Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Hi , and thanks. Well, the icing on the cake to my story is that in the middle of this depression, in Sept. 07, I was dx with Multiple Sclerosis. Yes, God does play funny jokes. So, in attempting to fight the MS, I DID go gluten-free, dairy-free, soy-free, legume-free approx. 1 year ago. It didn't make a difference in my depression, though. The last month or so, I have cut out all flour, grains, low-carb, etc. I think, in combo with the new meds, I am feeling even better than with just the meds. So, maybe, at some point in the future, I will be able to wean off some of the meds. I take Cymbalta with Geodon added. For you to have gotten off Cymbalta is a great feat and I applaud you. I know it wasn't easy. Beverly > > Beverly, > Since I have gone gluten free I have no more depression. It took about 3 to 4 months but I no longer take my cymbalta. > What a diffference in the way I felt taking gluten out of my life. Maybe you should try it. > from Illinois > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Beverly53 <beebie10@...> > iodine > Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:24:54 PM > Subject: Re: update > > > I have been on a roller-coaster with SSRI's since 1995. A doctor intimidated me during a time when I was vulnerable and full of grief and anger and sadness, and instead of helping me with the problem, he pushed Prozac on me. > > I haven't been the same since. > > After 2 years they stopped " doing their thing " and I ended up severely depressed (clinically depressed vs. the sadness I had experienced prior to the Prozac). It " did " something to my brain. I ended up in the hospital. > > After a few different trials, I ended up on Paxil, which I took until 2005, when IT TOO " stopped working. " I went into such a severe depression, I had to quit work. Was hospitalized twice. I was suicidal. No medication was working now. I tried dozens. Had ECT (shock treatments). Nothing worked. > > A new doctor finally, just this past December, came up with a new combo of meds that appears to be helping me (otherwise, I wouldn't even be typing this right now). > > During these last 5 years of this severe depression, I tried every natural thing under the sun. Seriously. Lots of them and in huge quantities. I consulted with Naturopaths. I did Acupuncture. Nothing worked and I BELIEVE it's because the SSRI did permanent damage to my neurotransmitter system in my brain. Just my opinion, based on what I experienced and my gut. > > But I was never really depressed before I went on the Prozac in the first place. AFTER, THAT was real depression. I now know the difference. > > If I could get off these meds, I would, believe me. But I have yet to find a natural alternative that works for me. > > I warn people not to go on SSRI's frivolously. If you are just " down " do not let your doctor talk you into taking an Anti-depressant. They are horrible and even when they don't work, you cannot just go off them because you have become dependent on them and go through serious withdrawal from them. > > Guess I'm ranting now. Sorry. Thanks for listening. I'm feeling good now, knock on wood, but the last 5 years were hell. > > On a technical note: L-Tryptophan is the amino acid that is the precursor to Serotonin. Your body takes the L-Tryptophan and converts it to the 5-HTP. So, when you buy and take 5-HTP (which somehow they have managed to get from a plant source), you are just by-passing that first conversion your body would have to do. So it is better than the L-Tryptophan. > > And also, did you know that the largest portion of your neurotransmitters are found in your intestinal tract? (not your brain). So any problem you may have in that area can affect your mood. IBS, Crohn's, Colitis, diarrhea, constipation, leaky gut syndrome, etc. > > Beverly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Heck no it wasn't easy butI did it. I take so many meds as itis I need to decrease the consumption of them. Hang in there it'll get better. from IllinoisFrom: Beverly53 <beebie10@...>iodine Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 5:06:20 PMSubject: Re: update  Hi , and thanks. Well, the icing on the cake to my story is that in the middle of this depression, in Sept. 07, I was dx with Multiple Sclerosis. Yes, God does play funny jokes. So, in attempting to fight the MS, I DID go gluten-free, dairy-free, soy-free, legume-free approx. 1 year ago. It didn't make a difference in my depression, though. The last month or so, I have cut out all flour, grains, low-carb, etc. I think, in combo with the new meds, I am feeling even better than with just the meds. So, maybe, at some point in the future, I will be able to wean off some of the meds. I take Cymbalta with Geodon added. For you to have gotten off Cymbalta is a great feat and I applaud you. I know it wasn't easy. Beverly > > Beverly, > Since I have gone gluten free I have no more depression. It took about 3 to 4 months but I no longer take my cymbalta. > What a diffference in the way I felt taking gluten out of my life. Maybe you should try it. > from Illinois > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Beverly53 <beebie10@.. .> > iodinegroups (DOT) com > Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:24:54 PM > Subject: Re: update > > > I have been on a roller-coaster with SSRI's since 1995. A doctor intimidated me during a time when I was vulnerable and full of grief and anger and sadness, and instead of helping me with the problem, he pushed Prozac on me. > > I haven't been the same since. > > After 2 years they stopped "doing their thing" and I ended up severely depressed (clinically depressed vs. the sadness I had experienced prior to the Prozac). It "did" something to my brain. I ended up in the hospital. > > After a few different trials, I ended up on Paxil, which I took until 2005, when IT TOO "stopped working." I went into such a severe depression, I had to quit work. Was hospitalized twice. I was suicidal. No medication was working now. I tried dozens. Had ECT (shock treatments). Nothing worked. > > A new doctor finally, just this past December, came up with a new combo of meds that appears to be helping me (otherwise, I wouldn't even be typing this right now). > > During these last 5 years of this severe depression, I tried every natural thing under the sun. Seriously. Lots of them and in huge quantities. I consulted with Naturopaths. I did Acupuncture. Nothing worked and I BELIEVE it's because the SSRI did permanent damage to my neurotransmitter system in my brain. Just my opinion, based on what I experienced and my gut. > > But I was never really depressed before I went on the Prozac in the first place. AFTER, THAT was real depression. I now know the difference. > > If I could get off these meds, I would, believe me. But I have yet to find a natural alternative that works for me. > > I warn people not to go on SSRI's frivolously. If you are just "down" do not let your doctor talk you into taking an Anti-depressant. They are horrible and even when they don't work, you cannot just go off them because you have become dependent on them and go through serious withdrawal from them. > > Guess I'm ranting now. Sorry. Thanks for listening. I'm feeling good now, knock on wood, but the last 5 years were hell. > > On a technical note: L-Tryptophan is the amino acid that is the precursor to Serotonin. Your body takes the L-Tryptophan and converts it to the 5-HTP. So, when you buy and take 5-HTP (which somehow they have managed to get from a plant source), you are just by-passing that first conversion your body would have to do. So it is better than the L-Tryptophan. > > And also, did you know that the largest portion of your neurotransmitters are found in your intestinal tract? (not your brain). So any problem you may have in that area can affect your mood. IBS, Crohn's, Colitis, diarrhea, constipation, leaky gut syndrome, etc. > > Beverly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Yes, 5HTP is indicated. Also, for depression, St. 's Wort has been proven to work; it is a natural SSRI. Some amino acids are also good for depression: L-Tyrosine, which works by helping the thyroid, and there are many, many herbs. Remember, SSRI's do NOT make MORE Serotonin. They only make what serotonin you DO have last longer. Beverly > > > > Well, what is the remedy for serotonin deficiency? Anti depressants are the only thing I can think of...Somehow I don't think anti depressants would be recommended by this group. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Hi, Beverly, I'm new here (hi everybody!), and I don't want to throw more stuff at you, because I know what it's like to have tried everything and still come up empty, but I know homeopathy does help people with MS. It's also helped me decrease the amount of meds (psychotropic) that I'm taking, in the goal of getting off them. Not sure if it could help you with your depression, but it's worth a try. Best of wishes to you, AngieOn Mar 30, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Beverly53 wrote: Hi , and thanks. Well, the icing on the cake to my story is that in the middle of this depression, in Sept. 07, I was dx with Multiple Sclerosis. Yes, God does play funny jokes. So, in attempting to fight the MS, I DID go gluten-free, dairy-free, soy-free, legume-free approx. 1 year ago. It didn't make a difference in my depression, though. The last month or so, I have cut out all flour, grains, low-carb, etc. I think, in combo with the new meds, I am feeling even better than with just the meds. So, maybe, at some point in the future, I will be able to wean off some of the meds. I take Cymbalta with Geodon added. For you to have gotten off Cymbalta is a great feat and I applaud you. I know it wasn't easy. Beverly > > Beverly, > Since I have gone gluten free I have no more depression. It took about 3 to 4 months but I no longer take my cymbalta. > What a diffference in the way I felt taking gluten out of my life. Maybe you should try it. > from Illinois > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Beverly53 <beebie10@...> > iodine > Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:24:54 PM > Subject: Re: update > > > I have been on a roller-coaster with SSRI's since 1995. A doctor intimidated me during a time when I was vulnerable and full of grief and anger and sadness, and instead of helping me with the problem, he pushed Prozac on me. > > I haven't been the same since. > > After 2 years they stopped "doing their thing" and I ended up severely depressed (clinically depressed vs. the sadness I had experienced prior to the Prozac). It "did" something to my brain. I ended up in the hospital. > > After a few different trials, I ended up on Paxil, which I took until 2005, when IT TOO "stopped working." I went into such a severe depression, I had to quit work. Was hospitalized twice. I was suicidal. No medication was working now. I tried dozens. Had ECT (shock treatments). Nothing worked. > > A new doctor finally, just this past December, came up with a new combo of meds that appears to be helping me (otherwise, I wouldn't even be typing this right now). > > During these last 5 years of this severe depression, I tried every natural thing under the sun. Seriously. Lots of them and in huge quantities. I consulted with Naturopaths. I did Acupuncture. Nothing worked and I BELIEVE it's because the SSRI did permanent damage to my neurotransmitter system in my brain. Just my opinion, based on what I experienced and my gut. > > But I was never really depressed before I went on the Prozac in the first place. AFTER, THAT was real depression. I now know the difference. > > If I could get off these meds, I would, believe me. But I have yet to find a natural alternative that works for me. > > I warn people not to go on SSRI's frivolously. If you are just "down" do not let your doctor talk you into taking an Anti-depressant. They are horrible and even when they don't work, you cannot just go off them because you have become dependent on them and go through serious withdrawal from them. > > Guess I'm ranting now. Sorry. Thanks for listening. I'm feeling good now, knock on wood, but the last 5 years were hell. > > On a technical note: L-Tryptophan is the amino acid that is the precursor to Serotonin. Your body takes the L-Tryptophan and converts it to the 5-HTP. So, when you buy and take 5-HTP (which somehow they have managed to get from a plant source), you are just by-passing that first conversion your body would have to do. So it is better than the L-Tryptophan. > > And also, did you know that the largest portion of your neurotransmitters are found in your intestinal tract? (not your brain). So any problem you may have in that area can affect your mood. IBS, Crohn's, Colitis, diarrhea, constipation, leaky gut syndrome, etc. > > Beverly > "This is not a quote at the bottom of an email." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Beverly, For depression, nothing beats magnesium. The best way to take magnesium is to apply magnesium chloride topically. This way, you can absorb large amounts of magnesium without worrying about diarrhea. The next best way is to eat lots of cashews or almonds, both of which have a high magnesium-to-calcium ratio. Also helpful is folic acid. /Israel > > > > Beverly, > > Since I have gone gluten free I have no more depression. It took about 3 to 4 months but I no longer take my cymbalta. > > What a diffference in the way I felt taking gluten out of my life. Maybe you should try it. > > from Illinois > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Beverly53 <beebie10@> > > iodine > > Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:24:54 PM > > Subject: Re: update > > > > > > I have been on a roller-coaster with SSRI's since 1995. A doctor intimidated me during a time when I was vulnerable and full of grief and anger and sadness, and instead of helping me with the problem, he pushed Prozac on me. > > > > I haven't been the same since. > > > > After 2 years they stopped " doing their thing " and I ended up severely depressed (clinically depressed vs. the sadness I had experienced prior to the Prozac). It " did " something to my brain. I ended up in the hospital. > > > > After a few different trials, I ended up on Paxil, which I took until 2005, when IT TOO " stopped working. " I went into such a severe depression, I had to quit work. Was hospitalized twice. I was suicidal. No medication was working now. I tried dozens. Had ECT (shock treatments). Nothing worked. > > > > A new doctor finally, just this past December, came up with a new combo of meds that appears to be helping me (otherwise, I wouldn't even be typing this right now). > > > > During these last 5 years of this severe depression, I tried every natural thing under the sun. Seriously. Lots of them and in huge quantities. I consulted with Naturopaths. I did Acupuncture. Nothing worked and I BELIEVE it's because the SSRI did permanent damage to my neurotransmitter system in my brain. Just my opinion, based on what I experienced and my gut. > > > > But I was never really depressed before I went on the Prozac in the first place. AFTER, THAT was real depression. I now know the difference. > > > > If I could get off these meds, I would, believe me. But I have yet to find a natural alternative that works for me. > > > > I warn people not to go on SSRI's frivolously. If you are just " down " do not let your doctor talk you into taking an Anti-depressant. They are horrible and even when they don't work, you cannot just go off them because you have become dependent on them and go through serious withdrawal from them. > > > > Guess I'm ranting now. Sorry. Thanks for listening. I'm feeling good now, knock on wood, but the last 5 years were hell. > > > > On a technical note: L-Tryptophan is the amino acid that is the precursor to Serotonin. Your body takes the L-Tryptophan and converts it to the 5-HTP. So, when you buy and take 5-HTP (which somehow they have managed to get from a plant source), you are just by-passing that first conversion your body would have to do. So it is better than the L-Tryptophan. > > > > And also, did you know that the largest portion of your neurotransmitters are found in your intestinal tract? (not your brain). So any problem you may have in that area can affect your mood. IBS, Crohn's, Colitis, diarrhea, constipation, leaky gut syndrome, etc. > > > > Beverly > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 . Not to worry. I operate on the basis of throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks. Please tell me what specific homeopathic remedies you used, or did you go to a Homeopath and get a constitutional just for you? Beverly > > Hi, Beverly, I'm new here (hi everybody!), and I don't want to throw > more stuff at you, because I know what it's like to have tried > everything and still come up empty, but I know homeopathy does help > people with MS. It's also helped me decrease the amount of meds > (psychotropic) that I'm taking, in the goal of getting off them. Not > > took Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Thank you . Where do you get topical Magnesium Chloride? I already take 300 mg Magnesium Malate. Do you think I should take more? How much is enough? Beverly > > > > > > Beverly, > > > Since I have gone gluten free I have no more depression. It took about 3 to 4 months but I no longer take my cymbalta. > > > What a diffference in the way I felt taking gluten out of my life. Maybe you should try it. > > > from Illinois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Beverly53 <beebie10@> > > > iodine > > > Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:24:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: update > > > > > > > > > I have been on a roller-coaster with SSRI's since 1995. A doctor intimidated me during a time when I was vulnerable and full of grief and anger and sadness, and instead of helping me with the problem, he pushed Prozac on me. > > > > > > I haven't been the same since. > > > > > > After 2 years they stopped " doing their thing " and I ended up severely depressed (clinically depressed vs. the sadness I had experienced prior to the Prozac). It " did " something to my brain. I ended up in the hospital. > > > > > > After a few different trials, I ended up on Paxil, which I took until 2005, when IT TOO " stopped working. " I went into such a severe depression, I had to quit work. Was hospitalized twice. I was suicidal. No medication was working now. I tried dozens. Had ECT (shock treatments). Nothing worked. > > > > > > A new doctor finally, just this past December, came up with a new combo of meds that appears to be helping me (otherwise, I wouldn't even be typing this right now). > > > > > > During these last 5 years of this severe depression, I tried every natural thing under the sun. Seriously. Lots of them and in huge quantities. I consulted with Naturopaths. I did Acupuncture. Nothing worked and I BELIEVE it's because the SSRI did permanent damage to my neurotransmitter system in my brain. Just my opinion, based on what I experienced and my gut. > > > > > > But I was never really depressed before I went on the Prozac in the first place. AFTER, THAT was real depression. I now know the difference. > > > > > > If I could get off these meds, I would, believe me. But I have yet to find a natural alternative that works for me. > > > > > > I warn people not to go on SSRI's frivolously. If you are just " down " do not let your doctor talk you into taking an Anti-depressant. They are horrible and even when they don't work, you cannot just go off them because you have become dependent on them and go through serious withdrawal from them. > > > > > > Guess I'm ranting now. Sorry. Thanks for listening. I'm feeling good now, knock on wood, but the last 5 years were hell. > > > > > > On a technical note: L-Tryptophan is the amino acid that is the precursor to Serotonin. Your body takes the L-Tryptophan and converts it to the 5-HTP. So, when you buy and take 5-HTP (which somehow they have managed to get from a plant source), you are just by-passing that first conversion your body would have to do. So it is better than the L-Tryptophan. > > > > > > And also, did you know that the largest portion of your neurotransmitters are found in your intestinal tract? (not your brain). So any problem you may have in that area can affect your mood. IBS, Crohn's, Colitis, diarrhea, constipation, leaky gut syndrome, etc. > > > > > > Beverly > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I'm currently taking 800 mg of magnesium a day -- sometimes more if I worked out and feel I need extra.~W On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Beverly53 <beebie10@...> wrote: I already take 300 mg Magnesium Malate. Do you think I should take more? How much is enough? Beverly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Hello Beverly, All very good advice here...and the liver/gall bladder flushes will help greatly as well. Linsey On Mar 30, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Beverly53 wrote: > Hi , and thanks. > > Well, the icing on the cake to my story is that in the middle of this depression, in Sept. 07, I was dx with Multiple Sclerosis. Yes, God does play funny jokes. > > So, in attempting to fight the MS, I DID go gluten-free, dairy-free, soy-free, legume-free approx. 1 year ago. It didn't make a difference in my depression, though. > > The last month or so, I have cut out all flour, grains, low-carb, etc. I think, in combo with the new meds, I am feeling even better than with just the meds. So, maybe, at some point in the future, I will be able to wean off some of the meds. > > I take Cymbalta with Geodon added. For you to have gotten off Cymbalta is a great feat and I applaud you. I know it wasn't easy. > > Beverly > > >> >> Beverly, >> Since I have gone gluten free I have no more depression. It took about 3 to 4 months but I no longer take my cymbalta. >> What a diffference in the way I felt taking gluten out of my life. Maybe you should try it. >> from Illinois >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Beverly, I received magnesium chloride flakes gratis from a friend in New Zealand. Ironically, he purchased them from a local source that brought them in from Israel, my home country. The magnesium is produced by Dead Sea Works, and I only have a local contact. Another source that is very popular is www.ancient-minerals.com. in Israel > > > > > > > > Beverly, > > > > Since I have gone gluten free I have no more depression. It took about 3 to 4 months but I no longer take my cymbalta. > > > > What a diffference in the way I felt taking gluten out of my life. Maybe you should try it. > > > > from Illinois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Beverly53 <beebie10@> > > > > iodine > > > > Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:24:54 PM > > > > Subject: Re: update > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been on a roller-coaster with SSRI's since 1995. A doctor intimidated me during a time when I was vulnerable and full of grief and anger and sadness, and instead of helping me with the problem, he pushed Prozac on me. > > > > > > > > I haven't been the same since. > > > > > > > > After 2 years they stopped " doing their thing " and I ended up severely depressed (clinically depressed vs. the sadness I had experienced prior to the Prozac). It " did " something to my brain. I ended up in the hospital. > > > > > > > > After a few different trials, I ended up on Paxil, which I took until 2005, when IT TOO " stopped working. " I went into such a severe depression, I had to quit work. Was hospitalized twice. I was suicidal. No medication was working now. I tried dozens. Had ECT (shock treatments). Nothing worked. > > > > > > > > A new doctor finally, just this past December, came up with a new combo of meds that appears to be helping me (otherwise, I wouldn't even be typing this right now). > > > > > > > > During these last 5 years of this severe depression, I tried every natural thing under the sun. Seriously. Lots of them and in huge quantities. I consulted with Naturopaths. I did Acupuncture. Nothing worked and I BELIEVE it's because the SSRI did permanent damage to my neurotransmitter system in my brain. Just my opinion, based on what I experienced and my gut. > > > > > > > > But I was never really depressed before I went on the Prozac in the first place. AFTER, THAT was real depression. I now know the difference. > > > > > > > > If I could get off these meds, I would, believe me. But I have yet to find a natural alternative that works for me. > > > > > > > > I warn people not to go on SSRI's frivolously. If you are just " down " do not let your doctor talk you into taking an Anti-depressant. They are horrible and even when they don't work, you cannot just go off them because you have become dependent on them and go through serious withdrawal from them. > > > > > > > > Guess I'm ranting now. Sorry. Thanks for listening. I'm feeling good now, knock on wood, but the last 5 years were hell. > > > > > > > > On a technical note: L-Tryptophan is the amino acid that is the precursor to Serotonin. Your body takes the L-Tryptophan and converts it to the 5-HTP. So, when you buy and take 5-HTP (which somehow they have managed to get from a plant source), you are just by-passing that first conversion your body would have to do. So it is better than the L-Tryptophan. > > > > > > > > And also, did you know that the largest portion of your neurotransmitters are found in your intestinal tract? (not your brain). So any problem you may have in that area can affect your mood. IBS, Crohn's, Colitis, diarrhea, constipation, leaky gut syndrome, etc. > > > > > > > > Beverly > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Beverly, You can take 1000+mg easily if you take it topically. The limit for me orally is only about 400 mg. I don't think that you can solve the depression problem by taking magnesium orally. I recently read that magnesium pills are not assimulated well, and that you are better off taking natural sources of magnesium, notably almonds and cashews. I take magnesium in the amount of approximately 680 mg topically, and another 500 mg or so in almonds. in Israel > > > > > > > > Beverly, > > > > Since I have gone gluten free I have no more depression. It took about 3 to 4 months but I no longer take my cymbalta. > > > > What a diffference in the way I felt taking gluten out of my life. Maybe you should try it. > > > > from Illinois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Beverly53 <beebie10@> > > > > iodine > > > > Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:24:54 PM > > > > Subject: Re: update > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been on a roller-coaster with SSRI's since 1995. A doctor intimidated me during a time when I was vulnerable and full of grief and anger and sadness, and instead of helping me with the problem, he pushed Prozac on me. > > > > > > > > I haven't been the same since. > > > > > > > > After 2 years they stopped " doing their thing " and I ended up severely depressed (clinically depressed vs. the sadness I had experienced prior to the Prozac). It " did " something to my brain. I ended up in the hospital. > > > > > > > > After a few different trials, I ended up on Paxil, which I took until 2005, when IT TOO " stopped working. " I went into such a severe depression, I had to quit work. Was hospitalized twice. I was suicidal. No medication was working now. I tried dozens. Had ECT (shock treatments). Nothing worked. > > > > > > > > A new doctor finally, just this past December, came up with a new combo of meds that appears to be helping me (otherwise, I wouldn't even be typing this right now). > > > > > > > > During these last 5 years of this severe depression, I tried every natural thing under the sun. Seriously. Lots of them and in huge quantities. I consulted with Naturopaths. I did Acupuncture. Nothing worked and I BELIEVE it's because the SSRI did permanent damage to my neurotransmitter system in my brain. Just my opinion, based on what I experienced and my gut. > > > > > > > > But I was never really depressed before I went on the Prozac in the first place. AFTER, THAT was real depression. I now know the difference. > > > > > > > > If I could get off these meds, I would, believe me. But I have yet to find a natural alternative that works for me. > > > > > > > > I warn people not to go on SSRI's frivolously. If you are just " down " do not let your doctor talk you into taking an Anti-depressant. They are horrible and even when they don't work, you cannot just go off them because you have become dependent on them and go through serious withdrawal from them. > > > > > > > > Guess I'm ranting now. Sorry. Thanks for listening. I'm feeling good now, knock on wood, but the last 5 years were hell. > > > > > > > > On a technical note: L-Tryptophan is the amino acid that is the precursor to Serotonin. Your body takes the L-Tryptophan and converts it to the 5-HTP. So, when you buy and take 5-HTP (which somehow they have managed to get from a plant source), you are just by-passing that first conversion your body would have to do. So it is better than the L-Tryptophan. > > > > > > > > And also, did you know that the largest portion of your neurotransmitters are found in your intestinal tract? (not your brain). So any problem you may have in that area can affect your mood. IBS, Crohn's, Colitis, diarrhea, constipation, leaky gut syndrome, etc. > > > > > > > > Beverly > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Careful with Geodon. One of the side effects is hypo or hyperthyroidism. > >> > >> Beverly, > >> Since I have gone gluten free I have no more depression. It took about 3 to 4 months but I no longer take my cymbalta. > >> What a diffference in the way I felt taking gluten out of my life. Maybe you should try it. > >> from Illinois > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 > > > > > > Beverly, For depression, nothing beats magnesium. The best way to take magnesium is to apply magnesium chloride topically. This way, you can absorb large amounts of magnesium without worrying about diarrhea. The next best way is to eat lots of cashews or almonds, both of which have a high magnesium-to-calcium ratio. > > > > > > Also helpful is folic acid. > > > > > > /Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 And how do you apply the flakes? Thanks. Beverly > > Beverly, I received magnesium chloride flakes gratis from a friend in New Zealand. Ironically, he purchased them from a local source that brought them in from Israel, my home country. The magnesium is produced by Dead Sea Works, and I only have a local contact. Another source that is very popular is www.ancient-minerals.com. > > in Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 You know, , I was just so happy that the stuff was working, I never went online to see what it's action was or if there were any side effects. Kind of an " ignorance is bliss " attitude on this one. I didn't know that. Sigh. Well, I already have Hashi's/hypo, so, either it will get worse, or maybe it will speed up my thyroid? As a matter of fact, I've been fairly energetic lately (even compared to the Pre-Depression Me), so maybe it is becoming rather hyper. Actually I kind of like the energy I've been feeling, if truth be told. Well, I got rid of my Endo cause she was useless. My GP has been prescribing Synthroid and Cytomel (I don't convert, either). Just had an appt. 1 week ago. I asked her if we could do a thyroid panel, cause I wanted to see if Iodine was making a difference. So I guess we'll see what the numbers are, when the results come back. I'm sure you all will help me figure them out. Unfortunately, there was no " Free T3/T4 " on the test script, and since I was pushing her to do this in the first place, I didn't want to make any more waves. You know. So I won't have those tests done. She really doesn't know that much about the thyroid; I just tell her what to do, and she kind of goes along with it. Good to have a doctor like that, in a way. But it puts alot of pressure on me to speak up and advocate for myself, which isn't always easy. Thanks, , for that. Guess I'll have to look it up after all. But I won't go off it--5 years of hell is long enough. But I'll try to work with the side effects, see what I can do about ameliorating them. Beverly > > Careful with Geodon. One of the side effects is hypo or hyperthyroidism. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Beverly, Everything you need to know about magnesium oil and magnesium flakes can be found on http://www.naturalrussia.com/natural/bishofit/magnesium_bath_flakes_ze.html I mix the magnesium flakes with distilled water to apply topically. the NaturalRussia website gives the concentrations. It is much cheaper to purchase flakes because it lowers shipping costs; you can add the distilled water yourself easily. /Israel > > > > Beverly, I received magnesium chloride flakes gratis from a friend in New Zealand. Ironically, he purchased them from a local source that brought them in from Israel, my home country. The magnesium is produced by Dead Sea Works, and I only have a local contact. Another source that is very popular is www.ancient-minerals.com. > > > > in Israel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Beverly - Did you notice the website that Bruce posted a few days ago re: MS? http://www.direct-ms.org/ It's got so much info, and a special dietary plan, it would be worth taking a peek if you haven't already. check recipes and " the Basics .... " and the CCSVI page. Dr. Jonathon also has an article plus 2 papers on using histamine (there's that immune system factor again) at http://www.tahomaclinic.com/ms.shtml. You might also want to consider some of the energy medicine techniques with both the depression and MS. They don't involve ingesting anything more than water. Some are practitioner administered (like Reiki, acupuncture, skilled chiropractic or massage), some you can learn to do yourself (or with a practitioner, like EFT and other tapping techniques, Qigong which has specific exercises/ routines for specifics conditions), but they are all geared toward getting your subtle energies flowing freely to encourage and allow the body to heal itself. Now here's the rub - IF I'm consistent with doing whichever, I get very substantial relief from long-term depression, but when I slack off for extended periods of time, I can fall right back into it, as I haven't totally cleared all the years of ingrained physiological programming. If you'd like to email me off-line for some suggestions there, please feel free to do so. I'm fully aware of how debilitating depression can be, and the joy of being able to gradually reduce/ eliminate those meds. Pam H > > > > > > From: Baker <vbaker@> > > Subject: Re: Re: update > > iodine > > Date: Monday, 29 March, 2010, 19:48 > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > >Well, what is the remedy for serotonin deficiency? Anti depressants are > > >the only thing I can think of...Somehow I don't think anti depressants > > >would be recommended by this group. > > > > I believe that a lot of ailments in our society are related to serotonin > > deficiency, which is related to demineralization of the soils and constant > > stress, including lack of true darkness which inhibits melatonin production > > which in turn affects serotonin production. I think the form one's > > serotonin-deficienc y ailment takes is related to environmental and genetic > > factors. I take a supplement called 5-HTP, which furnishes the brain with > > the direct precursor to serotonin, effectively flooding the brain with > > serotonin. So whereas SSRI drugs and the like conserve whatever serotonin > > a person has in their brain, that's not all that helpful if you don't have > > enough to start with. I believe this is also possibly the reason why SSRIs > > stop working for a lot of people, is that they just don't have any > > serotonin left to conserve. Studies have shown 5-HTP to be more effective > > than prozac, and without side effects. > > > > I think being faithful to the iodine protocol will eventually repair my > > body's capacities and I am very excited about those potentials. For 10 > > years I managed my fibromyalgia with 5-HTP, until a couple of years of > > unremitting stress coupled with major new stressors resulted in a health > > crash last fall. That's when I found LDN (hello, endorphins!) and the > > iodine protocol (hello, building block of all hormones in the body!). I'm > > actually glad for the health crash because I believe I am now on a better, > > more fundamentally effective path for wellness. But I still need the > > 5-HTP, for now. > > > > with best wishes, > > -- > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > --A.J. Muste > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 I had a friend who was on Geodon along with 5 other anti-anxiety meds. She could not get her thyroid under control, and we believed it was the Geodon. Her doc has switched her meds around and is now taking only 3, and Geodon is not one of them. If it's working for you, that's great. Just keep it in the back of your mind for future reference. Incidentally, you really can't assess thyroid function without the Frees. If she won't do them, I'd get someone else to. Life is too short not to be an advocate. Just because they have a medical degree doesn't make them more knowledgeable than you about your own body. And you are paying them for a service. You should get what you pay for. I don't mean this in a negative way. You need someone on your team. You don't need a dictator. > > > > Careful with Geodon. One of the side effects is hypo or hyperthyroidism. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Seriously, look at truehope; http://www.truehope.com/default.aspx I am not saying this lightly nor frivolously, they have an amazing story it just takes time to dig it out. Starting with the University of Calgary seeing it as so effective they started clinical studies spending millions to Health Canada attacking them and trying to close them down. It ended in a court ruling in their favor with a judge ruling that when they broke the law to supply it after HC making it illegal, they did the right thing as it saved lives. The first time nearly a judge said breaking the law was the right thing to do. It is completely natural and has the head psychiatrist at Harvard using it on hs patients, and he was sent the most difficult ones of them all. He even came up to testify on it's effectiveness at the trial. Buckley was their lawyer, Canada's top constitutional lawyer. It is extremely worth it to look over this site and spend the time, seriously. Bruce > > > > > > From: Baker <vbaker@> > > Subject: Re: Re: update > > iodine > > Date: Monday, 29 March, 2010, 19:48 > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > >Well, what is the remedy for serotonin deficiency? Anti depressants are > > >the only thing I can think of...Somehow I don't think anti depressants > > >would be recommended by this group. > > > > I believe that a lot of ailments in our society are related to serotonin > > deficiency, which is related to demineralization of the soils and constant > > stress, including lack of true darkness which inhibits melatonin production > > which in turn affects serotonin production. I think the form one's > > serotonin-deficienc y ailment takes is related to environmental and genetic > > factors. I take a supplement called 5-HTP, which furnishes the brain with > > the direct precursor to serotonin, effectively flooding the brain with > > serotonin. So whereas SSRI drugs and the like conserve whatever serotonin > > a person has in their brain, that's not all that helpful if you don't have > > enough to start with. I believe this is also possibly the reason why SSRIs > > stop working for a lot of people, is that they just don't have any > > serotonin left to conserve. Studies have shown 5-HTP to be more effective > > than prozac, and without side effects. > > > > I think being faithful to the iodine protocol will eventually repair my > > body's capacities and I am very excited about those potentials. For 10 > > years I managed my fibromyalgia with 5-HTP, until a couple of years of > > unremitting stress coupled with major new stressors resulted in a health > > crash last fall. That's when I found LDN (hello, endorphins!) and the > > iodine protocol (hello, building block of all hormones in the body!). I'm > > actually glad for the health crash because I believe I am now on a better, > > more fundamentally effective path for wellness. But I still need the > > 5-HTP, for now. > > > > with best wishes, > > -- > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > --A.J. Muste > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Found more; "evidence from expert witnesses‘the significant results of treating depression and bi-polar disorder with vitamin/mineral micronutrient treatment rather than conventional pharmaceuticals attracted interest from…experts in the field of treatment of depression and bi-polar disorder in Canada and the United States.’ ‘Dr. Popper, a psychiatrist at Harvard University, who also teaches psychiatry to other psychiatrists, testified that…if the micronutrient treatment [EMPowerplus] became unavailable, symptoms associated with depression and bi-polar disorder…would return.’ ‘Dr. Popper has most impressive qualifications. Although he was initially extremely skeptical with regards to the micronutrient treatment, by the time of trial approximately 100 to 150 of his patients were using the micronutrient treatment… In addition to his patients, Dr. Popper testified to having consulted on 300 to 500 additional patients on the micronutrient treatment.’ ‘Dr. Popper…testified that if the micronutrient treatment became unavailable there would be aggressive behaviour, assaults, hospitalizations, incarcerations and suicides. He testified that his patients would have to be returned to medications which lack stability and had negative side-effects. Overall, Dr. Popper testified that he would not be able to manage his practice at the level to which it had grown and he would have to refer patients away from his practice.’‘The expert evidence before the Court with regards to the objective harm that could occur included the observations of Dr. Bonnie Kaplan, a psychologist from the University of Calgary, who observed the rapid return of symptoms once the micronutrient treatment was discontinued’. " http://www.truehope.com/truehope_bipolar_disorder_court2.aspx Bruce Re: Re: update> > iodine > > Date: Monday, 29 March, 2010, 19:48> > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > >Well, what is the remedy for serotonin deficiency? Anti depressants are > > >the only thing I can think of...Somehow I don't think anti depressants > > >would be recommended by this group.> > > > I believe that a lot of ailments in our society are related to serotonin > > deficiency, which is related to demineralization of the soils and constant > > stress, including lack of true darkness which inhibits melatonin production > > which in turn affects serotonin production. I think the form one's > > serotonin-deficienc y ailment takes is related to environmental and genetic > > factors. I take a supplement called 5-HTP, which furnishes the brain with > > the direct precursor to serotonin, effectively flooding the brain with > > serotonin. So whereas SSRI drugs and the like conserve whatever serotonin > > a person has in their brain, that's not all that helpful if you don't have > > enough to start with. I believe this is also possibly the reason why SSRIs > > stop working for a lot of people, is that they just don't have any > > serotonin left to conserve. Studies have shown 5-HTP to be more effective > > than prozac, and without side effects.> > > > I think being faithful to the iodine protocol will eventually repair my > > body's capacities and I am very excited about those potentials. For 10 > > years I managed my fibromyalgia with 5-HTP, until a couple of years of > > unremitting stress coupled with major new stressors resulted in a health > > crash last fall. That's when I found LDN (hello, endorphins!) and the > > iodine protocol (hello, building block of all hormones in the body!). I'm > > actually glad for the health crash because I believe I am now on a better, > > more fundamentally effective path for wellness. But I still need the > > 5-HTP, for now.> > > > with best wishes,> > --> > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > --A.J. Muste> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 I'll be crucufied for this, but don't care: From their site: " Stephan, in reflecting on the marvelous recovery of his children, said; "Truly God has answered my pleadings and intense prayers with a great blessing." Thousands of participants have borne that same witness and acknowledged the hand of God in bringing restoration to their life or that of a loved one. Hence, we have named this web site “TRUEHOPE” because we believe that true hope can only be found in the healing sustenance that God has provided for us. No man or company or science can ever replicate or replace that which our Creator has provided for us. In seeking to treat the symptom, we have all ignored the Source." http://www.truehope.com/truehope_bipolar_disorder_about_discovery.aspx Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 You maybe able to get rid of the depression by eliminating gluten of of your diet. That worked for me plus the iodine, salt loading and supplement vitamins. from IllinoisFrom: Beverly53 <beebie10@...>iodine Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 8:22:11 PMSubject: Re: update > > > > > > Beverly, For depression, nothing beats magnesium. The best way to take magnesium is to apply magnesium chloride topically. This way, you can absorb large amounts of magnesium without worrying about diarrhea. The next best way is to eat lots of cashews or almonds, both of which have a high magnesium-to- calcium ratio. > > > > > > Also helpful is folic acid. > > > > > > /Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Tryptophan is an amino acid we get from food; Turkey meat, beans etc. So, our ability to absorb it from our food, or to convert it to seratonion might become impaired, but thats the source. One alternative for those with depression to consider; EDTA is a man-made amino acid. In large dosages, (600mg. 2xday) it is a chelator, and is the main treatment for lead poisoning.Actually, its a broad spectrum chelator, and will, in those dosages and if taken over an extended time, chellate a wide variety of minerals.When using it to treat for lead poisoning, (I believe it works for mercury as well) have to supplement with 'good' minerals to make sure you don't get depleted in them. Anyway, in SMALL dosages, 5-10mg. a day, it acts as a Seratonin re-uptake inhibitor. But, not a SELECTIVE one, like these meds.Should be used with extreme caution re: when taking 5htp. I made the 'mistake' of taking both for several days.I slept about 22 hrs/day, literally.Once I realised my mistake and stopped, everything returned to normal, but I felt like I had " RESET " something.I felt better for several months.Taken without 5htp, in low dosages, it acts as an 'antideppressant', but, in my experiance, without the negative side effects.No 'sexual side effects', and no feeling emotionally insulated/numb. If my dog dies, I cry and feel appropriately sad, if I won the lottery would jump up and down and yell and scream, but in day to day life don't feel depressed for 'no reason' (or due to lack of seratonin).Tried SSRI's for short period of time. I agree they are, well they just suck.Sold on the net, without a Rx, as a chelator in 600mg. capsules, for cheap. Open capsule and take out about a matchhead worths, per day. One bottle, for under $10.00, can last a LONG time!Jim > > > > > > > > > From: Baker <vbaker@> > > > Subject: Re: Re: update > > > iodine > > > Date: Monday, 29 March, 2010, 19:48 > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, what is the remedy for serotonin deficiency? Anti depressants are > > > >the only thing I can think of...Somehow I don't think anti depressants > > > >would be recommended by this group. > > > > > > I believe that a lot of ailments in our society are related to serotonin > > > deficiency, which is related to demineralization of the soils and constant > > > stress, including lack of true darkness which inhibits melatonin production > > > which in turn affects serotonin production. I think the form one's > > > serotonin-deficienc y ailment takes is related to environmental and genetic > > > factors. I take a supplement called 5-HTP, which furnishes the brain with > > > the direct precursor to serotonin, effectively flooding the brain with > > > serotonin. So whereas SSRI drugs and the like conserve whatever serotonin > > > a person has in their brain, that's not all that helpful if you don't have > > > enough to start with. I believe this is also possibly the reason why SSRIs > > > stop working for a lot of people, is that they just don't have any > > > serotonin left to conserve. Studies have shown 5-HTP to be more effective > > > than prozac, and without side effects. > > > > > > I think being faithful to the iodine protocol will eventually repair my > > > body's capacities and I am very excited about those potentials. For 10 > > > years I managed my fibromyalgia with 5-HTP, until a couple of years of > > > unremitting stress coupled with major new stressors resulted in a health > > > crash last fall. That's when I found LDN (hello, endorphins!) and the > > > iodine protocol (hello, building block of all hormones in the body!). I'm > > > actually glad for the health crash because I believe I am now on a better, > > > more fundamentally effective path for wellness. But I still need the > > > 5-HTP, for now. > > > > > > with best wishes, > > > -- > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > > --A.J. Muste > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 I take an SSRI (sertraline), and am planning on working with my MD to (very) slowly wean myself off. In my research, I came upon this, which I'm going to share with him on the next visit. Fluoxetine as an intervention Many doctors advise patients who are suffering from SSRI discontinuation syndrome to use fluoxetine as a substitute for their current drug.[35] Substituting fluoxetine in the final stages of SSRI discontinuation, or post discontinuation, provides a rate of reduction of antidepressant which can minimize or eradicate withdrawal symptoms in the patient. Fluoxetine migrates slowly from the brain to the blood. The active metabolite of fluoxetine remains a long time in the brain because it is lipophilic, with a biological half life of 4 to 8 days (the longest of any SSRI). Therefore the level of the drug in the body falls slowly at a rate to which the brain can adjust when the dosage is reduced. Fluoxetine is also available in a liquid formula, allowing the physician to titrate the drug with greater ease (e.g., with an oral syringe). In a randomized trial, abrupt interruption of antidepressant therapy for 5–8 days was associated with the emergence of new somatic and psychological symptoms with the highest degree in patients treated with paroxetine and to a lesser degree sertraline, with few symptoms seen with fluoxetine.[36] On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 12:32 -0400, Bruce P wrote: > > " > If I could get off these meds, I would, believe me. But I have yet > to find a natural alternative that works for me. " > > > > > I have been on a roller-coaster with SSRI's since 1995. A doctor > intimidated me during a time when I was vulnerable and full of grief > and anger and sadness, and instead of helping me with the problem, he > pushed Prozac on me. > > > > I haven't been the same since. > > > > After 2 years they stopped " doing their thing " and I ended up > severely depressed (clinically depressed vs. the sadness I had > experienced prior to the Prozac). It " did " something to my brain. I > ended up in the hospital. > > > > After a few different trials, I ended up on Paxil, which I took > until 2005, when IT TOO " stopped working. " I went into such a severe > depression, I had to quit work. Was hospitalized twice. I was > suicidal. No medication was working now. I tried dozens. Had ECT > (shock treatments). Nothing worked. > > > > A new doctor finally, just this past December, came up with a new > combo of meds that appears to be helping me (otherwise, I wouldn't > even be typing this right now). > > > > During these last 5 years of this severe depression, I tried every > natural thing under the sun. Seriously. Lots of them and in huge > quantities. I consulted with Naturopaths. I did Acupuncture. Nothing > worked and I BELIEVE it's because the SSRI did permanent damage to my > neurotransmitter system in my brain. Just my opinion, based on what I > experienced and my gut. > > > > But I was never really depressed before I went on the Prozac in the > first place. AFTER, THAT was real depression. I now know the > difference. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 ... Fluoxetine is fluoride based, waaaaayyyyy more complications and weaning problems with these....don't go there!!! Try weaning down to another ssri like elavil (it's been around a loooog time) and wean down off of that. I was on 75mg for sleep issues back in '94 and have been able to get down and off of it and 25mg tablets on hand when I desperately need help sleeping. Lorie > > " > If I could get off these meds, I would, believe me. But I have yet > > to find a natural alternative that works for me. " > > > > > > > > I have been on a roller-coaster with SSRI's since 1995. A doctor > > intimidated me during a time when I was vulnerable and full of grief > > and anger and sadness, and instead of helping me with the problem, he > > pushed Prozac on me. > > > > > > I haven't been the same since. > > > > > > After 2 years they stopped " doing their thing " and I ended up > > severely depressed (clinically depressed vs. the sadness I had > > experienced prior to the Prozac). It " did " something to my brain. I > > ended up in the hospital. > > > > > > After a few different trials, I ended up on Paxil, which I took > > until 2005, when IT TOO " stopped working. " I went into such a severe > > depression, I had to quit work. Was hospitalized twice. I was > > suicidal. No medication was working now. I tried dozens. Had ECT > > (shock treatments). Nothing worked. > > > > > > A new doctor finally, just this past December, came up with a new > > combo of meds that appears to be helping me (otherwise, I wouldn't > > even be typing this right now). > > > > > > During these last 5 years of this severe depression, I tried every > > natural thing under the sun. Seriously. Lots of them and in huge > > quantities. I consulted with Naturopaths. I did Acupuncture. Nothing > > worked and I BELIEVE it's because the SSRI did permanent damage to my > > neurotransmitter system in my brain. Just my opinion, based on what I > > experienced and my gut. > > > > > > But I was never really depressed before I went on the Prozac in the > > first place. AFTER, THAT was real depression. I now know the > > difference. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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