Re: Mediterranean Diet

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In a message dated 6/28/03 11:34:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> And lower meat/dairy might well help in our culture considering

> most of the meat/dairy is pretty unhealthy from the usual sources (though

> this article is still against " saturated fats " in general). Still, it is an

> improvement ...

Maybe it depends on the person. I ate an enormous amount of sugar when I was

12-15 years old. The sugar and coca-cola gave me lung problems (and

cigarettes didn't), but it didn't give me cavities. When I switched from

pasteurized

cow milk to soy milk, I got two cavities after a year or so. When I

eliminated animal products, I got another 15 cavities, and two root canals.

Despite

all the sugar, the cheap crap animal products I was eating were a protective.

Chris

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>When I

>eliminated animal products, I got another 15 cavities, and two root

>canals. Despite

>all the sugar, the cheap crap animal products I was eating were a protective.

>

>Chris

Yeah, and I always did better on high protein diets too (Omega 6's and

all). And a lot of people do better on Atkins, even though they don't use

good meat. Probably any meat is better than none! We ate a ton of meat and

our teeth were fine, though my Dad also fed us bone meal pills (we ate tons

of sugar too).

I was mainly commenting because there are studies that seem to show that

high-beef diets cause problems such as cancer -- either the studies are

bogus or there is something wrong with the beef. Given how they raise beef,

there could well be problems with it! But I also read that in some of those

studies they included products such as pepperoni and lunch meat in with

" meat " , so the nitrates would be a factor too.

-- Heidi

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In a message dated 6/30/03 5:41:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> I was mainly commenting because there are studies that seem to show that

> high-beef diets cause problems such as cancer -- either the studies are

> bogus or there is something wrong with the beef. Given how they raise beef,

> there could well be problems with it! But I also read that in some of those

> studies they included products such as pepperoni and lunch meat in with

> " meat " , so the nitrates would be a factor too.

>

Yep, also, it appears that meat could be aggravating to cancer risk in the

absence of good intestinal flora. Read of a study or two that found that

meat-eaters had increased colon cancer over vegetarians, but not if both groups

were

fed probiotics.

Chris

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Heidi-

AFAIK these studies actually use processed deli meats with all kinds of

additives in them, but they don't tell you that, they just let on like the

studies indict all meat.

>I was mainly commenting because there are studies that seem to show that

>high-beef diets cause problems such as cancer -- either the studies are

>bogus or there is something wrong with the beef.

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>Yep, also, it appears that meat could be aggravating to cancer risk in the

>absence of good intestinal flora. Read of a study or two that found that

>meat-eaters had increased colon cancer over vegetarians, but not if both

>groups were

>fed probiotics.

>

>Chris

Aha! THAT makes sense. Hardly any studies would reflect the value of

probiotics in America or Europe, since so few people use them (yet).

-- Heidi

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>Heidi-

>

>AFAIK these studies actually use processed deli meats with all kinds of

>additives in them, but they don't tell you that, they just let on like the

>studies indict all meat.

:

The studies like the nurses study just use questionnaires, so they include

all kinds of meats (i.e. the people who do the study don't " design " the

diet). I think they are useful studies, but they are only now getting

around to asking questions like " well, what KIND of meat? " . My mom is part

of the nurses' study, so I hear about it a bit! She never thinks much

either about the *kind* of meat, just whether it is protein or carb or fat.

-- Heidi

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Heidi-

>The studies like the nurses study just use questionnaires, so they include

>all kinds of meats

Some of them aren't that specific, but I recall Sally stating that (at

least in some cases) it was specifically processed fake-food deli meats

which were indicted, but the findings were generalized to all meat, and I'm

pretty sure I read that in a non-WAPF location too.

-

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>Some of them aren't that specific, but I recall Sally stating that (at

>least in some cases) it was specifically processed fake-food deli meats

>which were indicted, but the findings were generalized to all meat, and I'm

>pretty sure I read that in a non-WAPF location too.

>

>-

Interesting. I read about another study in Europe where they went BACK and

took out the processed meats, and the cancer connection went away too.

-- Heidi

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>>It also confirms that virgin olive oil, an essential component of the

Mediterranean diet, provides large amounts of stable

and not easily oxidizable fatty acids as well as remarkable quantities of

powerful antioxidant molecules.

I would agree that the benefit, if there is one, (remember there were a few

articles posted recently questioning the benefit of olive oil to the

mediterranean diet) is from the antioxdiants in the virgin oil. Olive oil has

shown benefit when compared to other oils (being substituted for either

saturated, hydrogenated oils) or refined carbs (white flour, white sugar) but

not when compared to a healthy diet, that doesnt have either added oil or

refined carbs in it..

Jeff

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Hi Jeff:

I am looking forward to when someone comes out with a de-fatted olive

oil. Not joking.

Rodney.

--- In , " Jeff Novick " <jnovick@p...>

wrote:

> >>It also confirms that virgin olive oil, an essential component of

the Mediterranean diet, provides large amounts of stable

> and not easily oxidizable fatty acids as well as remarkable

quantities of powerful antioxidant molecules.

>

> I would agree that the benefit, if there is one, (remember there

were a few articles posted recently questioning the benefit of olive

oil to the mediterranean diet) is from the antioxdiants in the virgin

oil. Olive oil has shown benefit when compared to other oils

(being substituted for either saturated, hydrogenated oils) or

refined carbs (white flour, white sugar) but not when compared to a

healthy diet, that doesnt have either added oil or refined carbs in

it..

>

> Jeff