Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 I don't know exactly what you mean, but I have a bad problem with mucus and I use Mucinex. It helps a little anyhow. Pam mucus Would anyone having tried a mucus treatment, please explain to me whatand how you did this? I have tried searching online and could notfind any information.Thanks, Milissa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Are you referring to mucus caused by allergies? or to guaifenesin treatment for fibro, for example: http://arthritis.about.com/od/fibromyalgia/f/guaifenesin.htm Dom > > Would anyone having tried a mucus treatment, please explain to me what > and how you did this? I have tried searching online and could not > find any information. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Are you referring to guaifenesin treatment for fibromyalgia? Dom > > Would anyone having tried a mucus treatment, please explain to me what > and how you did this? I have tried searching online and could not > find any information. > > Thanks, > > Milissa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Stop using any milk products , and see if it doesn't help alot with your mucus. Yogart seems to be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 I use a variety of meds for mucus. Mucus is my biggest problem right now besides the pain and weakness. Anything with guaifenesin in it is great. I alternate between Mucinex During the day and Tylenol allergy or Tylenol Sinus at night. I prefer the 1200mg Mucinex in the blue bottle, straight mucus relief without additives, but if I take it too much it gives me a foggy headache, and if there is not enough moisture in the air then I will cough. When the air is too dry or I have to sleep or I have had too much mucinex then I take the Tylenol Sinus, during the day, and if I have trouble falling asleep from too much of this type of med then I will take the Tylenol Allergy. It is milder and has less effect, but it still keeps it in my system while it still lets me sleep. Guaifenesin has a tendency to wake me up but in the milder form of Tylenol Allergy (with the acetamenaphen(sp?))it makes me sleepy, while Tylenol Sinus wakes me up. If I haven't been sleeping well at all for about a week and the sleep meds just aren't doing it, then I skip it all and take Benadryl just to sleep and pick up with the Mucinex the next morning. It is merely a matter of finding out what system works best for you, and then being flexible enough to keep changing it on a regular basis to keep your body guessing. Once your body gets used to it then you have to change or it will have no effect. Sometimes during the Summer months I switch it up completely to throw it off by using Dayquil for several weeks. I am at a disposition with this whole thing because I am allergic to aspirin and Ibuprofen and motrin(which is great for cold symptoms). All of these meds would land me in the emergency room, so I have to stick with acetamenaphen (sp?). Try just reading lables at the stores to see what ingredients are in the cold and sinus meds and keep a good record of what effect each one has on you throughout the day and night. You will find a personal system that works for you. Good Luck. Stacie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Okay, here's where I tell what I take for sleep: Zyrtec-D. It's an antihistamine with a decongestant. The Decongestant has been a life saver for me. I can breath better and I happen to have a body that just wants to crash when I sleep (all of my vitals plummet and so I have micro-arousals throughout the night so that my sleep is so disrupted that I'm exhausted when I wake up). After learning about this weird thing my body does, and being told by a friend of mine in sleep medicine that I needed to take a stimulant in order to get a good nights rest, I stumbled on the Zyrtec D by accident: telling my internal med physician that regular Zyrtec wasn't a strong enough anti-histamine for me... so she suggested I try Zyrtec D, but she told me to be careful about taking it as it could affect my sleep and give me insomnia, so I took it at night as an experiment to see if it would actually help, and IT DID! For the first time ever since I can remember, and I do mean as in all of my life, I had a good night's sleep and felt that thing that you're supposed to feel after a good night's sleep that I had never experienced before: " refreshed. " If anyone has questions, please cc my email when you reply and put something like Attn: Dawn or Zyrtec-D in the subject. I get massive amounts of email and might miss it. If you don't get a reply, I probably didn't see your email. Dawn > > > > Would anyone having tried a mucus treatment, please explain to me what > > and how you did this? I have tried searching online and could not > > find any information. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Milissa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 I take Zyrtec occasionally when I need it for allergies (here in FL), but that's interesting about how Zyrtec-D helps you sleep better! Atarax is something I take when I have unexplained all over itching, and it always helps me sleep better too. It's a prescription antihistamine. I have also heard from people with FMS who have gotten good results with ADD meds!! Dom > > Okay, here's where I tell what I take for sleep: Zyrtec-D. It's an > antihistamine with a decongestant. The Decongestant has been a life > saver for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 I am referring to guaifenesin treatment for fibro -- Re: mucus Are you referring to mucus caused by allergies? or to guaifenesintreatment for fibro, for example: http://arthritis.about.com/od/fibromyalgia/f/guaifenesin.htm Dom>> Would anyone having tried a mucus treatment, please explain to me what> and how you did this? I have tried searching online and could not> find any information.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Google Dr. St. Amand, developer of the guai protocol. There are many sites - here's one with lots of info and many links to more info: http://www.cfs-recovery.org/guaifenesin.htm And this Dr. St. Amand's rebuttal to a well-meaning article about guai but which he felt had errors: http://www.geocities.com/cfsdays/drsasres.htm My mail runs 50/50 as to whether the guai protocol was helpful. It is difficult to follow, but many fibromites say it has been helpful. Perhaps the others didn't follow it to the letter, or perhaps different things work for different fibromites. Dom > > I am referring to guaifenesin treatment for fibro > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Have you considered candidiasis - yeast in the gut - mucus can be a symptom of this, and the yeast must be treated with a couple of drugs -however, my doctor has introduced me to a natural treatment. If you are interested, you may mail me and I will give you the name - re: the drug treatments, google is a wonderful source of info . (regarding anything!) Your doctor also will know about candida, not uncommon in FMS and Chronic Fatigue. there can be also other symptoms. fibrofan jmn@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Wayne,Thanks for this review ; as you imply, topical irrigation solutions should be subjected to risk-benefit analysis before use. However, this is the case for some of them (ie litterature exists) but not all. Therefore, we still have to act a bit empirically by trial-and-error when information is lacking. Regarding NAC, I had a poor first-use topical experience (thought it gave me headaches and stopped using it), but I retested it on thick nasal lavage mucus in a dish and saw that it had a very good depolymerizing action. I am now trying it again against infection in the idea that it may help against biofilm matrix.Oral NAC never really helped, at least as far as I can tell, but I may have used too low a dose.>> Mucus and Mucins,Bruce K. Rubin,Otolaryngol Clin N Am,43,(2010),pgs27-3> > Reading this paper got me thinking about this aspect of Samter's> .A hypersecretion of mucus is something we all deal with.For example caffeine,antihistamine,decongestant and alcohol consumption intake during a day might each or all cause excessive dryness and worsening of our symptoms, aggravating sinus infections or promoting infections by decreasing sinus drainage,not to mention an effect that would probably exacerbate existing or forming biofilms.So basically some guidlines might helpus all.> The sinus congestion caused me to seek relief from decongestants which at first I probably used more judiciously than later.After a while I would take them every night just to help me breath while sleeping. Also taking 3 capsules of Benadryl each night seemed to help me sleep and help with those annoying hives after eating the wrong food .Coffee helped me wake up,study later in the school years and also helped with that annoying asthma.And the alcohol helped me relax and clear my head and unwind and was a reward for my efforts.After all these drugs are all OTC. Thirty years ago I could go to KMART in nearby Buffalo.N.Y. and buy primatene mist OTC which was epinephrine for asthma relief( not a very safe treatment due to cardiac effects).So my point is be informed how you use these OTC substances(ie risks) , be judicious in their benefit and don't become habituated to their use.> On the other side we can use mucolytics (the article above discusses them),vaporizers,properly hydrate ourselves etc.There should be an overall balance that will benefit us.Also it would be wise to minimize the use of these products unless really needed.The idea of preventing symptoms by using the above is not the best route to take.> The paper talks about expectorants(ie 7% saline aerosol or dry powder mannitol),mucokinetic agents (ii beta agonist bronchodilators),mucospissic agents(ie tetracycline),adhesive drugs (ie aerosol surfactants)and mucoregulatory medications(ie macrolide antibiotics).Classic mucolytics such as N-acetylcysteine reduce the viscoelasticity of mucin but no effect on the secondary DNA-F-actin polymernetwork(not useful in CF),also may be disadvantageous for the host(ie mucous is defensive,see below).Newer drugs under development like thymosin beta 4 that can depolymerize the F-actin network(ie CF ,and bronchiectasis). For phelgm with a dna component or F-actin polymer network.there is dormase alpha(ie CF ).> Mucin secretion is defensive and mucin can neutralize some pro inflammatory mediators(ie cytokines and reactive oxygen species), and mucin may inhibit bacterial biofilm formation.While mucus plays a defensive role ,mucus overproduction can overwhelm mucociliary clearance,producing airflow obstruction,infection and inflammation in the airway leads to poor mucus clearance,stimulates mucus secretion and production and can cause ciliary dysfunction.Retained secretion containing mucus and inflammatory productswith DNA and filamentous (F)-actin copolymers is called phlegm from the greek word for inflammation.> Also what starts as congestion over time does this progress to other things such as aerophagia or GERD due to the obstruction and pressure imbalances?I have had belching episodes related to swallowing air (areophagia) and found decongestants would help break this ( so obviously a sinus related condition)cycle. If someone can offer other guidlines in the use of the above I encourage you to do so, so we all might benefit ? Wayne> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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