Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 It's much better now, at least there are some people willing to stand up and challenge the cf/gf diet Nazi's. When we started, 2.5-3 years ago, there was NOONE but Andy who said that all kids do not benefit/need the diet. As I've said many times before ours did much worse on the diet and I didn't understand it at the time. But there are so many good properties in milk not available with supplementation, for kids who can tolerate it, I now think it is shameful to withhold it on principle. Syd Baker said in his last book that not all kids need the diet and that many kids can tolerate a glass or two of milk a day. We would not have done the diet no matter who would have told us it was necessary, but it's nice to have the back up. Re: Enzymes Nina, Mandi, and others,The "old" days are still here I'm afraid. I have found a DAN I quite frankly admire very much, but when I told him I wouldn't go GFCF again (it would make it the 3rd time) because it didn't help my son anymore and the diet is too restrictive he told me that I hadn't done it right because my son wasn't on diflucan during GFCF!Had he said that to me 18 months ago I would have been devastated and full of self-recrimination. Didn't hurt my feelings a bit now as I know he's simply parroting what he's been told in his training, and, I've learned from the experience of other parents that his comment is just stupid.Anita>> Oh Mandi,> thank you for writing this cos for years part of me felt a total failure cos jack didnt make huge gains on gfcf diet and i wasnt "doing it properly enough".have been on stage 1 of the biomed road for years,and have only recently joined this list .Nina> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 There is nothing wrong with gfcf diet ! Most people of the world ( Asian, African, Amerindian) all have traditionally been using gfcf diet. If you get worse on a gfcf diet, it obviously sounds like abstinence problem, and those usually lasts for at least 3 months, and some do not see the positive effect before after a year, that is how long it may take before some peptides are " gone " . So if you have not measured urinary peptides - you don`t know, and if you have measured urinary peptides, - and there are no exorphines, well then possibly there will be no gain from a gfcf diet, but if you get worse, I would suspect some intolerance reaction to the food you replace the milk and the wheat... Geir Flatabø 2007/1/25, Cochran : It's much better now, at least there are some people willing to stand up and challenge the cf/gf diet Nazi's. When we started, 2.5-3 years ago, there was NOONE but Andy who said that all kids do not benefit/need the diet. As I've said many times before ours did much worse on the diet and I didn't understand it at the time. But there are so many good properties in milk not available with supplementation, for kids who can tolerate it, I now think it is shameful to withhold it on principle. Syd Baker said in his last book that not all kids need the diet and that many kids can tolerate a glass or two of milk a day. We would not have done the diet no matter who would have told us it was necessary, but it's nice to have the back up. Re: Enzymes Nina, Mandi, and others,The " old " days are still here I'm afraid. I have found a DAN I quite frankly admire very much, but when I told him I wouldn't go GFCF again (it would make it the 3rd time) because it didn't help my son anymore and the diet is too restrictive he told me that I hadn't done it right because my son wasn't on diflucan during GFCF!Had he said that to me 18 months ago I would have been devastated and full of self-recrimination. Didn't hurt my feelings a bit now as I know he's simply parroting what he's been told in his training, and, I've learned from the experience of other parents that his comment is just stupid.Anita>> Oh Mandi,> thank you for writing this cos for years part of me felt a total failure cos jack didnt make huge gains on gfcf diet and i wasnt " doing it properly enough " .have been on stage 1 of the biomed road for years,and have only recently joined this list .Nina> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 The problem we had with GF/CF was the carbs and sugar, had Candida and we were feeding it all the while we were on the diet! It may be that the diet can be done with low carb and sugar, but then it would have been that much harder to find food he would actually eat, especially if other known intolerance's are removed also i.e. phenol foods. For us there were no improvements from removing Gluten after a yr and a half of religious like adherence to the diet, so couldn't justify continuing. Enzymes have made the world of difference to mealtimes here. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Hi Mandy, Do you sell sample sizes of these enzymes? I would like to start my son on them and wondered if i could buy samples first and see if he does well on them. Cheers Dolapo (mum to , 3.5 years old and non-verbal) --- Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > In a message dated 23/01/2007 13:41:17 GMT Standard > Time, > emma@... writes: > > Hi everyone just thought that I would ask on here > as to what enzymes > people would recommend. My daughter tried Kirkman's > complete but it > didn't go down too well as she cannot tolerate > bromelain or papain. I > also feel that she has issues with high phenol > foods so any > suggestions would be great. > > > > >>I highly recommned Houstons (I also distribute > them in UK but I loved them > for 5 years before that!) > > AFP Peptizyde for gluten casein, soya, protiens in > general > Zyme Prime (not HN Zyme) broad spectrum, fats, carbs > etc > No Fenol fruits, fibres, veg and those with phenol > issues > > none of these have bromelin or Papaya in. > > Are you on any diet already? Do you do Epsom Salts > baths? > > Mandi x > ___________________________________________________________ New is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Respectfully disagree, ours lost weight and language on the cf/gf diet. Got huge dark circles under her eyes and crying spells increased. Dr. Sydney Baker has written that based on parent ratings 2% reported their kids got worse on the diet, worse. Her replacement for the milk was water so don't think she was reacting to that. She did not have urinary peptides per testing, but still the diet was insisted on by the dan! We put her back on raw milk and whole wheat and within a couple of weeks she looked better, the language was back and the crying spells had stopped. I don't understand it, but people HATE milk, I have never seen a more emotional reaction to any food. But do some research and look at all the health benefits to real milk. I have talked to mothers whose children never had yeast before going cf/gf and then got huge yeast flares. Pediatricians in the US are now recommending that children by 7 months be off milk. I can't think of a better way to guarantee liver problems as the void milk leaves is usally filled with refined carbohydrates unless the mother is knowledgeable and health conscious....this is a recipe for disaster that will create more autistic kids. Even if she had tested positive for peptides we would have gone to goat milk, believing that milk is that important to health. Wheat is easily replaceable with acceptable alternatives but I think it's almost impossible to plan a healthful diet without milk. Re: Enzymes Nina, Mandi, and others,The "old" days are still here I'm afraid. I have found a DAN I quite frankly admire very much, but when I told him I wouldn't go GFCF again (it would make it the 3rd time) because it didn't help my son anymore and the diet is too restrictive he told me that I hadn't done it right because my son wasn't on diflucan during GFCF!Had he said that to me 18 months ago I would have been devastated and full of self-recrimination. Didn't hurt my feelings a bit now as I know he's simply parroting what he's been told in his training, and, I've learned from the experience of other parents that his comment is just stupid.Anita>> Oh Mandi,> thank you for writing this cos for years part of me felt a total failure cos jack didnt make huge gains on gfcf diet and i wasnt "doing it properly enough".have been on stage 1 of the biomed road for years,and have only recently joined this list .Nina> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Do you sell sample sizes of these enzymes? I wouldlike to start my son on them and wondered if i couldbuy samples first and see if he does well on them. >>Samples are only enough to see if he will take them, a few is not going to tell you if he does well on them. If you want a few to see if he will take them mail me at MandiMart @ aol.com without the gaps Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Geir Can you buy Camels milk in Norway? Never heard this before... Luv caroline xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 2007/1/26, Cochran Ladyshrink111@...: She did not have urinary peptides per testing, but still the diet was insisted on by the dan! We put her back on raw milk and whole wheat and within a couple of weeks she looked better, the language was back and the crying spells had stopped. Fascinating ! That is indeed not common... I don't understand it, but people HATE milk, I have never seen a more emotional reaction to any food. OH no it is the opposite, people - and children crave milk, they don`t hate it, not until they discover the problems encoutered by milk... But do some research and look at all the health benefits to real milk. I have talked to mothers whose children never had yeast before going cf/gf and then got huge yeast flares. Sounds reasonable - due to milks immunological factors, esp youghurts (without sugars). Pediatricians in the US are now recommending that children by 7 months be off milk. Due to allergy problems.... I can't think of a better way to guarantee liver problems as the void milk leaves is usally filled with refined carbohydrates unless the mother is knowledgeable and health conscious....this is a recipe for disaster that will create more autistic kids. Citing Sid Baker, if only 2% get worse on gf/cf diet, that is not likely...... Even if she had tested positive for peptides we would have gone to goat milk, believing that milk is that important to health. Still goats milk have casein, perhaps you should have tried Camel milk, that seems to be without Casein...... Geir Flatabö Re: Enzymes Nina, Mandi, and others,The " old " days are still here I'm afraid. I have found a DAN I quite frankly admire very much, but when I told him I wouldn't go GFCF again (it would make it the 3rd time) because it didn't help my son anymore and the diet is too restrictive he told me that I hadn't done it right because my son wasn't on diflucan during GFCF!Had he said that to me 18 months ago I would have been devastated and full of self-recrimination. Didn't hurt my feelings a bit now as I know he's simply parroting what he's been told in his training, and, I've learned from the experience of other parents that his comment is just stupid.Anita>> Oh Mandi,> thank you for writing this cos for years part of me felt a total failure cos jack didnt make huge gains on gfcf diet and i wasnt " doing it properly enough " .have been on stage 1 of the biomed road for years,and have only recently joined this list .Nina> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Don`t think so.. haven`t looked for it. Geir 2007/1/28, CarolineTraa@... : Geir Can you buy Camels milk in Norway? Never heard this before... Luv caroline xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Most traditional diets would have turned milk (of varied sorts) into yoghurt, cheese etc. I was in Nicaragua for a time and the woman in whose house I stayed used to milk her cow every day and turn the milk immediately into cream cheese. It couldn't be preserved in any other way. Sally Cochran wrote: Respectfully disagree, ours lost weight and language on the cf/gf diet. Got huge dark circles under her eyes and crying spells increased. Dr. Sydney Baker has written that based on parent ratings 2% reported their kids got worse on the diet, worse. Her replacement for the milk was water so don't think she was reacting to that. She did not have urinary peptides per testing, but still the diet was insisted on by the dan! We put her back on raw milk and whole wheat and within a couple of weeks she looked better, the language was back and the crying spells had stopped. I don't understand it, but people HATE milk, I have never seen a more emotional reaction to any food. But do some research and look at all the health benefits to real milk. I have talked to mothers whose children never had yeast before going cf/gf and then got huge yeast flares. Pediatricians in the US are now recommending that children by 7 months be off milk. I can't think of a better way to guarantee liver problems as the void milk leaves is usally filled with refined carbohydrates unless the mother is knowledgeable and health conscious... .this is a recipe for disaster that will create more autistic kids. Even if she had tested positive for peptides we would have gone to goat milk, believing that milk is that important to health. Wheat is easily replaceable with acceptable alternatives but I think it's almost impossible to plan a healthful diet without milk. Re: Enzymes Nina, Mandi, and others, The "old" days are still here I'm afraid. I have found a DAN I quite frankly admire very much, but when I told him I wouldn't go GFCF again (it would make it the 3rd time) because it didn't help my son anymore and the diet is too restrictive he told me that I hadn't done it right because my son wasn't on diflucan during GFCF! Had he said that to me 18 months ago I would have been devastated and full of self-recrimination. Didn't hurt my feelings a bit now as I know he's simply parroting what he's been told in his training, and, I've learned from the experience of other parents that his comment is just stupid. Anita > > Oh Mandi, > thank you for writing this cos for years part of me felt a total failure cos jack didnt make huge gains on gfcf diet and i wasnt "doing it properly enough".have been on stage 1 of the biomed road for years,and have only recently joined this list .Nina > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/654 - Release Date: 27/01/2007 17:02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Radio 4 interviewed a British zoo that was going to sell animal dung as garden fertilizer as a a business opportunity. (They are always looking for extra financing sources.) The zoologist claimed he would never use dung from commercial anaimals in his garden as it is full of antiobitics and other things which he felt would ruin his garden. Zoo animals on the other hand were fed "proper" food and so their excrement was much healthier. Maybe there is an enterprising zoo that would be willing to sell camel's milk?! Longleat maybe? Re: Re: Enzymes Geir Can you buy Camels milk in Norway? Never heard this before... Luv caroline xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Yes, good idea, the only potential problem would be the diffence in the diet of zoo animals as compared to 'wild' ie desert-bush(and whatever else)-eating camels... as it has been mentioned that it could be those herbs and bushes growing in extremely arid (?) soil that gives camel milk its properties.. Natasa > > Radio 4 interviewed a British zoo that was going to sell animal dung as garden fertilizer as a a business opportunity. (They are always looking for extra financing sources.) The zoologist claimed he would never use dung from commercial anaimals in his garden as it is full of antiobitics and other things which he felt would ruin his garden. Zoo animals on the other hand were fed " proper " food and so their excrement was much healthier. > > Maybe there is an enterprising zoo that would be willing to sell camel's milk?! Longleat maybe? > > > Re: Re: Enzymes > > > > Geir > > Can you buy Camels milk in Norway? > > Never heard this before... > > Luv caroline > xx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 I guess I should add, any possible camel milk distribution would have to be sanctioned by official institutions. Re: Re: Enzymes Geir Can you buy Camels milk in Norway? Never heard this before... Luv caroline xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 I sent this on Thursday last week but have not got aresponse. Can you help with the info? Your reply mighthave been lost or still hanging somewhere on . >>I did reply - a sample is not enough to see whether they work - you'll need a pots worth for that. Samples are to see if you can get the child to take them, there are caps which can be swallowed or opened in drinks and chewables, let me know. Samples are 10 caps/chews Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Hi Mandy, I sent this on Thursday last week but have not got a response. Can you help with the info? Your reply might have been lost or still hanging somewhere on . I would really like to order this today if possible. Cheers Dolapo --- oludolapo mohammed wrote: > Hi Mandy, > > Do you sell sample sizes of these enzymes? I would > like to start my son on them and wondered if i could > buy samples first and see if he does well on them. > > Cheers > Dolapo (mum to , 3.5 years old and non-verbal) > > --- Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 23/01/2007 13:41:17 GMT > Standard > > Time, > > emma@... writes: > > > > Hi everyone just thought that I would ask on here > > as to what enzymes > > people would recommend. My daughter tried > Kirkman's > > complete but it > > didn't go down too well as she cannot tolerate > > bromelain or papain. I > > also feel that she has issues with high phenol > > foods so any > > suggestions would be great. > > > > > > > > >>I highly recommned Houstons (I also distribute > > them in UK but I loved them > > for 5 years before that!) > > > > AFP Peptizyde for gluten casein, soya, protiens in > > general > > Zyme Prime (not HN Zyme) broad spectrum, fats, > carbs > > etc > > No Fenol fruits, fibres, veg and those with phenol > > issues > > > > none of these have bromelin or Papaya in. > > > > Are you on any diet already? Do you do Epsom Salts > > baths? > > > > Mandi x > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > New is the ultimate force in competitive > emailing. Find out more at the > Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. > http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk > > ___________________________________________________________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new . http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Thanks for that Mandi, how can i get the samples. I would ideally like to try him on the three or should i start one at a time? Dolapo --- Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > In a message dated 30/01/2007 13:06:00 GMT Standard > Time, > dolapomhd@... writes: > > I sent this on Thursday last week but have not got > a > response. Can you help with the info? Your reply > might > have been lost or still hanging somewhere on . > > > > > >>I did reply - a sample is not enough to see > whether they work - you'll > need a pots worth for that. Samples are to see if > you can get the child to take > them, there are caps which can be swallowed or > opened in drinks and > chewables, let me know. Samples are 10 caps/chews > > Mandi x > ___________________________________________________________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new . http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 I forgot to say that i would prefer the capsules thati can mix in drinks. Can you let me know how to orderthis, there is no price/product for sample sizes onyour "MandiMart" website. >>There are no sample sizes, I buy then and give them out its th eonly way to do it. Mail me at MandiMart @ aol.com without the gaps Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Hi Mandi, I forgot to say that i would prefer the capsules that i can mix in drinks. Can you let me know how to order this, there is no price/product for sample sizes on your " MandiMart " website. I apologise if i seem to be bothering you, it's just that i'll prefer to buy samples first if possible. Thank you. Dolapo --- oludolapo mohammed wrote: > Thanks for that Mandi, how can i get the samples. I > would ideally like to try him on the three or should > i > start one at a time? > > Dolapo > --- Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 30/01/2007 13:06:00 GMT > Standard > > Time, > > dolapomhd@... writes: > > > > I sent this on Thursday last week but have not > got > > a > > response. Can you help with the info? Your reply > > might > > have been lost or still hanging somewhere on > . > > > > > > > > > > >>I did reply - a sample is not enough to see > > whether they work - you'll > > need a pots worth for that. Samples are to see if > > you can get the child to take > > them, there are caps which can be swallowed or > > opened in drinks and > > chewables, let me know. Samples are 10 caps/chews > > > > Mandi x > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. > Get the new . > http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html > ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Championship. http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Hi Lori and Everyone, I agree that Wobenzymes are very good but there are even better combinations of enzymes and it is unnecessary to take quite so many. I believe that less is more if that is possible. There have been numerous advances since Wobenzymes were tested to be effective. I recommend " Body Rx " . I am taking this now and can take fewer tabs with better results. These are available at www.hmenterprises.com. The family that owns this business has many years of experience finding and using the best natural products available. I do not work for them but the quality of all their products is outstanding. The phone number is 1-800-742-4773. Certain day of the week a certified naturopath is available to answer your questions. They will not try to " sell " you anything. There are many practical changes you can make in your lifestyle before you spend big bucks on supplements. To Your Health, ann --- bakequery@... wrote: > > I take something called Wobenzym. I started taking > it at the end of July, > 2007, on the advise of my daughter.I have a fatty > tumor in my left upper arm > which I had removed in 1998 but it returned. When my > BP goes up it pains me > terribly, giving me electric shocks as well as > aching me terribly. Also, when > I bump it I get an excruciatingly painful electric > shock from it. > > has studied with herbalists from various parts > of the United States > during an advanced Herbal Apprenticeship with > Rosemary Gladstar. During one of > her study weekends she learned that chymotrypsin was > very good at dissolving > the sort of tumor that I have. I know I will spell > it wrong but the tumor is > called a swhanoma or something like that. Basically > it is a tumor that is > growing inside the covering of my radial nerve. The > pain travels from the > tumor down to the area around my thumb. Because > chymotrypsin is an enzyme > looked at all the enzyme formulas to find the one > that had the most amount > of chymotrypsin in their product. That product was > Wobenzyme. > > I've been taking it for a year now. I got the ones > that are enteric coated. > Not only does it keep my arm from aching but it > also has the added > advantage of taking away my lactose intolerance. I > am not nearly as gassy when I eat > beans now, either. The aches and pains all over my > body have decreased and > I recuperate from vigorous exercise quicker. Also, > although my tumor has not > disappeared it does seem to be smaller while I am > on the Wobenzym. > > Last July I ordered a bottle of 800 pills through > the Internet. That bottle > was $97. While I was waiting for it to come in the > mail I went out and > bought a bottle of 100 tablets. When I ran out of > everything a few weeks ago I > decided it was a good idea to go completely off the > Wobenzyme to give my body > a break for a week. Turns out I didn't have money > for new stuff and then, > (Thank you Lord), found the original bottlewith > some tabs left in it!!! Yay! > That will hold me over until I buy a new bottle of > 800 caps. I was off for > about 10 days I think instead of a week and BOY did > my arm start hurting and > had increased aches and pains all over my body! OH > MY! Also I just realized > that I was not thinking clearly which I THOUGHT was > because I ran out of low > dose aspirin but now I'm thinking it was the lack > of enzymes. Hmmmmm....Now > I'm thinking I probably don't even need the aspirin > if I'm taking the > kombucha because didn't I read somewhere that it > thins the blood? > > If you decide to take any enzymes make sure you > build up slowly to the > dosage you feel best at. Otherwise, you, too, will > became a human gas machine. > What I did was take one cap a day for a week, then > two for a week, then up to > the three that I now take. I keep thinking I will > increase to more tabs by > taking another three later on in the day but have > not done that so far. I > take the caps on an empty stomach in the morning > with my thyroid and high blood > pressure meds. The directions tell you to take 2-8 > tabs 3-5 times daily > depending on the severity of the injury, on an > empty stomach, with water or > juice. Continue for 1 week or until symptoms are > resolved but I take them year > round. > > I think everyone should take enzymes but some of you > may disagree with me. > I think the probiotics in the kombucha along with > the enzymes in the > Wobenzyme have helped me considerably. > > I compared the Wobenzyme ingredients to the > Vitalzyme that someone else > mentioned. I've put in bold the ingredients that > both products seem to have in > common. I am going to order the clear capsules this > time and see if it makes a > difference. > > Wobenzyme contains pancreatin with protease ( > combination of proteolytic > enzymes, chiefly amylase, trypsin, chymotrypsin, > lipase, elastase, and peptidase > which have the same action as the enzymes made by > your pancreas) , papain, > bromelain, trypsin, lipase, amylase, chymotrypsin, & > rutin > > > > > The ingredients in Vitalzyme, which are: > Proteolytic enzyme (protease), > Serrapeptase, (Serratia peptidase), Bromelain, > Papain, Amla (Emblica > officinalis), & Rutin (a flavanoid) > I think the amylase in the Wobe and the amla in the > Vita may be the same > thing. > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ TV dinner still cooling? Check out " Tonight's Picks " on TV. http://tv./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Hi Lori and Everyone, I agree that Wobenzymes are very good but there are even better combinations of enzymes and it is unnecessary to take quite so many. I believe that less is more if that is possible. There have been numerous advances since Wobenzymes were tested to be effective. I recommend " Body Rx " . I am taking this now and can take fewer tabs with better results. These are available at www.hmenterprises.com. The family that owns this business has many years of experience finding and using the best natural products available. I do not work for them but the quality of all their products is outstanding. The phone number is 1-800-742-4773. Certain day of the week a certified naturopath is available to answer your questions. They will not try to " sell " you anything. There are many practical changes you can make in your lifestyle before you spend big bucks on supplements. To Your Health, ann --- bakequery@... wrote: > > I take something called Wobenzym. I started taking > it at the end of July, > 2007, on the advise of my daughter.I have a fatty > tumor in my left upper arm > which I had removed in 1998 but it returned. When my > BP goes up it pains me > terribly, giving me electric shocks as well as > aching me terribly. Also, when > I bump it I get an excruciatingly painful electric > shock from it. > > has studied with herbalists from various parts > of the United States > during an advanced Herbal Apprenticeship with > Rosemary Gladstar. During one of > her study weekends she learned that chymotrypsin was > very good at dissolving > the sort of tumor that I have. I know I will spell > it wrong but the tumor is > called a swhanoma or something like that. Basically > it is a tumor that is > growing inside the covering of my radial nerve. The > pain travels from the > tumor down to the area around my thumb. Because > chymotrypsin is an enzyme > looked at all the enzyme formulas to find the one > that had the most amount > of chymotrypsin in their product. That product was > Wobenzyme. > > I've been taking it for a year now. I got the ones > that are enteric coated. > Not only does it keep my arm from aching but it > also has the added > advantage of taking away my lactose intolerance. I > am not nearly as gassy when I eat > beans now, either. The aches and pains all over my > body have decreased and > I recuperate from vigorous exercise quicker. Also, > although my tumor has not > disappeared it does seem to be smaller while I am > on the Wobenzym. > > Last July I ordered a bottle of 800 pills through > the Internet. That bottle > was $97. While I was waiting for it to come in the > mail I went out and > bought a bottle of 100 tablets. When I ran out of > everything a few weeks ago I > decided it was a good idea to go completely off the > Wobenzyme to give my body > a break for a week. Turns out I didn't have money > for new stuff and then, > (Thank you Lord), found the original bottlewith > some tabs left in it!!! Yay! > That will hold me over until I buy a new bottle of > 800 caps. I was off for > about 10 days I think instead of a week and BOY did > my arm start hurting and > had increased aches and pains all over my body! OH > MY! Also I just realized > that I was not thinking clearly which I THOUGHT was > because I ran out of low > dose aspirin but now I'm thinking it was the lack > of enzymes. Hmmmmm....Now > I'm thinking I probably don't even need the aspirin > if I'm taking the > kombucha because didn't I read somewhere that it > thins the blood? > > If you decide to take any enzymes make sure you > build up slowly to the > dosage you feel best at. Otherwise, you, too, will > became a human gas machine. > What I did was take one cap a day for a week, then > two for a week, then up to > the three that I now take. I keep thinking I will > increase to more tabs by > taking another three later on in the day but have > not done that so far. I > take the caps on an empty stomach in the morning > with my thyroid and high blood > pressure meds. The directions tell you to take 2-8 > tabs 3-5 times daily > depending on the severity of the injury, on an > empty stomach, with water or > juice. Continue for 1 week or until symptoms are > resolved but I take them year > round. > > I think everyone should take enzymes but some of you > may disagree with me. > I think the probiotics in the kombucha along with > the enzymes in the > Wobenzyme have helped me considerably. > > I compared the Wobenzyme ingredients to the > Vitalzyme that someone else > mentioned. I've put in bold the ingredients that > both products seem to have in > common. I am going to order the clear capsules this > time and see if it makes a > difference. > > Wobenzyme contains pancreatin with protease ( > combination of proteolytic > enzymes, chiefly amylase, trypsin, chymotrypsin, > lipase, elastase, and peptidase > which have the same action as the enzymes made by > your pancreas) , papain, > bromelain, trypsin, lipase, amylase, chymotrypsin, & > rutin > > > > > The ingredients in Vitalzyme, which are: > Proteolytic enzyme (protease), > Serrapeptase, (Serratia peptidase), Bromelain, > Papain, Amla (Emblica > officinalis), & Rutin (a flavanoid) > I think the amylase in the Wobe and the amla in the > Vita may be the same > thing. > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ TV dinner still cooling? Check out " Tonight's Picks " on TV. http://tv./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 In a message dated 12/05/2009 11:24:07 GMT Standard Time, recoveringta@... writes: What brands of enzymes are you using for your children? Also, do enzymes need to be given with every meal or just once a day??? Please help! What dosage should I give my 3 yr old son? >>Houston are my favourites, we were able to leave the GFCF diet with them and was our first big biomed wow I distribute for Houstons now in the UK. They need to be given with food to work on the food, TriEnza covers all bases, you can have samples to try before you buy and a free DVD which explains all about enzymes. www.EnzymeInfo.co.uk Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 In a message dated 12/05/2009 11:24:07 GMT Standard Time, recoveringta@... writes: What brands of enzymes are you using for your children? Also, do enzymes need to be given with every meal or just once a day??? Please help! What dosage should I give my 3 yr old son? >>Houston are my favourites, we were able to leave the GFCF diet with them and was our first big biomed wow I distribute for Houstons now in the UK. They need to be given with food to work on the food, TriEnza covers all bases, you can have samples to try before you buy and a free DVD which explains all about enzymes. www.EnzymeInfo.co.uk Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 houston enzymes. Look up on mandimart.co.uk also www.enzymestuff.com great for info (or could be .org) Hello all! What brands of enzymes are you using for your children? Also, do enzymes need to be given with every meal or just once a day??? Please help! What dosage should I give my 3 yr old son? xIris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 houston enzymes. Look up on mandimart.co.uk also www.enzymestuff.com great for info (or could be .org) Hello all! What brands of enzymes are you using for your children? Also, do enzymes need to be given with every meal or just once a day??? Please help! What dosage should I give my 3 yr old son? xIris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Buying limes and brown sugar next trip to town. Next enzyme batch:) Need to find uses for the juice, probably smoothies. > > Hi All > > My new secret weapon. Marie has been posting on enzymes and how to make it forever and I never could get the energy to do that, but I found a cheap source. I wanted a stain remover for my husbands clothes. Eco orange would do it if I soaked it over night, but I wanted a quck fix and sense I buy Bio-Kleen laundry prenium powder. I went to www.drugstore.com to see what they had. They had a Lime enyme. Well I started having even less trouble with bugs when I tried it in my laundry. > > I could hear all Maries teachings in my ears and thats what promoted me to add some into the laundry. Well it helped so I though why not add Dr. Bronners pepperment shampoo too. That helped. Well why not add Epsom salt to see if I can give the little demons diarreah and dehydrate them to death. That sinched the deal. > > Large load. 1 C. of Epsom salt. 1 scoop of Bio-Kleen Prenium plus laundry powder. Has to be powder. 1 Big dribble of Dr. Bronner Pepperment shampoo. = about 1 TB. and I add it to the bleach compartment. I put the salt and Bio Kleen right on the clothes. Don't want to clog any plastic lines running from the add containers on the washing machine. 1 Big dribble of Bio-Kleen stain and odor removal. (that is the product made out of enymes from Limes). That has finished off what little I had finding in my clothes. Now when you do this get fresh garbage bags to put them into. I buy Cedar or Lavendar moth balls. I know they are toxic, but I still have not let go of that part. I cut a small slit on each end of the package and throw 3 or 4 into each garbage bag to further dry out anything that made it or gets in during the putting away clothes process. > > Walmart had their essential oils in the candle section unsale big time this past week. I got a orange, A rosemary mint, a Cinnamon clove, and a coconut Lime. Should deter some of the stuff I have left. > > I started using the Lime enzymes known as Bio-Kleen stain and odor removal. I started using it in my spray bottles on myself durring my shower routine and on bedding. Now that has improved things dramatically also. I do the same thing in the spray bottle as I do the laundry almost. 24 oz bottle 3/4 full of Hot water. 1/4 C. Vinagar, a tiny dribble of Eco Orange, a big dribble of the Lime stain remover, a dribble of Dr. Bronners Pepperment soap. The bio film under the breast is all gone. My lizzard skin started to do better to. I have lotion in a bar and rub that into the skin after my shower while wet. That removed all the painful peeling skin. > > I am very happy for the last couple days. Way way less bugs ever than before. I rarely get that little stinger that I was so tormented over as my last bug. BUT I do have some bug back that is slow, but not to slow. Not the fast butt runner. But still goes up the butt and vaginal. Only when I am in bed. The other bugs only find me on occassion and die off or loose interest shortly. Usually after one of my shower routines. Some of my showers are a short version. > > Usually the evening one. Make my spray mix. Spray head to toe. Rinse real good. Slather heavily the New Hope Sulfar Soap and blow dry the body off. Brush my teeth with my tooth soap and almost ready for bed. Couple hours later lather on my butt and privates the www.herbalhealer.com parisite and fungal salve. Also lather around my eyes, in and around ears and nose. Use Trisha lip balm which has Neem in it. I get extra on my fingers to put around eyes, ears, nose, and on ear plugs. Keeps alot from attacking my face. Very rarely get any attacks on the face. On hatch nights I will get mini versions of bugs on the face and all that goop slows them down and makes them sick. > > Still need to call pest control and find someone who knows about price for gasing my mattress and box springs. I found out shipping bags for mattress are cheap. I could double them up. Tape them shut. Than put the zippered encasements over that. That should finish off the bed problems. Also need to double or triple my vynil covers on the pillows. Walmart was having a sale on Egyption cotton pillows with fiber filling. I am seriously eyeing that. Still want to try the bamboo sheets one day, but kind of wonder about the chemicals they use to holt it together to make it into a usuable material for making sheets. Do not want more chemicals. I wish there was time and I need to do it. Find out what difference there is in processing cotton, polyester, and bamboo. Find out which are the least of the evils in processing. Have to find me some organic stores on line that preach on it maybe. > > In Light Lynn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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