Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 > > What is also interesting is Okinawon's eating > their Okinawon diet have a greater risk for stroke than do Americans > eating an American diet! Go figure???? Does anyone have an > explanantion for this? > > > Salt, salt: " The okinawan elders eat a little too much salt, at > about 7 grams per day, but much less than the mainland Japanese> Don't know why Americans have low stroke rate (maybe CHD gets them > first) or maybe their salt intake is not as high as in Japan. Also > Japanese tend to have low cholesterol maybe that increases stroke > risk. > Yes. The japanese suffer much more stomach cancer and many more strokes than north americans. The common denominator is almost certainly salt. Years ago I heard that even in north america doctors had noticed that people who had stomach cancer were much more likely than you'd expect, to have a stroke. And those who had a stroke were much more likely to also get stomach cancer. There are two principal types of stroke - blockage and rupture. In north america blockage accounts for eighty-something percent of them. In Japan it is still a surprisingly high sixty-something percent. It is lower in Japan because japanese arteries (throughout the body) are far less clogged than american arteries. Given clear arteries it seems that people on CRON are more likely to get the rupture type of stroke. So we should probably make the effort to avoid that type as far as possible. By eating fish as an example, suggested in: PMID:12944100 > The new anti-fish studies posted today - still just raindrops in an > ocean full of positive fish studies. Needs to be more anti-fish > studies than pro-fish studies before I am convinced. Yes. And it may be important to differentiate between fish and fish oil capsules. > > . Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Hi Fran. We all have to make choices so based on what I've read so far and the results of our discussions here I've decided to make the personal choice NOT to eat any fish. While I appreciate and respect your opinions and others here I find no compelling reason to eat fish at all. The calories saved by eating no fish I will apply to eating more phytochem-rich plants. I believe my cals are better spent here. However, to err on the safe side I'll take ONE fish oil cap daily (about 1g lipid). Nothing else (to my knowledge) has been found in fish other than DHA & EPA to justify eating it whole and I definitely want to avoid additional mercury accumulation from all sources. Any level of mercury is not only not safe but potentially detrimental to CRON, IMO. It's a toxin and has no business in the body tissues. Based on what is now known I think I can get everything I need from a mercury-free fish oil cap: 1}I get all the benies of fish, 2)avoid the mercury, 3)avoid the potential increase in lipid oxidation, 4)save the cals and get to eat more antioxidants from plants. As we all know, the benefits of those are well documented. We have only so many allowed cals with CRON so I will place my bet with the plants. For me this is more reasonable (at least until more evidence is in favoring fish). I didn't mean to turn this into a fishy board so my apologies. I simply wnated to get to the true facts about fish. I believe I have! Thanks! > > > > > Please post links to this ocean full of great fish studies you > > possess. I look foward to reading them all and getting back to eating > > fish again! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Now THERE's a surprise. Who would have guessed it? Do you think after umpteenth posts informing us of your personal preference that we can move on? Rhetorical question of course. on 10/25/2004 4:05 PM, freebird5005 at freebird5005@... wrote: > > Hi Fran. We all have to make choices so based on what I've read so far > and the results of our discussions here I've decided to make the > personal choice NOT to eat any fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Rodney, I know low fat whole food vegan diet lowers IGF-I activity.. but does fish increase it?? > > > > What is also interesting is Okinawon's eating > > their Okinawon diet have a greater risk for stroke than do Americans > > eating an American diet! Go figure???? Does anyone have an > > explanantion for this? > > > > > Salt, salt: " The okinawan elders eat a little too much salt, at > > about 7 grams per day, but much less than the mainland Japanese> > Don't know why Americans have low stroke rate (maybe CHD gets them > > first) or maybe their salt intake is not as high as in Japan. Also > > Japanese tend to have low cholesterol maybe that increases stroke > > risk. > > > Yes. The japanese suffer much more stomach cancer and many more > strokes than north americans. The common denominator is almost > certainly salt. Years ago I heard that even in north america doctors > had noticed that people who had stomach cancer were much more likely > than you'd expect, to have a stroke. And those who had a stroke were > much more likely to also get stomach cancer. > > There are two principal types of stroke - blockage and rupture. In > north america blockage accounts for eighty-something percent of > them. In Japan it is still a surprisingly high sixty-something > percent. It is lower in Japan because japanese arteries (throughout > the body) are far less clogged than american arteries. > > Given clear arteries it seems that people on CRON are more likely to > get the rupture type of stroke. So we should probably make the > effort to avoid that type as far as possible. By eating fish as an > example, suggested in: PMID:12944100 > > > The new anti-fish studies posted today - still just raindrops in an > > ocean full of positive fish studies. Needs to be more anti-fish > > studies than pro-fish studies before I am convinced. > > Yes. And it may be important to differentiate between fish and fish > oil capsules. > > > > > . > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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