RE: Spam Alert: Re: newbie question on fat ratios

[Guest guest]

One very valuable lesson from Walford's teaching is how to evaluate

information. While I expect you will get good and bad readings on the names

you mention, you must ultimately separate the messages from the messengers

and don't take anyone's word for anything. Some very mercenary websites can

contain valid advice and the best intentions don't insure accuracy. Even

many scientific studies are flawed, so it is real work to gain high

confidence but worthy work.

Over time you will get a sense for what sounds right but don't blindly

follow anyone. Gather as much data as you can and filter it for your own

needs.

JR

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From: rwalkerad1970 [mailto:rwalkerad1970@...]

Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:49 AM

Subject: Spam Alert: [ ] Re: newbie question on fat ratios

Thanks for all you comments/links. I have had time to check some out

and have made comments below. Must add that my background

(qualifications, Degree, MA, etc) are in sociology and cultural

studies and the one thing that drives me crazy is too many variables

hence I like studies that can control for these as much as possible.

(A) Jeff Novick wrote " what we now know is that around 70% of heart

attacks occur in arteries that are less than 50% blocked, and most

in arteries where the blockage doesn't even show up on tests. " THANK

YOU JEFF, that actually resolves my original question about the

Felton study. Basically I can forget Felton as I am going down the

wrong path looking at what blocks the arteries and should be looking

more at " the stabilization of the soft plaque deposits, the increase

in Nitric Oxide in the vessels, the resulting dilating of the

vessels and the reduction in clotting factors, amongst others. " etc

(which are all improved with either an Ornish style diet or probably

a CRON diet (which is more generous on fat levels) as based on

evidence from the WUSTL study. PMID: 15096581 that Rodney pointed me

to. Infact it seems that fat is probably the wrong area for me to be

looking at and some new words to me need to be examined such

as " inflammation " and " homosystein " for CHD risk.

( Thanks to all of you who presented you fat/protein/carb ratios,

this has given me a good idea what is the safe zone for CRON and

whether I am therefore straying to much from this.

© Nurses Health Study: thanks for the info about this. An

interesting study but also a mind boggling one. I had trouble with

the few different variables of the Ornish studies, but this is

immeasurably more complex. I don't know how anybody dare to make a

single conclusion from this study as the people being studied will

have had thousands of different diets covering thousand of food

additives, colours, pesticides etc, all will have had some, maybe

lots of trans/hydrogenated fats in their diets and there will have

been a whole range of bad habits from drug usage (legal and illegal)

plus various different stress levels and exercise levels. Such a

mine field of information over such a long period just leaves me

dizzy and not at all happy to make a single conclusion from it.

(D) What I can gather so far is that there are a few, only a few,

factors that everybody seems to agree upon. (1) Eat loads of

veggies (2) Avoid trans/hydrogenated fats (3) Exercise (4) Don't

smoke or use illegal drugs (5) Keep weight and calories quite low,

everything else seems to have various viewpoints.