Re: Re: Coffee - Uh Oh (Greece)

[Guest guest]

Hi Rodney,

I just think that comments on filtered or unfiltered

coffee would have to be looked at closely because the

phrase wouldn't really have much meaning in the place the

study occured. The two forms of coffee normally consumed

are Greek coffee (coffee 'paste' in the cup) and instant

coffee. Technically, neither are filtered... A coffee

pot with filter & grounds like nearly everyone uses in

North America is something I've never actually seen in

Greece -- even in hotels where someone wanders around with

a coffee pot like a North American waitress, you're really

just getting instant coffee.

Perhaps I should note that I actually *like* Greek coffee

& Nescafe... I just can't think of what " unfiltered "

would mean in the study's population.

Cheers,

Quoting Rodney <perspect1111@...>:

>

>

> Hi :

>

> So to clarify, are you saying that the results of the

> greek study may

> only apply to Greece because a much higher proportion of

> the coffee

> drunk in Greece is unfiltered? Thanks.

>

> Rodney.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Here is abstract of that coffee study.. I don't

> see

> > > where they made

> > > > any distinction b/w filtered and unfiltered.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/80/4/862

> > > > Associations between coffee consumption and

> > > inflammatory markers in

> > > > healthy persons: the ATTICA study1,2,3

> > > > Antonis Zampelas, Demosthenes B Panagiotakos,

> Christos

> > > Pitsavos,

> > > > Chrysohoou and Christodoulos Stefanadis

> > > > 1 From the Department of Nutrition and Dietetics,

> > > Harokopio

> > > > University, Athens, Greece (AZ and DBP); and the

> First

> > > Cardiology

> > > > Clinic, School of Medicine, University of Athens,

> > > Greece (CP, CC,

> > > and

> > > > CS).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Background: The effect of coffee consumption on

> the

> > > cardiovascular

> > > > system is conflicting. Inflammation is important to

> the

> > > development

> > > > of cardiovascular disease (CVD), and several

> dietary

> > > factors are

> > > > thought to exert significant effects on

> inflammation

> > > and thus on

> > > the

> > > > risk of CVD.

> > > >

> > > > Objective: We aimed to investigate the

> associations

> > > between coffee

> > > > consumption and inflammatory markers.

> > > >

> > > > Design: The cross-sectional survey enrolled 1514

> men (

> > > ± SD age: 46

> > > ±

> > > > 13 y; range: 18–87 y) and 1528 women (aged 45 ± 13

> y;

> > > range: 18–89

> > > > y). Five percent of men and 3% of women were

> excluded

> > > for history

> > > of

> > > > CVD. Fasting blood samples were collected. Dietary

> > > habits

> > > (including

> > > > consumption of various types of coffee) were

> evaluated

> > > by using a

> > > > validated food-frequency questionnaire.

> > > >

> > > > Results: Compared with coffee nondrinkers, men who

> > > consumed >200 mL

> > > > coffee/d had 50% higher interleukin 6 (IL-6), 30%

> > > higher C-reactive

> > > > protein (CRP), 12% higher serum amyloid-A (SAA),

> and

> > > 28% higher

> > > tumor

> > > > necrosis factor (TNF-) concentrations and 3%

> higher

> > > white blood

> > > cell

> > > > (WBC) counts (all: P < 0.05). Women who consumed

> >200

> > > mL coffee/d

> > > had

> > > > 54% higher IL-6, 38% higher CRP, 28% higher SAA,

> and

> > > 28% higher TNF-

> > >

> > > > concentrations and 4% higher WBC counts (all: P <

> 0.05)

> > > than did

> > > > coffee nondrinkers. The findings were significant

> even

> > > after

> > > control

> > > > for the interactions between coffee consumption

> and

> > > age, sex,

> > > > smoking, body mass index, physical activity status,

> and

> > > other

> > > > covariates.

> > > >

> > > > Conclusions: A relation exists between

> moderate-to-high

> > > coffee

> > > > consumption and increased inflammation process.

> This

> > > relation could

> > > > explain, in part, the effect of increased coffee

> intake

> > > on the

> > > > cardiovascular system.

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > For your interest is the following, for which the

> pdf

> > > is available.

> > >

> > > I would have categorized the curve as reverse-L-

> > > Shaped for the all-cause mortality, which to me is

> > > the bottom line.

> > >

> > > Arch Intern Med. 2000 Dec 11-25;160(22):3393-400.

> > > Coffee consumption and the risk of coronary heart

> disease

> > > and death.

> > > Kleemola P, Jousilahti P, Pietinen P, Vartiainen E,

> > > Tuomilehto J.

> > >

> > > ... coronary heart disease (CHD) ... 20 179 randomly

> > > selected eastern Finnish men and women aged 30 to 59

> > > years who

> > > participated in a

> > > cross-sectional risk factor survey in 1972, 1977, or

> > > 1982. ...

> > > followed up for 10

> > > years ... Multivariate analyses were performed by

> using

> > > the

> > > proportional

> > > hazards model. RESULTS: In men, the risk of nonfatal

> > > myocardial

> > > infarction was

> > > not associated with coffee drinking. The

> age-adjusted

> > > association of

> > > coffee

> > > drinking was J shaped with CHD mortality and U

> shaped

> > > with all-cause

> > > mortality.

> > > The highest CHD mortality was found among those who

> did

> > > not drink

> > > coffee at all

> > > (multivariate adjusted). Also, in women, all-cause

> > > mortality

> > > decreased by

> > > increasing coffee drinking. The prevalence of smoking

> and

> > > the mean

> > > level of

> > > serum cholesterol increased with increasing coffee

> > > drinking. Non-

> > > coffee drinkers

> > > more often reported a history of various diseases

> and

> > > symptoms, and

> > > they also

> > > more frequently used several drugs compared with

> coffee

> > > drinkers.

> > > CONCLUSIONS:

> > > Coffee drinking does not increase the risk of CHD or

> > > death. In men,

> > > slightly

> > > increased mortality from CHD and all causes in heavy

> > > coffee drinkers

> > > is largely

> > > explained by the effects of smoking and a high serum

> > > cholesterol

> > > level.

> > >

> > > PMID: 11112231 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> > >

> > > The amount of all-cause death due to coffee, where 1

> cup

> > > = 100 mg

> > > caffeine, was:

> > > Cups, value (confidence interval)

> > > < 1, 1.58 (1.20-2.07)

> > > 1-3, 1.00

> > > 4-7, 0.97 (0.82-1.14)

> > > > 7, 1.01 (0.84-1.22)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >