Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 >>However in regard to veganism and children and the latest published data, here are a few excerpts and thier references... This one is not as new, being 2 years old, but full text is available online if anyone wants.. Adolescent Vegetarians: How Well Do Their Dietary Patterns Meet the Healthy People 2010 Objectives? Cheryl L. , PhD; Maureen T. McGuire, PhD; Dianne Neumark-Sztainer, PhD, RD; Story, PhD, RD Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2002;156:431-437. http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/156/5/431?ijkey=8a7a218332514e3c10\ 68d67511070114e199de25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 You need one more: Considerations in Planning Vegan Diets: Adults overweight, aged >50yo. It's not hard to change the intake. The hard part is getting the body to adapt. The term "nutrient dense" is just as funny as "complete protein". Non-informative. Romaine is not nutrient dense. Beans are. Romaine, arguallbly the best source of protein, has a lot of water and is not protein "dense". Funny that a CRer can call avocado "calorie dense" when he adds olive oil to his lettuce and he doesn't consider that calorie dense. It's very easy for a hard head to malnutrit hisself on a vegan diet, and it's easy to get short of omega-6 on a low fat diet. So enter the con-men/women. People have to possess a fairly high IQ to figure out the "right" diet. I think maybe a vegan has to be trained in a vegan family. I just have accepted that I can't do it without milk for protein and Ca. If I can't do it, I feel about 97.3% of the population can't do it (correctly). Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Novick Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:56 PM Subject: [ ]Vegan Diets and FTT Considerations in Planning Vegan Diets: Infants. Mangels AR, Messina V. J Am Diet Assoc. 2001;101:670-677 Considerations in Planning Vegan Diets: Children. Messina V, Mangels AR. J Am Diet Assoc. 2001;101:661-669 Vegetarian Diets and Children. TAB. Pediatr Clin North Am. 1995;42:955-965Regardjeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 >> People have to possess a fairly high IQ to figure out the "right" diet. I think maybe a vegan has to be trained in a vegan family. I do agree with your comments, and also tonys last response. The real problem is nutrition education/information/planning, regardless of the diet. People just dont know how to eat or what to eat or how to plan meals/diets. And, they get no help anywhere. Most doctors, nutritionists, and health care professionals dont have a clue and suffer from just as much obesity and health related problems than the general population (if not more) . And then those of us who do care about it and make it an important issue, are seen as "health nuts" or "fanatics". Regardsjeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 I'm afraid I've become a health nut, looking at my 16 feet of shelf "diet" books and medical books. Not counting what I have in computer files. I tried a new thing - a black bean burger and it was very good, but then anything covered both mustard tastes the same. We had gone to the zoo with my 29 mo gson and he got cranky (after 2 miles) so we stopped for lunch. Mama got him a fruit plate and he downed that adult fruit plate, along with a kosher pickle and a lemon wedge. I wonder if his taste buds tell him what he needs better than mine do. Something that is lacking in most restaurants is a fruit plate (not battered and fried). Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Novick Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: RE: [ ]Vegan Diets and FTT >> People have to possess a fairly high IQ to figure out the "right" diet. I think maybe a vegan has to be trained in a vegan family. I do agree with your comments, and also tonys last response. The real problem is nutrition education/information/planning, regardless of the diet. People just dont know how to eat or what to eat or how to plan meals/diets. And, they get no help anywhere. Most doctors, nutritionists, and health care professionals dont have a clue and suffer from just as much obesity and health related problems than the general population (if not more) . And then those of us who do care about it and make it an important issue, are seen as "health nuts" or "fanatics". Regardsjeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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