Guest guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 Sandy, Let me attempt an answer. Yes, fish oil capsules are beneficial for RA, but I question how many people are really taking 1 fish oil capsule for every 10 pounds of body weight. Anything more than 6 one-gram capsules a day seems high to me. Try eating more fish instead, especially salmon, the wonder food. Recommended dosages of food supplements typically come from the manufacturer, who likes to push a lot of product, and are often stated as if this supplement was the only one being taken. If I was taking the full recommended dosage of all of my food supplements, my stomach would be full of gravel from pills and capsules. Many supplements do the same thing, so you have to look at the combination of supplements to avoid toxic effects. Back to your topic, it is unlikely that that fish oil capsules caused your flare, but you may wish to experiment by cutting back and/or changing brands. It is likely that your flare is being aggravated by some other food. And yes, the onset of cold weather and rain don't help. Sincerely, Harald At 09:15 PM 9/16/02 -0700, you wrote: >I started taking fish oil capsules (1 for every 10 pounds of my weight as >Dr. Mercola advised) a few weeks ago. I have been flaring really bad, >especially in my shoulders for a couple of weeks now. My husband says >it's the change in the weather, and it may be. But I was wondering if any >of you started flaring after going on this high dose of fish oil? > >Thanks, Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 FWIW, I flare from Salmon / Salmon oil if ingested more than once per week, and if ingested in quantity (16oz +) Regards, Geoff http://www.healingyou.org/ NonRx herbal and homeopathic medicines http://www.800-800-cruise.com/index-aff.html Make money & travel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 In a message dated 12/16/03 8:14:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, gramlin@... writes: > Does anyone take fish oil capsules, and do you know if it's ok to use the > ones from Walmart? Someone on another list said that they were inferior, as > they use rancid oil, As a general rule, if Wal-Mart sells something that other stores don't sell, and it's cheaper, that's because it's total crap. If they offer the same brand as another store for cheaper, then by all means go for it. But my experience is that if they have, say, a car stereo for $30 that a real car stereo doesn't carry, it's because it only works correctly for a month. Mercola found that he and his patients lost all the health benefits they were receiving from fish oil when they switched to Costco, so they switched back to Carlsons. I wouldn't buy high-pufa oils from a company I didn't highly trust. >but how can I find out for sure? Cuz it's from Wal Mart ;-) Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Hi JW: Do you know if the same thing happens if you add high fat fish to your diet? Rodney. --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...> wrote: > I previously said that i was trying fish oil to see effects on my BP. I believe now that it raises my BP a lot. I tried 2 caps per day, then 3, then 6, the result being each time i added FO, the BP went up. I got to waking at 141/90 while still taking my full medication. The up-and-around number was 166/92. In the old days 166 would not be bad for a 69yo, but it's unnecessary for me. > > Good news is that after stopping the FO, it's dropping, so it seems reversible. > > Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 ----- From: jwwright Subject: [ ] fish oil capsules fish oil to see effects on my BP. I believe now that it raises my BP a lot. I tried 2 caps per day, then 3, then 6, the result being each time i added FO, the BP went up. I got to waking at 141/90 while still taking my full medication. The up-and-around number was 166/92. I had not heard of fish oil caps impacting bp negatively. Are there some data, or is your experience the first you've encountered. I use fo, and am using enapralil for bp. Of course less enapralil is always better. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Hi folks: Of course I stand to be 'disproved' on the following point by some unusual individual because not everyone will respond to all health approaches in exactly the same way as the majority. But those with higher-than-optimal BP might wish to consider it: In the WUSTL study seventeen individuals who had been on CR for three years or more, had BP readings that ***AVERAGED*** 99/61. Their BF% averaged ~7%. Considering the fact that they all had different backgrounds; all had different genes; all started out before CR with different baseline health parameters that were not radically different from the ranges of these measurements in the general population; and each approached CR in his/her own particular way, the endpoint reading of 99/61 is, imo, pretty remarkable. But not only remarkable. I believe it has a very clear message about the principal cause of high BP in the vast majority of people. Now go out and prove me wrong by dropping your BF% to 10% and then tell me you still have high BP ; ^ ))) Rodney. --- In , " Ed Sullivan " <Sully@i...> wrote: > > ----- > From: jwwright > > Subject: [ ] fish oil capsules > > > fish oil to see effects on my BP. I believe now that it raises my BP a lot. I tried 2 caps per day, then 3, then 6, the result being each time i added FO, the BP went up. I got to waking at 141/90 while still taking my full medication. The up-and-around number was 166/92. > > I had not heard of fish oil caps impacting bp negatively. Are there some data, or is your experience the first you've encountered. I use fo, and am using enapralil for bp. Of course less enapralil is always better. > > Ed > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 It's not uncommon for my body to be different from the journals. This is something I tried before when I first read that 4 grams of EPA would lower BP - that a cupla years ago. With all the new articles on FO, I thought I try it again. You can be absolutely sure that if it lowered my BP I'd be using it. Even 6 or 8 GRAMS of hydrogenated fat does not do that. I have no others using FO to lower BP. My bro does eat salmon almost every day for arrhythmia, but he never had HTN. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Sullivan Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [ ] fish oil capsules ----- From: jwwright Subject: [ ] fish oil capsules fish oil to see effects on my BP. I believe now that it raises my BP a lot. I tried 2 caps per day, then 3, then 6, the result being each time i added FO, the BP went up. I got to waking at 141/90 while still taking my full medication. The up-and-around number was 166/92. I had not heard of fish oil caps impacting bp negatively. Are there some data, or is your experience the first you've encountered. I use fo, and am using enapralil for bp. Of course less enapralil is always better. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 In a message dated 9/30/04 3:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwwright@... writes: It's not uncommon for my body to be different from the journals. then maybe this one might give a clue about your individual BP mechanism, Jack: http://tinyurl.com/4qz93 Hypertension. 2004 Sep 27 [Epub ahead of print] Omega-3 Fatty Acid Supplementation Augments Sympathetic Nerve Activity Responses to Physiological Stressors in Humans. muscle sympathetic nerve activity "to physiological stressors" is augmented by fish oil, but not at rest... "may involve impaired peripheral vasoconstriction". BP is unchanged for the masses. .. PMID: 15452023 -- Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 The problem with salmon, eg, is that canned fish has tyramines and that plays havoc with migraines. So I will probably never test that. Fresh salmon, I'm am very leery of. Every time I think I might buy some, I notice something like "color added". Last week I saw some "Wild Atlantic Salmon" and then in small letters "farm raised". And I doubt that canned anything has any EPA/DHA. And that may be why people can eat it. When I get arrhythmia maybe I'll try it. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: [ ] Re: fish oil capsules Hi JW:Do you know if the same thing happens if you add high fat fish to your diet?Rodney.> I previously said that i was trying fish oil to see effects on my BP. I believe now that it raises my BP a lot. I tried 2 caps per day, then 3, then 6, the result being each time i added FO, the BP went up. I got to waking at 141/90 while still taking my full medication. The up-and-around number was 166/92. In the old days 166 would not be bad for a 69yo, but it's unnecessary for me. > > Good news is that after stopping the FO, it's dropping, so it seems reversible. > > Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 "Are there some data" Just a cursory look at Medline and I find it hard to select the right search terms. Of the thousands I've read I do not recall any articles that say EPA raises BP. But OTOH, if they got that effect they might not publish it. Later on I may try flax oil again, just FTHOI. But without a biochem reason to take fish oil, or flax oil in addition to soy which has also n-3, I have to believe I don't need FO. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Sullivan Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [ ] fish oil capsules ----- From: jwwright Subject: [ ] fish oil capsules fish oil to see effects on my BP. I believe now that it raises my BP a lot. I tried 2 caps per day, then 3, then 6, the result being each time i added FO, the BP went up. I got to waking at 141/90 while still taking my full medication. The up-and-around number was 166/92. I had not heard of fish oil caps impacting bp negatively. Are there some data, or is your experience the first you've encountered. I use fo, and am using enapralil for bp. Of course less enapralil is always better. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Below ----- Original Message ----- From: jwwright Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: fish oil capsules Last week I saw some "Wild Atlantic Salmon" and then in small letters "farm raised". Yeah. Even here, 80 miles from the pacific ocean the salmon offered at retail is mostly farm raised. The retailers are a little more up front here, however, and label the fish clearly. We stopped buying farmed salmon, and during the tail end of this past Spring season bought a couple of 8 pound whole wild coho or "silver" salmon. $2.50 a pound. They fileted it for us. This has a much different taste and texture from the farmed stuff. The flesh is bright red. But, I also take Ornish's 3 grams of epa/dha. So, I'll do a little with/without testing and see what happens. Thanks again. re sodium: I do keep a close eye on it now. Once, hoever, when I was 19 and piling slash and fighting fires in the high Oregon desert (about 60 miles southeast of Bend) I became quite ill. I had been sweating heavily, and drank as much water as I could but it didn't seem to help. At supper (never too ill to eat then) I noticed that salt tasted "sweet." So, I poured it on and felt fine shortly. I took salt tablets on heavy days or at a fire from then on. I have read that the body does not hold on to potassium, and is stingy with sodium, but do I lose energy when I keep my sodium below 500 mg for a few days. Salt pulls me out of it. I have dwidp set at a gram a day. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 In a message dated 9/30/04 9:48:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jwwright@... writes: I previously said that i was trying fish oil to see effects on my BP. I believe now that it raises my BP a lot. perhaps an interaction with some drug? E.g., not your case, but cyclosprorine + fish oil = increased diastolic -- Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 No doubt dropping weight will lower BP, and I will have to lose BF in the process. But BF by itself is not a criterion. Now ingested fat is, because it raises the blood lipids. And I can keep those down by eating low fat. HTN has many causes, IMO, and cannot be judged by on parameter. Essential (idiopathic - unknown cause) HTN will drive you batty trying to figure out what drives it. If you drop allergen foods, avoid fats, don't have CAD, have normal kidney and liver function, it will still be there when you die. You can drop the pressure, but you can't clear the mechanism that causes it to be higher in people with essential HTN. And as I get older it will rise, so I must lose more weight to stay in a controllable state. The desire to get away from medication is silly, because the measurement taken is at rest and when you start exercising it rises. In a HTNer it will rise more than a normotensive. It's that rise I need to avoid also. No telling what it gets to if I lift 150# over my head, eg, without an invasive monitor. If you exercise test 100 40 yo, about 35% will test higher BP than the others. Actually the diff can be seen even in 6 yos. The few people doing CR in WUSTL or the dome does not prove anything for the HTNer. In fact, in the dome the candidates were probably selected that didn't have HTN or had not acquired the label yet. There is an hypothesis that the mitochondria cell walls are effected - something maybe akin to arteriosclerosis. And one guy thinks DHA causes aging. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: [ ] Re: fish oil capsules Hi folks:Of course I stand to be 'disproved' on the following point by some unusual individual because not everyone will respond to all health approaches in exactly the same way as the majority. But those with higher-than-optimal BP might wish to consider it:In the WUSTL study seventeen individuals who had been on CR for three years or more, had BP readings that ***AVERAGED*** 99/61. Their BF% averaged ~7%.Considering the fact that they all had different backgrounds; all had different genes; all started out before CR with different baseline health parameters that were not radically different from the ranges of these measurements in the general population; and each approached CR in his/her own particular way, the endpoint reading of 99/61 is, imo, pretty remarkable.But not only remarkable. I believe it has a very clear message about the principal cause of high BP in the vast majority of people.Now go out and prove me wrong by dropping your BF% to 10% and then tell me you still have high BP ; ^ )))Rodney.> > ----- > From: jwwright > > Subject: [ ] fish oil capsules> > > fish oil to see effects on my BP. I believe now that it raises my BP a lot. I tried 2 caps per day, then 3, then 6, the result being each time i added FO, the BP went up. I got to waking at 141/90 while still taking my full medication. The up-and-around number was 166/92. > > I had not heard of fish oil caps impacting bp negatively. Are there some data, or is your experience the first you've encountered. I use fo, and am using enapralil for bp. Of course less enapralil is always better.> > Ed > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Thanks, Ken, There is a thing with the sympathetic nervous system. I viewed HTN as one little cell calling for more flow and causing all the cells to be subjected to the higher pressure. Peripheral artery constriction is a definite possibility in many. One way to increase flow is to walk and exercise the lymph system. When I find myself too high, I get on the treaddy and do 3 miles. I've been doing that more while taking the FO, and after quitting the FO and walking several days, my waking pressure is down to 113/70. So it may be the system gets enough EPA/DHA from conversion from ALA and we really don't need to saturate the cells with EPA, displacing the arachidonic acid. And I get 2 grams of that without trying. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: bpinfo@... Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [ ] fish oil capsules In a message dated 9/30/04 3:35:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwwright@... writes: It's not uncommon for my body to be different from the journals.then maybe this one might give a clue about your individual BP mechanism, Jack:http://tinyurl.com/4qz93Hypertension. 2004 Sep 27 [Epub ahead of print]Omega-3 Fatty Acid Supplementation Augments Sympathetic Nerve Activity Responses to Physiological Stressors in Humans.muscle sympathetic nerve activity "to physiological stressors" is augmented by fish oil, but not at rest... "may involve impaired peripheral vasoconstriction". BP is unchanged for the masses..PMID: 15452023 -- Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Interesting point, but one thing FO didn't do was lower BP. If there is an interaction, the FO has to go. It does seem to raise diastolic more than systolic. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: bpinfo@... Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [ ] fish oil capsules In a message dated 9/30/04 9:48:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jwwright@... writes: I previously said that i was trying fish oil to see effects on my BP. I believe now that it raises my BP a lot.perhaps an interaction with some drug? E.g., not your case, but cyclosprorine + fish oil = increased diastolic-- Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Sounds OK, if the brand is high quality. That is important because you want a fish oil that is mercury-free. That's why many here use Nordic Naturals -- very good brand. We use a lot here, so I buy it by the case. (I also give a bottle to parents who tell me about their kids' delays. I find that they are more likely to try it if they have it in their hand already.) Capsules keep longer than the liquid fish oil, which you need to be really careful with to avoid rancidity. No matter what fish oil you use, I would store it in the fridge or the freezer. in NJ > > There's been some talk about the fish oil going bad and how it needs to > be stored. I'm wondering if I'm handling it the wrong way. We buy > basic fish oil capsules (a generic off brand) and we keep them on top of > our pantry shelf. When I give them to Jake, I pierce the capsule and > add it to his strawberry milk or juice. Could this be 'bad practice'? > Just want to make sure that I handle it the right way. FYI, he will in > no way actually swallow a whole capsule. > Thanks, > > Jen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Jen, Please consider switching brands to a pharmaceutical grade fish oil such as Nordic Naturals www.nordicnaturals.com. You really should have top quality fish oil. Bad fish oil results in not only bad taste but reflux and you may not have the best results in general. Store in a cold place such as your refrigerator. This is what I do. Then I take the capsuls out and pierce them squeeze them into a syrenge (without a needle of course) and push it directly into his mouth. Hope this helps, Colleen Mother of Charlie 28 months [ ] fish oil capsules There's been some talk about the fish oil going bad and how it needs to be stored. I'm wondering if I'm handling it the wrong way. We buy basic fish oil capsules (a generic off brand) and we keep them on top of our pantry shelf. When I give them to Jake, I pierce the capsule and add it to his strawberry milk or juice. Could this be 'bad practice'? Just want to make sure that I handle it the right way. FYI, he will in no way actually swallow a whole capsule. Thanks, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Some oils say to store in the fridge, some don't. The safest thing to do is to always refrigerate the fish oils. I think this is what they meant. > > There's been some talk about the fish oil going bad and how it needs to > be stored. I'm wondering if I'm handling it the wrong way. We buy > basic fish oil capsules (a generic off brand) and we keep them on top of > our pantry shelf. When I give them to Jake, I pierce the capsule and > add it to his strawberry milk or juice. Could this be 'bad practice'? > Just want to make sure that I handle it the right way. FYI, he will in > no way actually swallow a whole capsule. > Thanks, > > Jen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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