Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I'm not sure when we first got hooked on the implied merit of taking pills to solve health problems. Perhaps the truly revolutionary advances in anti-biotics, or the more mundane but nonetheless remarkable ability of aspirin to quickly mitigate against most headaches. These days it has gotten so bad that patients are disappointed if doctors don't prescribe some medicine. Visit DR + take medicine = get well, QED. Sorry I'm meandering here. I am concerned with the comment about aspirin. While commonly used it is not a supplement. It is in fact a powerful medicine. One we tend to take for granted due to it's apparent safety and widespread use. Aspirin is probably helpful to the SAD which is pro-inflammatory and not very high quality. For someone successfully practicing CRAN, their general inflammation levels should already be low and the additional blood thinning effects of aspirin may not be beneficial. Taking aspirin daily should be a individual choice based on individual circumstances. Be vary of following general advice targeted at the SAD population. If you are practicing CRAN you are no longer a member of that group. be well JR -----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Antioxidant Pills Questioned, Again(was: bloated feeling) ------- .. Supplements have been around a long time, and some we take for granted, aspirin, eg, we don't even think of as supplements anymore. Some (cod liver oil) have slipped into oblivion. ;;;;;;;;; Meanwhile, the best advice is to eat a variety of veggies/fruits and CRON it. Remember, the liver takes out toxins, but sooner or later we may find a toxin that is not removed or not removed quickly enough. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Antioxidant Pills Questioned, Again(was: bloated feeling) Massive oversimplification. Doctors are not merely pill pushers. Manydoctors also take supplemnents themselves. I really don't see anyanti-supplement conspiracy. Also, some of the pharmaceuticalcompanies themselves sell supplements. This is not an either/orsituation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Yes, aspirin is obvious to me a powerful medicine, one reason I think so is that plavix articles now say to use aspirin with it is better than plavix alone (I don't like plavix). I once was told to take 6-8 aspirin per day by a competent physician, so I took 2 per day for joint and muscle pain. Then another competent doc switched me to an NSAID, then another then another. Now I see that celebrex (I've never taken -2's) is backed by some PCa doctors for treatment, not necessarily prevention. Also ibuprofen. So it may be that aspirin is being superseded by better drugs - we'll see. But the word "supplement" implies something I can buy OTC, without a prescription. And if I look for supplements that are powerful medicines for prevention, then I think aspirin is in a class by itself. Your warning is well taken, as it should be against any powerful supplement. But if supplements are not "powerful" I don't need to take them, right? BTW, I don't suggest any supps to anyone, or diets for that matter. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Pills Questioned, I'm not sure when we first got hooked on the implied merit of taking pills to solve health problems. Perhaps the truly revolutionary advances in anti-biotics, or the more mundane but nonetheless remarkable ability of aspirin to quickly mitigate against most headaches. These days it has gotten so bad that patients are disappointed if doctors don't prescribe some medicine. Visit DR + take medicine = get well, QED. Sorry I'm meandering here. I am concerned with the comment about aspirin. While commonly used it is not a supplement. It is in fact a powerful medicine. One we tend to take for granted due to it's apparent safety and widespread use. Aspirin is probably helpful to the SAD which is pro-inflammatory and not very high quality. For someone successfully practicing CRAN, their general inflammation levels should already be low and the additional blood thinning effects of aspirin may not be beneficial. Taking aspirin daily should be a individual choice based on individual circumstances. Be vary of following general advice targeted at the SAD population. If you are practicing CRAN you are no longer a member of that group. be well JR -----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Antioxidant Pills Questioned, Again(was: bloated feeling) ------- .. Supplements have been around a long time, and some we take for granted, aspirin, eg, we don't even think of as supplements anymore. Some (cod liver oil) have slipped into oblivion. ;;;;;;;;; Meanwhile, the best advice is to eat a variety of veggies/fruits and CRON it. Remember, the liver takes out toxins, but sooner or later we may find a toxin that is not removed or not removed quickly enough. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Antioxidant Pills Questioned, Again(was: bloated feeling) Massive oversimplification. Doctors are not merely pill pushers. Manydoctors also take supplemnents themselves. I really don't see anyanti-supplement conspiracy. Also, some of the pharmaceuticalcompanies themselves sell supplements. This is not an either/orsituation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I can't tell if you are for or against the prophylatic use of aspirin but I can say chronic aspirin ingestion has been linked to increased risk of pancreatic cancer. > Yes, aspirin is obvious to me a powerful medicine, one reason I think so is that plavix articles now say to use aspirin with it is better than plavix alone (I don't like plavix). I once was told to take 6-8 aspirin per day by a competent physician, so I took 2 per day for joint and muscle pain. > Then another competent doc switched me to an NSAID, then another then another. > > Now I see that celebrex (I've never taken -2's) is backed by some PCa doctors for treatment, not necessarily prevention. Also ibuprofen. So it may be that aspirin is being superseded by better drugs - we'll see. > > But the word " supplement " implies something I can buy OTC, without a prescription. And if I look for supplements that are powerful medicines for prevention, then I think aspirin is in a class by itself. > > Your warning is well taken, as it should be against any powerful supplement. But if supplements are not " powerful " I don't need to take them, right? > BTW, I don't suggest any supps to anyone, or diets for that matter. > > Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:02 AM > Subject: RE: [ ] Pills Questioned, > > > I'm not sure when we first got hooked on the implied merit of taking pills to solve health problems. Perhaps the truly revolutionary advances in anti-biotics, or the more mundane but nonetheless remarkable ability of aspirin to quickly mitigate against most headaches. These days it has gotten so bad that patients are disappointed if doctors don't prescribe some medicine. Visit DR + take medicine = get well, QED. > > Sorry I'm meandering here. I am concerned with the comment about aspirin. While commonly used it is not a supplement. It is in fact a powerful medicine. One we tend to take for granted due to it's apparent safety and widespread use. > > Aspirin is probably helpful to the SAD which is pro-inflammatory and not very high quality. For someone successfully practicing CRAN, their general inflammation levels should already be low and the additional blood thinning effects of aspirin may not be beneficial. > > Taking aspirin daily should be a individual choice based on individual circumstances. Be vary of following general advice targeted at the SAD population. If you are practicing CRAN you are no longer a member of that group. > > be well > > JR > -----Original Message----- > From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@e...] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [ ] Antioxidant Pills Questioned, Again(was: bloated feeling) > > > ------- > . Supplements have been around a long time, and some we take for granted, aspirin, eg, we don't even think of as supplements anymore. Some (cod liver oil) have slipped into oblivion. > > ;;;;;;;;; > Meanwhile, the best advice is to eat a variety of veggies/fruits and CRON it. > Remember, the liver takes out toxins, but sooner or later we may find a toxin that is not removed or not removed quickly enough. > > Regards. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowling > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [ ] Antioxidant Pills Questioned, Again(was: bloated feeling) > > > Massive oversimplification. Doctors are not merely pill pushers. Many > doctors also take supplemnents themselves. I really don't see any > anti-supplement conspiracy. Also, some of the pharmaceutical > companies themselves sell supplements. This is not an either/or > situation. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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