Update

[Guest guest]

Merry -

I was a SrA...Now an A1C. I was reduced in rank after my first article

15. I also received 45 days extra duty, 4 hrs a day. It is not as bad

as they (command) make it out to be. The only really bad thing would be

if you are in alot of debt. When my wife and I bought our home we only

qualified on my income - so we are not hurting too much now that I am an

A1C.

I refused the second written order last week but nothing has been done

about it. The 1st sergeant says that they are waiting for the Area

Defense Council to get back (she is in court all week.)

Remember, you are not in this alone.

Jeff Bettendorf

AFB

[Guest guest]

To the list,

This is to the person who adamately oposes the vaccine. I am a Air

National guard member. I was once a active duty Air Force member. I

fully support your position! The military (and US Government) don't

have a particularly good record of truthfullness. If you need to talk

please Mail me at: GBOZARTH@... I am doing my own research

on this topic and have no intention of taking this vaccine.

Gerry

Date: 4 Jan 1999 09:48:34 -0000

onelist

From: conver92@...

Reply-to: onelist

Subject: Update

From: conver92@...

Hello to the list,

This is Merry, I have only written to the list

a couple of times, but read it every single day.

Well, my time is just about here. I am supposed to get the vaccination on

Wednesday and am going to refuse. Today I had to go and talk with the Command

Senior Enlisted Advisor for our group, then soon after had to go and talk with

the Group Flight Surgeon. It was somewhat informational, but nothing that I

haven't seen before. The Flight doctor pretty much said that " this " isn't

worth ending your military career over...I had to disagree. He couldn't really

answer any of my most concerning questions, so it didn't change my mind in any

way. He kept comparing that there are so many other things we accept to take

and there aren't studies on them, yet we don't protest it, and this one has

been around for 30 years. I told him that I realize there are other drugs or

immunizations we may accept, but this one is different and it isn't necessary.

Is it true that this isn't the exact same vaccine that was approved by the FDA

in 1970? Just wanted to double check on that. He even said that if we were

in the " Civilian " world that he wouldn't recommend getting it, but we are in

the military, forward deployed, and have the chance of getting exposed to it,

therefore it is necessary. Anyways, he doesn't really think that my concerns

are viable and I should just get it and move on. Needless to say, I have not

changed my mind in any way, shape, or form. My husband and I are dead set on

this whole thing, so we'll just have to go with the flow and accept whatever

happens. My first Sergeant told me last week that I could be out of here in

about 45-60 days. I'll probably get my first Article 15 sometime next week,

then they will send me to a 2 week " awareness " (brainwashing) class. After

that I will get another written order to get the shot. Once I refuse, I will

get my second Article 15 and within a week or so, they will start my discharge

paperwork. She said it will be a General Discharge, Under Honorable Conditions.

The good thing is she understands where I am coming from, so hopefully the

punishment will be as minimal as possible...but I'm not really sure at this

point. Just thought I would give an update on my situation, thanks for

listening. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers!

Merry

(Senior Airman, stationed in Okinawa Japan)

[Guest guest]

> If anyone has more info on hyperthermia treatment for cancer, your help

> would be appreciated!!!

Try contacting Dr. Swilling at 619-429-7002.

He has done some good things with it. Unfortunately he's in Albequequre

NM till sat and then I'll see him here in Las Cruces and I presume he'll

be back in San Diego on Monday.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Do you have a fax you can get access to? If so, I'll fax the pages from

Burton Goldberg's book.

Melinda

www.cancure.org

Update

>Greetings folks

>I visited with and Byron this morning, still has the pain,

>but Byron said he is in much better condition now than when he came, so

>the hyperthermia, I am not sure what to think, time will tell.

>Byron stated that he visited with a few people over there that had the

>treatment before, and also that he also stated that " If I had cancer,

>there is no doubt where I would go! "

>So as far as Byron as concerned, the treatments is a very good success.

>I am not sure what is going to happen, as when is coming home,

>Byron will be coming back on Tuesday, not sure if is going to stay

>or not, if he does decide to stay, I will more than likely be going over

>there to help him get around.

>Byron has to come home by the first, so he will be home by then.

>

>If anyone has more info on hyperthermia treatment for cancer, your help

>would be appreciated!!!

>

>

>Take care

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

PLEASE remove my e-mail from your list. Thank You.

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[Guest guest]

:

Food for thought..... you, the medical physician or the soldier himself is

not necessarily the only people who can fill out a VAERS form. Not

surprising that they told them to hold off. Anyway, his parents could JUST

AS EASILY fill the form out for him, and send it forth. I have a blank one,

if you're interested.............

Randi

[Guest guest]

Be sure to check block 8. emergency room/doctor visit, if it is not checked

they file 13 them. They also need the lot numbers or the same method of

filing is used. How do I know this, I asked about one of my soldiers forms

to see if it made it

Bob

..

Re: Update

>From: Randice1@...

>

>:

>Food for thought..... you, the medical physician or the soldier himself is

>not necessarily the only people who can fill out a VAERS form. Not

>surprising that they told them to hold off. Anyway, his parents could JUST

>AS EASILY fill the form out for him, and send it forth. I have a blank

one,

>if you're interested.............

>Randi

[Guest guest]

Take care of yourself!! I just wanted to say thank you for setting up this

mailling list.

Liz

Mother of Cameron - 12 months - not getting his MMR anytime soon

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I hope you have some help. Is there anything I can do?

Please take care of yourself....I know you will, but know I am thinking of

you and sending you good thoughts.

Lovenhugs,

Sandi Lenfestey

----------

From: Mom2Q <mom2q@...>

Vaccinationsonelist

Subject: UPDATE

Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:11 PM

I just wanted to pass along a message to the list. I'm sorry I have not

responded to any e-mails let alone even read them yet! My new precious

little boy is wonderful, on the other hand his mommy is a mess. I had to

be

re-admitted to the hospital over the weekend for a serious infection. I'm

home now but still in lots of pain and discomfort. I don't know when I

will

get a chance to read all the e-mails and respond but I'm hoping to do some

later this week. Please bear with me!

Thanks,

List Owner

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

My heart goes out to you. I hope you are soon better and are taking some

homeopathy or other treatment you're comfortable with to heal.

Krista

UPDATE

I just wanted to pass along a message to the list. I'm sorry I have not

responded to any e-mails let alone even read them yet! My new precious little

boy is wonderful, on the other hand his mommy is a mess. I had to be

re-admitted to the hospital over the weekend for a serious infection. I'm home

now but still in lots of pain and discomfort. I don't know when I will get a

chance to read all the e-mails and respond but I'm hoping to do some later this

week. Please bear with me!

Thanks,

List Owner

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Well, I tried it (tried my best), and it was killing me. My DR called last

week, my titers are way up, I can feel it, I have active Mono. My brain fog

gets worse every day, and now my head rushes are almost constant.

I'm starting to have a hard time even getting air anymore, I've hit the wall.

So I have to resign today from my job at the bank. I feel so awful about it,

I thought maybe I could finally start living a normal life. I've lost half my

life to this stuff....

MI

Thanks Jerry for that info, I will keep you all informed on my SSD progress.

[Guest guest]

How old are you??

Steve

Re: Update

From: HALLEVAL@...

Hi All,

Well, I tried it (tried my best), and it was killing me. My DR called last

week, my titers are way up, I can feel it, I have active Mono. My brain fog

gets worse every day, and now my head rushes are almost constant.

I'm starting to have a hard time even getting air anymore, I've hit the

wall.

So I have to resign today from my job at the bank. I feel so awful about it,

I thought maybe I could finally start living a normal life. I've lost half

my

life to this stuff....

MI

Thanks Jerry for that info, I will keep you all informed on my SSD progress.

---------------------------

[Guest guest]

33

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/00 8:41:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lisa@... writes:

<<

Carr

c/o General Delivery

P.O. Box 7000

PAFB, Co. 80914-5360 >>

,

Thank you for sharing.

[Guest guest]

That is what my son, received also.

[Guest guest]

I had my seperation physical yesterday... today I saw my

commander, who is suggesting that I be given an administrative

discharge under general conditions. I'm going to submit

paperwork as to why I believe that I should receive an honorable

conditions. I know I won't be gone before 4 April though,

because that is the first date that my Shirt could get me into

the Pre-Sep briefing that is mandatory... I'm going up to the

ADC tomorrow and see what they suggest...

Kris

--- Siobahn <lisa@...> wrote:

>

> Jerry is also receiving a General under honorable discharge.

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

When I went to the Reginal Medical Center here the LTC Dr. told me for over

an hour how bad this stuff (AVIP) was, and then pulled a black 5 " notebook

from his desk that was nothing but Antrax related messages. He advised me

that what would normally be considered moderate to severe reactions were

relegated to minor for the AVIP specifically to keep the stats down.

IF the congressman really wants the truth he needs to supeona all the

military message traffic that has been generated over this AVIP and

especially the directives over the program.

> Update

>

>

>

> Sorry I've been online so litle lately.

>

> Been preparing for the next Congressional hearing on anthrax, currently

> slated for October 2, to be conducted by Dan Burton's Govt Reform

> Committee. We are collecting documents for it, and if anyone has some

> favorite inaccuracies in testimony or other documents--lies that have

> been spread about the vaccine program, for example, please let me know.

> Also, get your VAERS number, and find out how your report to VAERS was

> coded in the database. If it is inaccurate or the VAERS report is

> missing from FDA's database, please let me know.

>

> We are also working on a citizens petition to FDA, regarding its many

> regulatory lapses.

>

> I attended the National Vaccine Information Center meeting in Arlington

> VA the past few days, and presented a talk on anthrax vaccine. This was

> a great opportunity to inform the activist vaccine community about our

> issue, and believe we will get a lot of support from them. I will put

> up the talk on my website.

>

> I am supposed to testify at a court martial in Texas soon, the first

> time a judge has allowed me to be a witness. More on this later.

>

> I will also be speaking at the national JAG conference next month, in

> DC.

>

> I got home tonight and found the last five days of email are missing --

> the server doesn't know where they went. If anyone needs to contact me

> and I do not respond, try my phone, as email has been erratic. My office

> is 207 865-7000 and home 207 865-0875.

>

> We are making progress, but this next hearing needs to be a

> blockbuster! Share your ideas about what will get peoples' attention.

> Also, we need the Congress to have a Republican majority in November, or

> we will lose our committee chair supporters. The Dem on the Govt Reform

> Cttee who will become chair, is very pro-anthrax vaccine and vaccines in

> general, so our best chance to end the program is with the next hearing!

>

> Meryl

>

> Our Anthrax information web site: http://www.dallasnw.quik.com/cyberella/

> To visit Dr. Meryl Nass's web site, go to: http://www.anthraxvaccine.org

> Also visit: http://www.MajorBates.com/ and http://www.enter.net/~jfsorg/

> http://www.jamesmadisonproject.org/importantlinks.html and

http://www.aboutanthrax.org

Anthrax Family Network Proposal http://www.adscripts.com/afn.html

Contact list owner: Gretchen Whitney at: anna_nim@...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/15/00 12:08:51 PM Central Daylight Time,

c1ndysue1@... writes:

<< Tim is sorer today than before. Emotionally, he is pretty angry

today that someone would actually hit him on purpose. The guy that

hit him as yet to notify his insurance company and he sold his car to

a salvage yard yesterday. Guy should be in jail or a mental

hospital.... >>

Can this guy get away with this? Legally? Does anyone know? jessie

[Guest guest]

,

This is great news , I know you are very happy about the progress.

Carolyn

Update

Hi all...I just got back from Kennedy Krieger/s Hopkins with with

some good news. His neurologist feels that 's seizures will be

outgrown!!!!! He also gets to go off the dilantin gradually (will take 6

weeks) and we are switching the tegretol to the timed released sprinkles in a

few weeks.

[Guest guest]

,

Hi although amanda is in inclusion at school, some of the activities that she

does outside of school are with spec needs kids. i think its a nice balance.

A few weekends ago she went to a spec needs camp and really had a great

time. We are planning to get her into a socialization group with spec needs

kids in her age group which meets

every other saturday.

I am really feeling a shift in social skills with kids her won age. I think

they are out growing her a bit and she desperately wants to be part of their

world.

~ Mom to 10 1/2 ds and jesse 6

[Guest guest]

God bless you Cliff. Thanks for the update. Cody,

Asheville, N.C.

Update

> Hi,

>

> I have just had another PSA. It is down to 3.8. Seven weeks ago it

was

> 7.4 and seven weeks or so before that it was 31.+

>

> The main reason for the drop was two 28 day shots of Lupron. I decided to

> knock it down again and start over.

>

> Of course, I was using 3 tablespoons of FO/CC per day except for 10 days

> prior to getting blood taken for an EFA analysis test from Smoky Mountain

> Diagnostic Lab in Ashville, SC.

>

> That is complicated but I found that my diet, watching sources of Omega 6,

> gives me a ratio of 1 Omega 3 to 4 and1/2 Omega 6. It should be a ratio

of

> 1 to 3 and 1 to 2 is better than 1 to 4.

>

> I will go with 4 tablespoons of FO/CC per day from now on.

>

> The use of 3 tablespoons of seeds ground will be the equivalent of one

> tablespoon of oil but more than that , according to Dr. Budwig, may be

> dangerous. Perhaps they have a precursor of cyanide which might be

harmful

> with prolonged use of more than that amount.

>

> I am glad I had used this 7 years before learning of the warnings. By

that

> time I had seen a number of men do very well with the FO/CC and I had no

> evidence of " PCa growing faster " . To this day I have seen no real

evidence

> of that. Had I known of those warnings in the beginning I would not have

> used it and years ago fulfilled the prophecy indicated in the first line

of

> an old song, " I will soon be with the angels in that bright and happy

land " .

>

> However, 3 tablespoons of ground flaxseed, if fighting anything serious,

> would be like shooting a Rhinocerous with a BB gun in my experience.

>

> Overall, In January of 1191 I was dxd with advanced PCa at age 69. I had

a

> PSA of 75 and it had metastasized to the lymph glands but not the bones.

At

> that time the the hospital lab where I was tested did not do Gleason

scores

> but the Doctor told me recently it would be in the 7-8 range.

>

> Two years later The Uroligist told me that " You are one of the lucky ones.

> Most men with the condition you had don't make it six months.

>

> A few weeks ago this doctor told me that he hadn't kept close contact

since

> I had decided to go my own way but he said that I was doing well, looked

> great and he couldn't argue with what I had been doing.

>

> I am now 80 years and 3 weeks old. Right now tests are normal.

>

> I am going to use for the next 6 weeks:

>

> 4 Tablespoons of FO/CC

> Alpha Lipoic Acid

> Green Tea

> 3000 mg beta glucan

> 9000 mg vitamin C

> [i simply can't afford all of protocol 1]

>

>

> In August of '94, while still on Lupron, the PSA began doubling every w

> months.

>

> I was using some FO/CC.

>

> I quit the Lupron on Oct. 13 1995. The only treatment I have done since

> then, 6 years and three months was various combinations of FO/CC and some

> enzymes plus 4 28 day shots of Lupron.

>

> If the only reason why I am where I am today is that four shots of Lupron

it

> is truly wonderful stuff.

>

> I would be happy to forward my history to anyone who would like it.

>

> I am realizing more and more that the result of anything anyone does is

> affected by a lot of factors, including the various degrees of

> aggressiveness of the 30 or more strains of PCa.

>

> I just read where Leibowicz is not having universal success with

> Intermittent Blockade where there is aggressive cancers

>

> Over 11 years other mutations could have occurred. Mine may be more

> aggressive now than at the beginning. Anyway, we are learning.

>

> Cliff

>

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cliff, nice going--congratulations. Just curious, what is FO/CC?

Thanks and regards

Cesar

Update

> Hi,

>

> I have just had another PSA. It is down to 3.8. Seven weeks ago it

was

> 7.4 and seven weeks or so before that it was 31.+

>

> The main reason for the drop was two 28 day shots of Lupron. I decided to

> knock it down again and start over.

>

> Of course, I was using 3 tablespoons of FO/CC per day except for 10 days

> prior to getting blood taken for an EFA analysis test from Smoky Mountain

> Diagnostic Lab in Ashville, SC.

>

> That is complicated but I found that my diet, watching sources of Omega 6,

> gives me a ratio of 1 Omega 3 to 4 and1/2 Omega 6. It should be a ratio

of

> 1 to 3 and 1 to 2 is better than 1 to 4.

>

> I will go with 4 tablespoons of FO/CC per day from now on.

>

> The use of 3 tablespoons of seeds ground will be the equivalent of one

> tablespoon of oil but more than that , according to Dr. Budwig, may be

> dangerous. Perhaps they have a precursor of cyanide which might be

harmful

> with prolonged use of more than that amount.

>

> I am glad I had used this 7 years before learning of the warnings. By

that

> time I had seen a number of men do very well with the FO/CC and I had no

> evidence of " PCa growing faster " . To this day I have seen no real

evidence

> of that. Had I known of those warnings in the beginning I would not have

> used it and years ago fulfilled the prophecy indicated in the first line

of

> an old song, " I will soon be with the angels in that bright and happy

land " .

>

> However, 3 tablespoons of ground flaxseed, if fighting anything serious,

> would be like shooting a Rhinocerous with a BB gun in my experience.

>

> Overall, In January of 1191 I was dxd with advanced PCa at age 69. I had

a

> PSA of 75 and it had metastasized to the lymph glands but not the bones.

At

> that time the the hospital lab where I was tested did not do Gleason

scores

> but the Doctor told me recently it would be in the 7-8 range.

>

> Two years later The Uroligist told me that " You are one of the lucky ones.

> Most men with the condition you had don't make it six months.

>

> A few weeks ago this doctor told me that he hadn't kept close contact

since

> I had decided to go my own way but he said that I was doing well, looked

> great and he couldn't argue with what I had been doing.

>

> I am now 80 years and 3 weeks old. Right now tests are normal.

>

> I am going to use for the next 6 weeks:

>

> 4 Tablespoons of FO/CC

> Alpha Lipoic Acid

> Green Tea

> 3000 mg beta glucan

> 9000 mg vitamin C

> [i simply can't afford all of protocol 1]

>

>

> In August of '94, while still on Lupron, the PSA began doubling every w

> months.

>

> I was using some FO/CC.

>

> I quit the Lupron on Oct. 13 1995. The only treatment I have done since

> then, 6 years and three months was various combinations of FO/CC and some

> enzymes plus 4 28 day shots of Lupron.

>

> If the only reason why I am where I am today is that four shots of Lupron

it

> is truly wonderful stuff.

>

> I would be happy to forward my history to anyone who would like it.

>

> I am realizing more and more that the result of anything anyone does is

> affected by a lot of factors, including the various degrees of

> aggressiveness of the 30 or more strains of PCa.

>

> I just read where Leibowicz is not having universal success with

> Intermittent Blockade where there is aggressive cancers

>

> Over 11 years other mutations could have occurred. Mine may be more

> aggressive now than at the beginning. Anyway, we are learning.

>

> Cliff

>

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cliff,

Do you take 3 large tbsp. of Flaxseed Oil/Cottage Cheese mix each

morning and night? Are you using Low-Fat Cottage Cheese or Regular, and

why? Is Cod Liver Oil your source of Omega-6? How much of it do you take

daily, or should you take? What is the Alpha Lipoic Acid for?

Thanks for all your help,

Cody.

Update

> Hi,

>

> I have just had another PSA. It is down to 3.8. Seven weeks ago it

was

> 7.4 and seven weeks or so before that it was 31.+

>

> The main reason for the drop was two 28 day shots of Lupron. I decided to

> knock it down again and start over.

>

> Of course, I was using 3 tablespoons of FO/CC per day except for 10 days

> prior to getting blood taken for an EFA analysis test from Smoky Mountain

> Diagnostic Lab in Ashville, SC.

>

> That is complicated but I found that my diet, watching sources of Omega 6,

> gives me a ratio of 1 Omega 3 to 4 and1/2 Omega 6. It should be a ratio

of

> 1 to 3 and 1 to 2 is better than 1 to 4.

>

> I will go with 4 tablespoons of FO/CC per day from now on.

>

> The use of 3 tablespoons of seeds ground will be the equivalent of one

> tablespoon of oil but more than that , according to Dr. Budwig, may be

> dangerous. Perhaps they have a precursor of cyanide which might be

harmful

> with prolonged use of more than that amount.

>

> I am glad I had used this 7 years before learning of the warnings. By

that

> time I had seen a number of men do very well with the FO/CC and I had no

> evidence of " PCa growing faster " . To this day I have seen no real

evidence

> of that. Had I known of those warnings in the beginning I would not have

> used it and years ago fulfilled the prophecy indicated in the first line

of

> an old song, " I will soon be with the angels in that bright and happy

land " .

>

> However, 3 tablespoons of ground flaxseed, if fighting anything serious,

> would be like shooting a Rhinocerous with a BB gun in my experience.

>

> Overall, In January of 1191 I was dxd with advanced PCa at age 69. I had

a

> PSA of 75 and it had metastasized to the lymph glands but not the bones.

At

> that time the the hospital lab where I was tested did not do Gleason

scores

> but the Doctor told me recently it would be in the 7-8 range.

>

> Two years later The Uroligist told me that " You are one of the lucky ones.

> Most men with the condition you had don't make it six months.

>

> A few weeks ago this doctor told me that he hadn't kept close contact

since

> I had decided to go my own way but he said that I was doing well, looked

> great and he couldn't argue with what I had been doing.

>

> I am now 80 years and 3 weeks old. Right now tests are normal.

>

> I am going to use for the next 6 weeks:

>

> 4 Tablespoons of FO/CC

> Alpha Lipoic Acid

> Green Tea

> 3000 mg beta glucan

> 9000 mg vitamin C

> [i simply can't afford all of protocol 1]

>

>

> In August of '94, while still on Lupron, the PSA began doubling every w

> months.

>

> I was using some FO/CC.

>

> I quit the Lupron on Oct. 13 1995. The only treatment I have done since

> then, 6 years and three months was various combinations of FO/CC and some

> enzymes plus 4 28 day shots of Lupron.

>

> If the only reason why I am where I am today is that four shots of Lupron

it

> is truly wonderful stuff.

>

> I would be happy to forward my history to anyone who would like it.

>

> I am realizing more and more that the result of anything anyone does is

> affected by a lot of factors, including the various degrees of

> aggressiveness of the 30 or more strains of PCa.

>

> I just read where Leibowicz is not having universal success with

> Intermittent Blockade where there is aggressive cancers

>

> Over 11 years other mutations could have occurred. Mine may be more

> aggressive now than at the beginning. Anyway, we are learning.

>

> Cliff

>

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I must have erred somewhere. Actually, what I am doing now is taking 4 big

tablespoons [in the South a lot of times they call tablespoons what people

in the North call soupspoons-- which is half a big tablespoon] with 3/4 cup

of cottage cheese. I mix it and take half in the morning and half at night.

I was mistaken on the other supplement. It is not Alpha Lipoic acid, which

I understand is good, but CLA, Conjgated Linoleic Acid, which makes the mix

more effective.

As far as Omega 6 is concerned, there is no need to be concerned. The

problem is that our normal diets give us way too much as it is. The need

for the Omega 3 in Flax oil is to balance the Omega 6 that we normally get.

Cliff

Re: Update

>Cliff,

> Do you take 3 large tbsp. of Flaxseed Oil/Cottage Cheese mix each

>morning and night? Are you using Low-Fat Cottage Cheese or Regular, and

>why? Is Cod Liver Oil your source of Omega-6? How much of it do you take

>daily, or should you take? What is the Alpha Lipoic Acid for?

> Thanks for all your help,

> Cody.

>

>

>

>

>

> Update

>

>

>> Hi,

>>

>> I have just had another PSA. It is down to 3.8. Seven weeks ago it

>was

>> 7.4 and seven weeks or so before that it was 31.+

>>

>> The main reason for the drop was two 28 day shots of Lupron. I decided

to

>> knock it down again and start over.

>>

>> Of course, I was using 3 tablespoons of FO/CC per day except for 10 days

>> prior to getting blood taken for an EFA analysis test from Smoky Mountain

>> Diagnostic Lab in Ashville, SC.

>>

>> That is complicated but I found that my diet, watching sources of Omega

6,

>> gives me a ratio of 1 Omega 3 to 4 and1/2 Omega 6. It should be a ratio

>of

>> 1 to 3 and 1 to 2 is better than 1 to 4.

>>

>> I will go with 4 tablespoons of FO/CC per day from now on.

>>

>> The use of 3 tablespoons of seeds ground will be the equivalent of one

>> tablespoon of oil but more than that , according to Dr. Budwig, may be

>> dangerous. Perhaps they have a precursor of cyanide which might be

>harmful

>> with prolonged use of more than that amount.

>>

>> I am glad I had used this 7 years before learning of the warnings. By

>that

>> time I had seen a number of men do very well with the FO/CC and I had no

>> evidence of " PCa growing faster " . To this day I have seen no real

>evidence

>> of that. Had I known of those warnings in the beginning I would not have

>> used it and years ago fulfilled the prophecy indicated in the first line

>of

>> an old song, " I will soon be with the angels in that bright and happy

>land " .

>>

>> However, 3 tablespoons of ground flaxseed, if fighting anything serious,

>> would be like shooting a Rhinocerous with a BB gun in my experience.

>>

>> Overall, In January of 1191 I was dxd with advanced PCa at age 69. I had

>a

>> PSA of 75 and it had metastasized to the lymph glands but not the bones.

>At

>> that time the the hospital lab where I was tested did not do Gleason

>scores

>> but the Doctor told me recently it would be in the 7-8 range.

>>

>> Two years later The Uroligist told me that " You are one of the lucky

ones.

>> Most men with the condition you had don't make it six months.

>>

>> A few weeks ago this doctor told me that he hadn't kept close contact

>since

>> I had decided to go my own way but he said that I was doing well, looked

>> great and he couldn't argue with what I had been doing.

>>

>> I am now 80 years and 3 weeks old. Right now tests are normal.

>>

>> I am going to use for the next 6 weeks:

>>

>> 4 Tablespoons of FO/CC

>> Alpha Lipoic Acid

>> Green Tea

>> 3000 mg beta glucan

>> 9000 mg vitamin C

>> [i simply can't afford all of protocol 1]

>>

>>

>> In August of '94, while still on Lupron, the PSA began doubling every w

>> months.

>>

>> I was using some FO/CC.

>>

>> I quit the Lupron on Oct. 13 1995. The only treatment I have done since

>> then, 6 years and three months was various combinations of FO/CC and some

>> enzymes plus 4 28 day shots of Lupron.

>>

>> If the only reason why I am where I am today is that four shots of Lupron

>it

>> is truly wonderful stuff.

>>

>> I would be happy to forward my history to anyone who would like it.

>>

>> I am realizing more and more that the result of anything anyone does is

>> affected by a lot of factors, including the various degrees of

>> aggressiveness of the 30 or more strains of PCa.

>>

>> I just read where Leibowicz is not having universal success with

>> Intermittent Blockade where there is aggressive cancers

>>

>> Over 11 years other mutations could have occurred. Mine may be more

>> aggressive now than at the beginning. Anyway, we are learning.

>>

>> Cliff

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

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>>

[Guest guest]

Their are more recent articles on CLA in the search engines but I found this

interesting in case anyone were to increase linoleic acid without first looking

into it. That could be a mistake. This page did not go into detail about how

much CLA would be beneficial, maybe Cliff has more details on that aspect.

http://www.acsh.org/Publications/Priorities/0804/cla.html

Whence CLA?

The term " conjugated linoleic acid " refers to a group of several variants of

linoleic acid (also called octadecadienoic acid), an essential fatty acid.

Variants of linoleic acid differ from one another in the type and arrangement of

their chemical bonds. The specific structure of CLA's chemical bonds is crucial

to the compound's ability to fight cancer; at high levels, linoleic acid, whose

chemical structure is slightly different, increases cancer growth in lab

animals. Researchers are excited about CLA because it is anticarcinogenic at

much lower dosages than are many other naturally occurring anticarcinogens. It

is effective in animals at dietary levels as low as .05 percent. According to

researchers at the October 1996 Cornell Nutrition Conference, the normal human

intake of CLA from dairy products provides about one third of the level of CLA

shown to afford cancer protection in experimental animal models.

Update

>

>

>> Hi,

>>

>> I have just had another PSA. It is down to 3.8. Seven weeks ago it

>was

>> 7.4 and seven weeks or so before that it was 31.+

>>

>> The main reason for the drop was two 28 day shots of Lupron. I decided

to

>> knock it down again and start over.

>>

>> Of course, I was using 3 tablespoons of FO/CC per day except for 10 days

>> prior to getting blood taken for an EFA analysis test from Smoky Mountain

>> Diagnostic Lab in Ashville, SC.

>>

>> That is complicated but I found that my diet, watching sources of Omega

6,

>> gives me a ratio of 1 Omega 3 to 4 and1/2 Omega 6. It should be a ratio

>of

>> 1 to 3 and 1 to 2 is better than 1 to 4.

>>

>> I will go with 4 tablespoons of FO/CC per day from now on.

>>

>> The use of 3 tablespoons of seeds ground will be the equivalent of one

>> tablespoon of oil but more than that , according to Dr. Budwig, may be

>> dangerous. Perhaps they have a precursor of cyanide which might be

>harmful

>> with prolonged use of more than that amount.

>>

>> I am glad I had used this 7 years before learning of the warnings. By

>that

>> time I had seen a number of men do very well with the FO/CC and I had no

>> evidence of " PCa growing faster " . To this day I have seen no real

>evidence

>> of that. Had I known of those warnings in the beginning I would not have

>> used it and years ago fulfilled the prophecy indicated in the first line

>of

>> an old song, " I will soon be with the angels in that bright and happy

>land " .

>>

>> However, 3 tablespoons of ground flaxseed, if fighting anything serious,

>> would be like shooting a Rhinocerous with a BB gun in my experience.

>>

>> Overall, In January of 1191 I was dxd with advanced PCa at age 69. I had

>a

>> PSA of 75 and it had metastasized to the lymph glands but not the bones.

>At

>> that time the the hospital lab where I was tested did not do Gleason

>scores

>> but the Doctor told me recently it would be in the 7-8 range.

>>

>> Two years later The Uroligist told me that " You are one of the lucky

ones.

>> Most men with the condition you had don't make it six months.

>>

>> A few weeks ago this doctor told me that he hadn't kept close contact

>since

>> I had decided to go my own way but he said that I was doing well, looked

>> great and he couldn't argue with what I had been doing.

>>

>> I am now 80 years and 3 weeks old. Right now tests are normal.

>>

>> I am going to use for the next 6 weeks:

>>

>> 4 Tablespoons of FO/CC

>> Alpha Lipoic Acid

>> Green Tea

>> 3000 mg beta glucan

>> 9000 mg vitamin C

>> [i simply can't afford all of protocol 1]

>>

>>

>> In August of '94, while still on Lupron, the PSA began doubling every w

>> months.

>>

>> I was using some FO/CC.

>>

>> I quit the Lupron on Oct. 13 1995. The only treatment I have done since

>> then, 6 years and three months was various combinations of FO/CC and some

>> enzymes plus 4 28 day shots of Lupron.

>>

>> If the only reason why I am where I am today is that four shots of Lupron

>it

>> is truly wonderful stuff.

>>

>> I would be happy to forward my history to anyone who would like it.

>>

>> I am realizing more and more that the result of anything anyone does is

>> affected by a lot of factors, including the various degrees of

>> aggressiveness of the 30 or more strains of PCa.

>>

>> I just read where Leibowicz is not having universal success with

>> Intermittent Blockade where there is aggressive cancers

>>

>> Over 11 years other mutations could have occurred. Mine may be more

>> aggressive now than at the beginning. Anyway, we are learning.

>>

>> Cliff

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

>Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

>visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>>

>>