Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 I guess I don't accept the destiny aspect of the words below. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Francesca Skelton support group Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: [ ] Skip These Tests? There is no question in my mind that if you remove all the prostates youare going to make a major difference in death by prostate cancer. But youare not going to make a major difference in death or the timing of yourdeath. You're going to die about the same time of something else and there'sa good chance that you're going to spend your post-radical-prostatectomytime coping with impotence and incontinence. The same [general principle]pertains to breast cancer, colon cancer and most heart disease.So how do you personally deal with all this?I will die, hopefully on my 85th birthday, and I don't really care which ofthe diseases that I'm bearing on my 85th birthday does me in. I only carethat I made it to my 85th birthday -- plus or minus something -- and on thatbirthday I can look back and smile. -- Agnvall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Hi folks: My take on this is that some people are prepared to make an effort to take care of their health - a small minority it seems to me - while the vast majority, to quote from Francesca's post below: " really don't care " . My family doctor has told me that in her experience: " you cannot get anyone to change anything in their lives in order to improve their health " . To take a few examples: some people smoke; others drink themselves into oblivion on a regular basis; yet others eat grossly too much food; and still more eat all the wrong foods; and not a few, all of the above at the same time. Few of them are ignorant of what they are doing. Pretty much everyone knows smoking, alcoholism and obesity are dangerous; and will have seen the publicity over many years about the dangers of fats (whether you happen to believe it or not). So perhaps the majority of tests done are a waste of time and money because it is the people who do not care who need the tests most, and we can assume that even after having had them done and been told what the results mean, they will probably do nothing anyway, beyond swallowing a couple of pills, if someone else will pay for them, if/when they remember. But for the few of the human race who are prepared to make the effort to do what they can to preserve their health, occasionally a test result may highlight an issue they did not know about. Then, hopefully, they may be able to do something extra to protect themselves. But I really do not understand this. Nor, I am afraid, do I have much sympathy for people who, by their actions, demonstrate that they just do not care about their health, or even that of their kids. Let them get on with it. In the meantime I will take any test anyone would like to give me, if I have reason to believe it may tell me something I might need to know about my health. And if the results suggest some kind of action I will take that action, while recognizing that, since medicine is still far from a precise science, some of the things I do may turn out to be unnecessary, or even actively unhelpful. Because of the latter I do try to avoid as far as possible taking any type of medication unless the evidence appears to be abundantly clear that it is absolutely necessary. Indeed as I walk though any drug store I find myself shaking my head and asking myself 'who in hell BUYS all this stuff?'. Rodney. The attitude of the majority of the population appears to be reflected in the fact that even after a considerable amount of publicity about CRON in the past few years only a few thousand (perhaps 0.003%) of the ~330 million people in North America have signed up with free internet information sources on the subject. > I will die, hopefully on my 85th birthday, and I don't really care which of > the diseases that I'm bearing on my 85th birthday does me in. I only care > that I made it to my 85th birthday -- plus or minus something -- and on that > birthday I can look back and smile. > > -- Agnvall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Hi folks: And then you have the hypochondriacs! Rodney. > > > I will die, hopefully on my 85th birthday, and I don't really care > which of > > the diseases that I'm bearing on my 85th birthday does me in. I > only care > > that I made it to my 85th birthday -- plus or minus something -- > and on that > > birthday I can look back and smile. > > > > -- Agnvall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I guess I've migrated to a hypochondriac status, obsessive/compulsive worst case, BUT moderate. Does that mean I'll live longer? How would I know? There's no test for that (ha). Realistically, Nortin Hadler, is not correct. I can think of several cases but probably the most impressive is a 3 day old baby with an ASD, VSD, and constricted aorta. Do we let it die or fix it? A hundred years we had no choice. Texas Children's Hospital has been doing that heart operation for fifty years. I saw the 50 yo on TV. Just doing the op develops the technique for future generations. So these tests that come about are the result of someone studying the data and hypothesizing a method to prevent or cure the problem and maybe allow that person to live a few more years, fruitful or not. I have friends who have survived strokes, heart bypasses, and some are being kept alive with drugs. Surely he's not saying quit treating patients if you have a protocol to treat them. But it sounds like he is saying don't ask, don't try to uncover new ways to treat, don't try to prevent the inevitable from happening? I guess I just don't understand his logic. But I think he's gets my FOS award this year. Regards. --- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:41 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Skip These Tests? Hi folks:And then you have the hypochondriacs!Rodney.> > Hi folks:> > My take on this is that some people are prepared to make an effort to > take care of their health - a small minority it seems to me - while > the vast majority, to quote from Francesca's post below: "really > don't care".> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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