Re: Re: Vitamin E Linked to Higher Death Rates

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I think you may very well want to track the vits and mins and try to manage them. Some are difficult like phosphorus. You can get a lot of beta-carotene eating a lot of carrots, something I'd like to keep below 32000 IU per just one study on Prostate cancer.

But most things are ok, with needed added Ca (milk), Mg (MV), Se (MV), maybe Zn(MV).

The hardest maximums to control are sat fats, cholesterol if I ate meats/egg yolks.

E,G., dried apricots have a lot of potassium, something I need but I don't need more than 6000 mgs because that would require sodium to balance it (4:1) and I don't want more than 1500 mgs sodium. So I watch the high K stuff. Most people need extra K, but a veggie diet solves that.

A logical outcome is a lacto-veggie diet, right?

I started with the Nutrition Desk Reference, then Modern Nutrition in Health and Disease, and added IOM data. As I found new info from studies, I added "RDAs" of those things that are not in either document.

Probably the best supplement ref for us is Walford's, (I disagree with his niacin dose) for people who want to experiment with higher doses.

Where I can get qualified recommendations from practicing drs, I incorporate their info.

But to answer your specific question, I don't worry too much about items in food as to getting too much when eating 1800 kcals. Not enough data.

Regards.

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From: freebird5005

Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:58 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Vitamin E Linked to Higher Death Rates

I am not so sure I understand your argument. If you eat a predominately plant food diet, for instance, you willexceed the RDA's in most of the known nutrient/vitamins, sometimes bya great amount. So, do you cut back the amounts of food you eat toremain close to the RDA's??> First how about a web site that provides all the "DOSE-EFFECTRELATIONSHIP"s? And "pharmaceutical-like effects"s? And identificationof all those "sweet spot"s? This vitamin E study seems to me to placea lot more questions on the whole supplement world, not just E. Wehave RDA's of known goodies, calculated to fit 97% of people. Howsweet is that?> > All the guys who dig into this subject keep crawfishing back to eatyour veggies and fruits. A lot of that is unsureness of the OTHER 1000chemicals in the food. Try doing an analysis on Duke's data. A cursorylook (maybe 700 chemicals) showed me that common foods of todaycontain a LOT of stuff. Things like carrots, onions, garlic, tomatoes,papaya, prunes, spices, common herbs - actually more stuff than Icould eat in a day.> > Regards.>