Re: FW: Low Body Fat but High Cholesterol

[Guest guest]

What's his age and his parents age? His BMI? His BP? IMO, TC is more a factor of liver function than diet.

I have a skinny male doc (~45) who has high TC.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff Novick

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:54 PM

Subject: [ ] FW: Low Body Fat but High Cholesterol

This came to me but I think was meant for the group.JSNHello all. New to the group and have started reading all the messages from the beginning. The signal to noise ratio seems very good here.I'd like a little feedback on something. I have a friend who is lean (<10% bodyfat) and whose weight has remained stable since his highschool days. He is 49 now. He reamins ripped and muscular although he hasn't exercised since his high school days. His weight and his physique hasn't changed for all appearances in all these years.His total cholesterol is 235! That's all he can recall just coming from the doctor's office, he has no idea what the other values are for HDL and LDL. I asked what the doctor said to him he replied "doc said to cut back on two scoops of icecream per week."Like his physique, his diet has not changed either since HS days. He eats lots of fried foods everyday like french fries, hot wings, hamburgers, pizza, lots of meat dishes etc. He eats three "squares per day" religiously but watching him I can say that he doesn't overeat but eats to satiety which ends up small to normal portions.Now, here's the question. Is it likely that he is at risk for heart disease? Without more information I know you can't tell his specific risk but does being predisposed to a lean muscular physique and maitaining a stable weight since adolescence... does this impart any protective effect from CVD in these individuals even with lousy blood lipid values?

[Guest guest]

Hi:

My thoughts are as follows. Not everyone has the same susceptibility

to any given disease. No doubt some people can go through life

eating junk and not get heart disease. It is known that some people

are immune to AIDS for example. Some estimates suggest it may be 5%

of the world's population.

Unfortunately none of us know ahead of time which, if any, diseases

we are immune to.

The bald facts are that approaching 50% of the population die from

CVD, and the only reason most of the rest don't also is because

something else gets them first. Someone posted here a few months ago

that (I forget the exact number) autopsies on **teenagers** killed in

accidents show that 70% (?) already have the early signs of CVD

lesions in their arteries.

SO .............. since none of us know whether we are one of the

small minority that do not get heart disease no matter how junky the

food we eat, it may be wise to stop eating the junk. Of course he

may not know what is and what is not junk. And the science on it

keeps getting modified as time goes by as we gradually

(asymptotically, Tony?!) get closer to the truth.

At least your friend does not go hog-wild eating junk, as many people

do.

fwiw

Rodney.

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> What's his age and his parents age? His BMI? His BP? IMO, TC is

more a factor of liver function than diet.

> I have a skinny male doc (~45) who has high TC.

>

> Regards.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Jeff Novick

>

> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:54 PM

> Subject: [ ] FW: Low Body Fat but High Cholesterol

>

>

> This came to me but I think was meant for the group.

>

> JSN

>

>

> Hello all. New to the group and have started reading all the

messages from the beginning. The signal to noise ratio seems very

good here.

>

> I'd like a little feedback on something. I have a friend who is

lean (<10% bodyfat) and whose weight has remained stable since his

highschool days. He is 49 now. He reamins ripped and muscular

although he hasn't exercised since his high school days. His weight

and his physique hasn't changed for all appearances in all these

years.

>

> His total cholesterol is 235! That's all he can recall just

coming from the doctor's office, he has no idea what the other values

are for HDL and LDL. I asked what the doctor said to him he

replied " doc said to cut back on two scoops of icecream per week. "

>

> Like his physique, his diet has not changed either since HS days.

He eats lots of fried foods everyday like french fries, hot wings,

hamburgers, pizza, lots of meat dishes etc. He eats three " squares

per day " religiously but watching him I can say that he doesn't

overeat but eats to satiety which ends up small to normal portions.

>

> Now, here's the question. Is it likely that he is at risk for

heart disease? Without more information I know you can't tell his

specific risk but does being predisposed to a lean muscular physique

and maitaining a stable weight since adolescence... does this impart

any protective effect from CVD in these individuals even with lousy

blood lipid values?

[Guest guest]

High cholesterol has not been shown to cause CVD. It's a

pharmaceutical industry con.

>

> Hello all. New to the group and have started reading all the

messages from the beginning. The signal to noise ratio seems very

good here.

>

> I'd like a little feedback on something. I have a friend who is

lean (<10% bodyfat) and whose weight has remained stable since his

highschool days. He is 49 now. He reamins ripped and muscular

although he hasn't exercised since his high school days. His weight

and his physique hasn't changed for all appearances in all these

years.

>

> His total cholesterol is 235! That's all he can recall just coming

from the doctor's office, he has no idea what the other values are

for HDL and LDL. I asked what the doctor said to him he replied " doc

said to cut back on two scoops of icecream per week. "

>

> Like his physique, his diet has not changed either since HS days.

He eats lots of fried foods everyday like french fries, hot wings,

hamburgers, pizza, lots of meat dishes etc. He eats three " squares

per day " religiously but watching him I can say that he doesn't

overeat but eats to satiety which ends up small to normal portions.

>

> Now, here's the question. Is it likely that he is at risk for heart

disease? Without more information I know you can't tell his specific

risk but does being predisposed to a lean muscular physique and

maitaining a stable weight since adolescence... does this impart any

protective effect from CVD in these individuals even with lousy blood

lipid values?

[Guest guest]

>>>

He eats lots of fried foods everyday like french fries, hot wings,

hamburgers, pizza, lots of meat dishes etc. He eats three " squares per

day " religiously but watching him I can say that he doesn't overeat

but eats to satiety which ends up small to normal portions.

>>>

Blood cholesterol is influenced substantially by diet. You can

consume a lot of trans-fats by eating commercially prepared fried

foods like *french fries*. Trans-fats are notorious for increasing

cholesterol and have been associated with a higher risk of heart

attacks.

Tony