Re: Insulin, exercise, CR and breast cancer

[Guest guest]

Hi Al:

Very good point. It is about time someone did the definitive

research to determine the relationship between caloric intake and

BMI, etc.. (Perhaps it has been done. And the Benedict

equation, and others like it, are, in effect, the results?)

Then we would simply be able to measure BMI (and perhaps a couple of

oher variables) and immediately deduce recent average daily caloric

intake, without the subject having to report anything. It would

solve the well-known problem of the unreliability of self-reported

food intake.

Rodney.

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> Are we to believe that the women had calorie intakes of less than

> 1600 while having only 29% that had a BMI less than 25?

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[Guest guest]

Any such metric would surely be only useful in the average since individual

variables would confound specific application.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...]

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:21 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Insulin, exercise, CR and breast cancer

Hi Al:

Very good point. It is about time someone did the definitive

research to determine the relationship between caloric intake and

BMI, etc.. (Perhaps it has been done. And the Benedict

equation, and others like it, are, in effect, the results?)

Then we would simply be able to measure BMI (and perhaps a couple of

oher variables) and immediately deduce recent average daily caloric

intake, without the subject having to report anything. It would

solve the well-known problem of the unreliability of self-reported

food intake.

Rodney.

--- In , " old542000 " <apater@m...>

wrote:

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> Hi All,

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> Are we to believe that the women had calorie intakes of less than

> 1600 while having only 29% that had a BMI less than 25?

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[Guest guest]

Hi JR:

Agreed. That is why I added the " and perhaps with a couple of other

variables " .

Rodney.

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[Guest guest]

I find the H-B very precise, BUT in use the big variable is exercise. Like I've found working outdoors is about 100 kcals per hour. Heavy work or working in cold weather is about 200 kcals per hour. My treadmill says 420 kcals walking 3 miles, 3 mph, 10% grade. That's easy to verify, but other things are not. And they are probably very individualistic.

So when you're trying to manage to an accuracy of 7 kcals, it's not easy. You just have to be light one day if you 've added weight. Maybe in a few days drop 3 # or so.

So trying to place an additional function into that equation is going to be perilous at best. I think measuring BG, like Shurie does is maybe helpful for D2's. I don't see a use for it for me.

Weight measurement is the best basic guide I can do every day, and cut breakfast if I'm over. The insurance table nominal (same as BMI) is the best goal for obeser's till they get control of their weight.

And knowledge of CR is he best way to get there.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:51 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Insulin, exercise, CR and breast cancer

> > Hi Al:> > Very good point. It is about time someone did the definitive> research to determine the relationship between caloric intake and> BMI, etc.. (Perhaps it has been done. And the Benedict> equation, and others like it, are, in effect, the results?)> > Then we would simply be able to measure BMI (and perhaps a couple of> oher variables) and immediately deduce recent average daily caloric> intake, without the subject having to report anything. It would> solve the well-known problem of the unreliability of self-reported> food intake.> > Rodney.> > > >> > Hi All,> >> > Are we to believe that the women had calorie intakes of less than> > 1600 while having only 29% that had a BMI less than 25?> >

[Guest guest]

Hi JW:

Well I find that all these methods of determining caloric expenditure

overstate mine by 200 to 400 calories per day. If I eat 300 calories

a day less than they say my caloric expenditure should be, I do not

lose weight.

Rodney.

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> I find the H-B very precise

[Guest guest]

Yes, if I ate the 2300 I'm supposed to eat, I'd be back to 234# in a few weeks. H-B may not work for youngers too well.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:19 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Insulin, exercise, CR and breast cancer

Hi JW:Well I find that all these methods of determining caloric expenditure overstate mine by 200 to 400 calories per day. If I eat 300 calories a day less than they say my caloric expenditure should be, I do not lose weight.Rodney.> I find the H-B very precise