Adding a fourth battery in series bumps the voltage to 36, still within safe range for the electronics in the circuit, but can greatly extend life of all batteries in the device. I have done this and it really made a huge difference. see 2 for schematic. or just buy batteries, probably does not matter much they are pretty cheap.. bG > > > > Hi , > > has pictures for placement of the electrodes on his site. You'll > > have to search for it tho. There's so much information there. > > Gail > > Re: Beck protocol > > > > > > > How do I know if the BE electrodes are placed correctly? I saw the Sota > > > diagram, but it was real vague. > > > > > > > > > << So if you aren't > > > getting the results you think you should, it could be as simple a thing > > > as getting the electrodes placed correctly. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Does anybody know if I can use my function generator set at 4HZ and the right amp/volt output as a blood electrifier? (I am going to get a volt ohm meter very soon). I can definitely feel the electricity at 4HZ setting. Even with the amplitude set down. On higher frequencies like 30KHZ or 1.6MHZ I can have the amplitude up ALL THE WAY and barely feel it. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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