Re: Which college majors live the longest?

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Interesting, especially WRT the myth that doctors have a low life expectancy.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:58:09 -0600, Dennis De Jarnette

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[Guest guest]

> Interesting, especially WRT the myth

> that doctors have a low life expectancy.

Well, they're not compared to the general population, though evidently level

of education has a direct correlation to lifespan. All this tells us is

that in comparison to the boozing & smoking Literature scholars, doctors are

reasonably well off... Of course, the sample population is in Scotland, and

they don't comment on heart disease (now, which group is most fond of deep

fried Mars bars?).

I do wonder, however, if this relates to income level as well. How do

tenured faculty compare across the disciplines...

Cheers,

(defending my PhD in Literature in the next few months)

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> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:58:09 -0600, Dennis De Jarnette

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[Guest guest]

Agreed, . I'd bet income and education level correlate well with

life expectancy.

Best of luck with your thesis defence!

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:47:50 -0700, Gifford <gifford3@...> wrote:

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> > Interesting, especially WRT the myth

> > that doctors have a low life expectancy.

>

> Well, they're not compared to the general population, though evidently level

> of education has a direct correlation to lifespan. All this tells us is

> that in comparison to the boozing & smoking Literature scholars, doctors are

> reasonably well off... Of course, the sample population is in Scotland, and

> they don't comment on heart disease (now, which group is most fond of deep

> fried Mars bars?).

>

> I do wonder, however, if this relates to income level as well. How do

> tenured faculty compare across the disciplines...

>

> Cheers,

>

> (defending my PhD in Literature in the next few months)

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> > On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:58:09 -0600, Dennis De Jarnette

> > <positivedennis@...> wrote:

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> > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/atplay/package.jsp?name=fte/colleg

> emajor/collegemajor & floc=wn-np

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> > > Which college majors live the longest?

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> > > Positive Dennis

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[Guest guest]

>>Agreed, . I'd bet income and education level correlate well with life

expectancy.

This is interesting. Last week I spoke to the Worlds Presidents Organization,

which is the older version of the YPO. So, these are all the top CEO's of the

world. There are 4000 in the world, and about 100 were there last week. Very

educated and successful. When I got to the room and was setting up, I noticed

something very unique, this was by far the most fit, healthy and trim group I

have ever spoken to. There was only 2 people who " appeared " to have excess

weight, one by not much and the other maybe 15 lbs at most. All the Spouses

were also trim and fit looking. I said to them that I think I was at the wrong

place.

Well, this became a topic during the Q & A part and they all seemed not only

highly knowedgeable but also applied the knowledge. They were not influenced by

" best selling " or " fad " diets or trends.

The issue of longevity and " that research on extending the life of rats " came up

so many of them were looking for more than trim and fit. And we discussed

CR-ON and Walfords work and the WUSTL study.

If only everyone took the message of health to heart like this group did.

But then I would be out of a job!

Regards

Jeff

[Guest guest]

With support like that, I'm a bit suprised more funds are not directed

towards life extension, such as the Methuselah Mouse Prize, etc.

Where is when ya need him?

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:37:26 -0500, Jeff Novick <jnovick@...> wrote:

> >>Agreed, . I'd bet income and education level correlate well with life

expectancy.

>

> This is interesting. Last week I spoke to the Worlds Presidents

Organization, which is the older version of the YPO. So, these are all the top

CEO's of the world. There are 4000 in the world, and about 100 were there last

week. Very educated and successful. When I got to the room and was setting

up, I noticed something very unique, this was by far the most fit, healthy and

trim group I have ever spoken to. There was only 2 people who " appeared " to

have excess weight, one by not much and the other maybe 15 lbs at most. All the

Spouses were also trim and fit looking. I said to them that I think I was at

the wrong place.

>

> Well, this became a topic during the Q & A part and they all seemed not only

highly knowedgeable but also applied the knowledge. They were not influenced by

" best selling " or " fad " diets or trends.

>

> The issue of longevity and " that research on extending the life of rats " came

up so many of them were looking for more than trim and fit. And we discussed

CR-ON and Walfords work and the WUSTL study.

>

> If only everyone took the message of health to heart like this group did.

>

> But then I would be out of a job!

>

> Regards

> Jeff

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[Guest guest]

bummer... as a college dropout, I guess I'm going to die. :-)

My personal theory is that people only have so much mental energy or

attention span to apply to daily problem solving. If that energy is consumed

by securing shelter and sustenance there is little left to apply to less

immediate concerns like future health and longevity. This gets exacerbated

by the " feel good " release of (endorphins?) from eating calorie dense foods,

sometimes used to mitigate not feeling good from the events of the day.

Money doesn't buy health and happiness but it's a good start :-).

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Dowling [mailto:christopher.a.dowling@...]

Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:25 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Which college majors live the longest?

Agreed, . I'd bet income and education level correlate well with

life expectancy.

Best of luck with your thesis defence!

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:47:50 -0700, Gifford <gifford3@...> wrote:

>

> > Interesting, especially WRT the myth

> > that doctors have a low life expectancy.

>

> Well, they're not compared to the general population, though evidently

level

> of education has a direct correlation to lifespan. All this tells us is

> that in comparison to the boozing & smoking Literature scholars, doctors

are

> reasonably well off... Of course, the sample population is in Scotland,

and

> they don't comment on heart disease (now, which group is most fond of deep

> fried Mars bars?).

>

> I do wonder, however, if this relates to income level as well. How do

> tenured faculty compare across the disciplines...

>

> Cheers,

>

> (defending my PhD in Literature in the next few months)

>

[Guest guest]

Education doesn't necessarily start and end with school, of course.

You are in the good company of Bill Gates and Branson. Like

them, evidently you've come by your education without formal degrees.

Your end results appear to me to be valid. Education and income don't

ensure longevity, but they give one a definite advantage of time and

resources to devote to healthful living, if the individual so chooses.

Although many of my colleagues (with graduate degrees and high 6

figure incomes) are health conscious in their diet and lifestyle

practices, a few of them seem to eschew all such endeavors. So far,

in this small cohort, we're all alive....

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:58:29 -0600, <crjohnr@...> wrote:

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> bummer... as a college dropout, I guess I'm going to die. :-)

>

> My personal theory is that people only have so much mental energy or

> attention span to apply to daily problem solving. If that energy is consumed

> by securing shelter and sustenance there is little left to apply to less

> immediate concerns like future health and longevity. This gets exacerbated

> by the " feel good " release of (endorphins?) from eating calorie dense foods,

> sometimes used to mitigate not feeling good from the events of the day.

>

> Money doesn't buy health and happiness but it's a good start :-).

>

> JR

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dowling [mailto:christopher.a.dowling@...]

> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:25 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Which college majors live the longest?

>

> Agreed, . I'd bet income and education level correlate well with

> life expectancy.

>

> Best of luck with your thesis defence!

>

> On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:47:50 -0700, Gifford <gifford3@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Interesting, especially WRT the myth

> > > that doctors have a low life expectancy.

> >

> > Well, they're not compared to the general population, though evidently

> level

> > of education has a direct correlation to lifespan. All this tells us is

> > that in comparison to the boozing & smoking Literature scholars, doctors

> are

> > reasonably well off... Of course, the sample population is in Scotland,

> and

> > they don't comment on heart disease (now, which group is most fond of deep

> > fried Mars bars?).

> >

> > I do wonder, however, if this relates to income level as well. How do

> > tenured faculty compare across the disciplines...

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> > (defending my PhD in Literature in the next few months)

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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> Which college majors live the longest?

Hi All,

The below may address many of your comments on this research.

University degree type and longevity may be of interest and related.

There seem to be plenty of MD's among us. Does having a poor

family disease history affect their choice on profession?

After the web site URL and Medline abstract, are most of the

Results section of the available pdf, below.

http://tinyurl.com/49xev

J R Soc Med. 2003 Aug;96(8):384-8.

Association between course of study at university and cause-specific

mortality.

McCarron P, Okasha M, McEwen J, GD.

... all-cause and cause-specific mortality in a

prospective follow-up of male students who underwent health

examinations while

attending Glasgow University from 1948 to 1968. Among the 9887 (84%)

alumni

traced by means of the NHS Central Register, 8367 (85%) had full data

on

important potential confounding variables; 939 of these men had died.

Physiological variables differed little between students from the

various

faculties. Medical students were most likely to come from affluent

social

backgrounds and, after law students, were most likely to be smokers.

Compared

with former medical students, former arts and law students had excess

all-cause

and cardiovascular disease mortality, while science and engineering

alumni had

similar risks. Former medical students had lower lung cancer

mortality than

other alumni but higher mortality from alcohol-related causes

including

accidents, suicide and violence. The lower mortality risks observed

among former

medical and engineering students may be due to their better

employment prospects

and healthier lifestyle behaviours, although the high mortality from

alcohol-related causes among former medical students underscores the

complexity

of choice of health behaviour. ...

PMID: 12893853 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

... Characteristics of traced students according to faculty

are shown in Table 1. Divinity students were older than

other students and had the lowest age-adjusted mean

systolic blood pressure. There was little difference in mean

systolic blood pressure among students from other faculties.

Differences in mean height and BMI across all faculties were

small, although arts students were on average shorter than

other students. Medical students had the highest proportion

of fathers in social classes I and II, followed by law students;

arts and divinity students had the lowest proportion of

fathers in these social classes. Medical students were also

most likely to have a father who was a doctor (7.8%),

followed by law (1.8%) and science (1.4%) students.

Science students were most likely to be non-smokers, with

law students and then medical students having the largest

proportions of smokers. The question on alcohol consump-tion

was incompletely answered: students of the science and

law faculties were the most forthcoming, with 91.2% and

90.0% response rates, while students of the medical faculty

were the most reticent (84.9% answering). Of those who

did respond, divinity students were least likely to consume

alcohol while only one-third of law students said they did

not imbibe.

There were 939 deaths among former students who had

data on confounders (Table 2). Compared with medical

faculty alumni, former arts and law students had excess all-cause

and cardiovascular mortality, divinity students had

excess all-cause mortality, while science and engineering

alumni had similar risks.

[The all-cause adjusted relative risks of dying were:

Medicine, 1.42; divinity 1.10; engineering. 0.99;

law, 1.30; science, 1.13.]

Former arts students had over

twice the lung cancer and respiratory disease mortality of

medical alumni but half the risk of death from accidents,

suicide and violence. There was some evidence that law and

science students, also, had greater risk of death from lung

cancer than their medical faculty peers. The risk of alcohol-related

deaths was higher in former medical students than in

alumni from any other faculty. Controlling for potential

confounders made little difference to these findings.

....

Cheers, Al Pater