Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Hi folks: From this it appears that 'sudden cardiac death' accounts for about half of all deaths from heart disease, and is not some rare event confined to a few runners. From this I conclude that when a runner drops dead in the street most of the time it does not mean he died from something different from clogged arteries. Am I mistaken? " What is sudden cardiac death (SCD)? ------------------------------------ It's the sudden, abrupt loss of heart function (i.e., cardiac arrest) in a person who may or may not have diagnosed heart disease, but in whom the time and mode of death occur unexpectedly. The unexpected nature of the event is the key point in the definition. ------------------------------------------------------------------- How common is the sudden cardiac death syndrome? ------------------------------------------------ About half of all deaths from heart disease are sudden and unexpected, regardless of the underlying disease. Thus 50 percent of all deaths due to atherosclerosis of the coronary arteries are sudden, as are 50 percent of deaths due to degeneration of the heart muscle, or to cardiac enlargement in patients with high blood pressure. Sudden death is a major health problem; about 250,000 sudden cardiac deaths occur each year among U.S. adults. Controlling SCD might significantly reduce death from heart diseases. ------------------------------------------------------------------- " What causes sudden cardiac death? ---------------------------------- SCD is the result of an unresuscitated cardiac arrest, which may be caused by almost all known heart diseases. Most cardiac arrests are due to rapid and/or chaotic activity of the heart (ventricular tachycardia or fibrillation); some are due to extreme slowing of the heart. These events are called life-threatening arrhythmias and are responsible for sudden death. The term massive heart attack, commonly used in the media to describe sudden death, only infrequently is responsible. Heart attack more properly refers to death of heart muscle tissue due to the loss of blood supply. While a heart attack may cause cardiac arrest and sudden cardiac death, the terms aren't synonymous. " Rodney. --- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> wrote: > > Hi folks: > > I just had to post the following: > > " Sudden Cardiac Death (SCD) - Affects 350,000 - 400,000 each year in > the US alone. Only 5% of victims survive. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Hi folks: Sorry. Source for that: " Arrhythmias and Sudden Cardiac Death A Publication of the American Heart Association " Rodney. --- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> wrote: > > Hi folks: > > From this it appears that 'sudden cardiac death' accounts for about > half of all deaths from heart disease, and is not some rare event > confined to a few runners. From this I conclude that when a runner > drops dead in the street most of the time it does not mean he died > from something different from clogged arteries. Am I mistaken? > > " What is sudden cardiac death (SCD)? > ------------------------------------ > It's the sudden, abrupt loss of heart function (i.e., cardiac arrest) > in a person who may or may not have diagnosed heart disease, but in > whom the time and mode of death occur unexpectedly. The unexpected > nature of the event is the key point in the definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I find that 5% survive death pretty nice :-). JR -----Original Message----- From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [ ] Sudden Cardiac Death Hi folks: I just had to post the following: " Sudden Cardiac Death (SCD) - Affects 350,000 - 400,000 each year in the US alone. Only 5% of victims survive. " http://web.ask.com/redir?bpg=http%3a%2f%2fweb.ask.com%2fweb%3fq% 3dwhat%2bcauses%2bsudden%2bcardiac%2bdeath%253f%2b%2bSCD%26o%3d0% 26page%3d1 & q=what+causes+sudden+cardiac+death%3f++SCD & u=http%3a%2f% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 While this is purely anecdotal the few runners I am personally aware of who ended their runs the hard way did so from undiagnosed heart defects and/or aneurysm. The several non-running folks I know who have had and survived common heart attacks were mostly overweight. The one who wasn't overweight had a terrible diet (high fat/low veg). That fat are still fat, the not fat bad-eater is now a better eater. I worry about them all but find it difficult enough to change my own behavior, let alone theirs. FWIW my younger sister quit smoking and cleaned up her diet after her first cancer. Too little, too late. RIP. Most of us still have the opportunity to be proactive about our personal health. Shake your family tree to see what your personal risk factors are likely to be and learn as much as you can. Despite all the snake oil salesmen out there preying on the scared, high nutrition combined with low energy intake seems to be almost universally protective. By this I don't suggest complacency. Good health is a goal that requires focus and effort. Be well. JR -----Original Message----- From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Sudden Cardiac Death Hi folks: From this it appears that 'sudden cardiac death' accounts for about half of all deaths from heart disease, and is not some rare event confined to a few runners. From this I conclude that when a runner drops dead in the street most of the time it does not mean he died from something different from clogged arteries. Am I mistaken? " What is sudden cardiac death (SCD)? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Hi All, 5% surviving death sounds high to me. Cheers, Al Pater. --- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> wrote: > > Hi folks: > > I just had to post the following: > > " Sudden Cardiac Death (SCD) - Affects 350,000 - 400,000 each year in > the US alone. Only 5% of victims survive. " > > http://web.ask.com/redir?bpg=http%3a%2f%2fweb.ask.com%2fweb%3fq% > 3dwhat%2bcauses%2bsudden%2bcardiac%2bdeath%253f%2b%2bSCD%26o%3d0% > 26page%3d1 & q=what+causes+sudden+cardiac+death%3f++SCD & u=http%3a%2f% > 2ftm.wc.ask.com%2fr%3ft%3dan%26s%3da%26uid%3d21864b1671864b167% 26sid% > 3d31864b1671864b167%26qid%3d961A4E9603460B428A9F14A34933633B%26io% 3d0% > 26sv%3dza5cb0dc2%26o%3d0%26ask%3dwhat%2bcauses%2bsudden%2bcardiac% > 2bdeath%253f%2b%2bSCD%26uip%3d1864b167%26en%3dte%26eo%3d-100%26pt% > 3dSudden%2bCardiac%2bDeath%2b(SCD)%26ac%3d3%26qs%3d0%26pg%3d1%26ep% > 3d1%26te_par%3d158%26te_id%3d%26u%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.longqt.net% > 2fpowerpoint%2ftsld004.htm & s=a & bu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.longqt.net% > 2fpowerpoint%2ftsld004.htm & qte=0 & o=0 & abs=Sudden+Cardiac+Death+(SCD) > +Affects+350%2c000+-+400%2c000+each+year+in+the+US+alone+...+Only+5% > 25+of+victims+survive+...+Causes+of+SCD+may+include... & tit=Sudden+Card > iac+Death+(SCD) & bin= & cat=wp & purl=http%3a%2f%2ftm.wc.ask.com%2fi% > 2fb.html%3ft%3dan%26s%3da%26uid%3d21864b1671864b167%26sid% > 3d31864b1671864b167%26qid%3d961A4E9603460B428A9F14A34933633B%26io% 3d% > 26sv%3dza5cb0dc2%26o%3d0%26ask%3dwhat%2bcauses%2bsudden%2bcardiac% > 2bdeath%253f%2b%2bSCD%26uip%3d1864b167%26en%3dbm%26eo%3d-100%26pt% 3d% > 26ac%3d24%26qs%3d0%26pg%3d1%26u%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fmyjeeves.ask.com% > 2faction%2fsnip & Complete=1 > > http://snipurl.com/9xo8 > > And it looks like we should give thanks for smaller miracles also, > like www.snipurl.com!!! > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 IMHO, it's not unreasonable that overweight/obese people could have clear arteries, whether due to supplementation, food fetishes or genetic factors. Hence, the lack of a strong correlation between BMI and cardic risk. But running/marathons is a very pro-oxidant activity and I highly doubt such people ingest large quantities of antioxidants to offset the damage. The heart is bound to suffer somehow, especially due to electrolyte/mineral depletion. I would wager if there's no artherosclerosis, they're probably devoid of magnesium. Logan --- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> wrote: > > Hi folks: > > From this it appears that 'sudden cardiac death' accounts for about > half of all deaths from heart disease, and is not some rare event > confined to a few runners. From this I conclude that when a runner > drops dead in the street most of the time it does not mean he died > from something different from clogged arteries. Am I mistaken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 One of the articles I posted said the cause of SCD is unknown. That means they don't know what causes it. That means after analysis of many cases they were unable to identify a cause for fibrillation, arrhythmia, whatever. It seems to occur at all ages, but it may not be always the same reason at any given age. Half the people who have a "heart attack" don't make it to the hospital. Some "healthy" people can have aneurysms. Sometimes those are caught in a stress test/angiogram and stented. The vice president had one about the time he took office. Stents can also cause ischemic stroke. Some "healthy" people have CAD. But if I was a marathoner, I would get cozy with my cardiologist, before I thought that diets or supplements would take care of me. In fact, I would do that anyway whether I was obese, whether I had a family history or not, whether I was under "stress" or not, and whether I was a young football player in "excellent" physical condition or not. Also, if I was thinking about starting CR. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: loganruns73 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:37 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Sudden Cardiac Death IMHO, it's not unreasonable that overweight/obese people could have clear arteries, whether due to supplementation, food fetishes or genetic factors. Hence, the lack of a strong correlation between BMI and cardic risk.But running/marathons is a very pro-oxidant activity and I highly doubt such people ingest large quantities of antioxidants to offset the damage. The heart is bound to suffer somehow, especially due to electrolyte/mineral depletion. I would wager if there's no artherosclerosis, they're probably devoid of magnesium.Logan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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