Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Not just to be contrary but perhaps we should consider in the alternate that perhaps we are not all the same, and health differences between populations can't be explained simply by a single dietary element that we would all react to precisely the same. IMO a perhaps more likely scenario is that different populations have different disease tendencies, and different food sensitivities. Surely what we eat, but more importantly how much is a probably the far more powerful factor for many disease vectors. It is human nature to pursue magic bullets, and that's good since many useful drugs would never be found if we weren't looking for them, I am just not quite as optimistic that cancer will be licked that easily. I would love to be wrong. JR -----Original Message----- From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: [ ] Re: 500% decrease prostate cancer men highest gamma tocopherol! Hi folks: Many thanks to Chuinyun and for these two posts relating to prostate cancer. Wouldn't it be just extraordinary if the very low prostate cancer rate in Japan (for example) can be attributed to just one element in the diet - in this case the suspect is sesame. Clearly there is something in Japan that has an incredibly powerful preventive effect against prostate cancer. Is sesame the answer? Maybe it is. And even better (if it turns out to be the sesame), it may not be the (high caloric content) oil! Who said yer can't have yer cake and eat it too? ......... perhaps. Rodney. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Hi JR: Maybe you are right. But is it not true that people of japanese ancestry who live their lives in the US suffer the same diseases as non-oriental US residents? (As I understand it even those in Hawaii have an intermediate disease rate, between those in Japan and the US, and perhaps have an 'intermediate' diet also). I do not know for certain that that is true specifically in the case of prostate cancer. But I am certain that it is true for the majority of diseases. I have heard that reported repeatedly. Rodney. --- In , " " <crjohnr@b...> wrote: > Not just to be contrary but perhaps we should consider in the alternate that perhaps we are not all the same, and health differences > between populations can't be explained simply by a single dietary element that we would all react to precisely the same. > > IMO a perhaps more likely scenario is that different populations have different disease tendencies, and different food > sensitivities. Surely what we eat, but more importantly how much is a probably the far more powerful factor for many disease > vectors. > > It is human nature to pursue magic bullets, and that's good since many useful drugs would never be found if we weren't looking for > them, I am just not quite as optimistic that cancer will be licked that easily. I would love to be wrong. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@y...] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:02 PM > > Subject: [ ] Re: 500% decrease prostate cancer men highest > gamma tocopherol! > > > > > Hi folks: > > Many thanks to Chuinyun and for these two posts relating > to prostate cancer. > > Wouldn't it be just extraordinary if the very low prostate cancer > rate in Japan (for example) can be attributed to just one element in > the diet - in this case the suspect is sesame. > > Clearly there is something in Japan that has an incredibly powerful > preventive effect against prostate cancer. Is sesame the answer? > Maybe it is. And even better (if it turns out to be the sesame), it > may not be the (high caloric content) oil! > > Who said yer can't have yer cake and eat it too? ......... perhaps. > > Rodney. > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Hi JR: Here is one source from a Google search, which shows that the relative immunity of men in Japan to prostate cancer, begins to disappear in one generation when they move to the US. (I suggest that their diet only becomes 'westernized' gradually. The change would be quicker, I submit, if they started eating at Mcs on day one!) http://www.4-men.org/prostate-cancer/prostate-cancer-diet.html Rodney. PS: This was the first Google reference I checked. It says there are another 118,000 others you can check if you wish ; ^ ))) ( " japanese american prostate cancer " was what I checked at Google.) ---------------------------- > > Not just to be contrary but perhaps we should consider in the > alternate that perhaps we are not all the same, and health differences > > between populations can't be explained simply by a single dietary > element that we would all react to precisely the same. > > > > IMO a perhaps more likely scenario is that different populations > have different disease tendencies, and different food > > sensitivities. Surely what we eat, but more importantly how much is > a probably the far more powerful factor for many disease > > vectors. > > > > It is human nature to pursue magic bullets, and that's good since > many useful drugs would never be found if we weren't looking for > > them, I am just not quite as optimistic that cancer will be licked > that easily. I would love to be wrong. > > > > JR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@y...] > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:02 PM > > > > Subject: [ ] Re: 500% decrease prostate cancer men > highest > > gamma tocopherol! > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks: > > > > Many thanks to Chuinyun and for these two posts relating > > to prostate cancer. > > > > Wouldn't it be just extraordinary if the very low prostate cancer > > rate in Japan (for example) can be attributed to just one element in > > the diet - in this case the suspect is sesame. > > > > Clearly there is something in Japan that has an incredibly powerful > > preventive effect against prostate cancer. Is sesame the answer? > > Maybe it is. And even better (if it turns out to be the sesame), it > > may not be the (high caloric content) oil! > > > > Who said yer can't have yer cake and eat it too? ......... > perhaps. > > > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Yes, I suspect a combination of genetics, diet, and lifestyle. A population and it's typical diet are probably linked somehow. Perhaps by evolution, adaptation, or who knows what. Moving away from a population's traditional food choices and lifestyle have been shown to be problematic for many populations. Native American Indians come to mind and they didn't even have to leave town... we just started feeding them the same crap we eat. Probably the harder problem is figuring out which of the " foods " a given population evolved eating were important good, or bad, and which are inconsequential. As I said before I would love to learn that preventing any cancer is that simple... JR PS: I think I'll pass on checking 118,000 google hits. Tell me when you find the one that says sesame will prevent cancer in me. PPS: I apologize to all for being so contrary.... happy new year. PPPS: This probably won't help but I made a new years resolution to gain weight... :-). Boy was that one easy, almost at my target already. -----Original Message----- From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: [ ] Re: prostate cancer men ! Hi JR: Maybe you are right. But is it not true that people of japanese ancestry who live their lives in the US suffer the same diseases as non-oriental US residents? (As I understand it even those in Hawaii have an intermediate disease rate, between those in Japan and the US, and perhaps have an 'intermediate' diet also). I do not know for certain that that is true specifically in the case of prostate cancer. But I am certain that it is true for the majority of diseases. I have heard that reported repeatedly. Rodney. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Hi JR: Well contrasting philosophies I guess. I can see NO IMAGINABLE RISK in eating a few sesame seeds daily, perhaps in place of the nuts. But there is a possibility of a major benefit in preventing a very common cancer. Open and shut case it seems to me. If any of us wait for the absoutely definitive case that WE will be protected against *any* disease, as you seem to want, we will all be six feet under long before we get it. So we might as well pay no attention to any of the studies that scientists do unless we, personally, were a subject of the study, and saw dramatic benefits. Your choice. Not mine. Rodney. --- In , " " <crjohnr@b...> wrote: > Yes, I suspect a combination of genetics, diet, and lifestyle. > > A population and it's typical diet are probably linked somehow. Perhaps by evolution, adaptation, or who knows what. > > Moving away from a population's traditional food choices and lifestyle have been shown to be problematic for many populations. > Native American Indians come to mind and they didn't even have to leave town... we just started feeding them the same crap we eat. > > Probably the harder problem is figuring out which of the " foods " a given population evolved eating were important good, or bad, and > which are inconsequential. > > As I said before I would love to learn that preventing any cancer is that simple... > > JR > > PS: I think I'll pass on checking 118,000 google hits. Tell me when you find the one that says sesame will prevent cancer in me. > > PPS: I apologize to all for being so contrary.... happy new year. > > PPPS: This probably won't help but I made a new years resolution to gain weight... :-). Boy was that one easy, almost at my target > already. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@y...] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:30 PM > > Subject: [ ] Re: prostate cancer men ! > > > > > Hi JR: > > Maybe you are right. But is it not true that people of japanese > ancestry who live their lives in the US suffer the same diseases as > non-oriental US residents? (As I understand it even those in Hawaii > have an intermediate disease rate, between those in Japan and the US, > and perhaps have an 'intermediate' diet also). > > I do not know for certain that that is true specifically in the case > of prostate cancer. But I am certain that it is true for the > majority of diseases. I have heard that reported repeatedly. > > Rodney. > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 sorry for my knee jerk reaction.. I guess I was being a bit of a jerk. I didn't read the studies, and still haven't. Mea culpa and my apologies to all... JR -----Original Message----- From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: [ ] Re: prostate cancer men ! Hi JR: Maybe you are right. But is it not true that people of japanese ancestry who live their lives in the US suffer the same diseases as non-oriental US residents? (As I understand it even those in Hawaii have an intermediate disease rate, between those in Japan and the US, and perhaps have an 'intermediate' diet also). I do not know for certain that that is true specifically in the case of prostate cancer. But I am certain that it is true for the majority of diseases. I have heard that reported repeatedly. Rodney. --- In , " " <crjohnr@b...> wrote: > Not just to be contrary but perhaps we should consider in the alternate that perhaps we are not all the same, and health differences > between populations can't be explained simply by a single dietary element that we would all react to precisely the same. > > IMO a perhaps more likely scenario is that different populations have different disease tendencies, and different food > sensitivities. Surely what we eat, but more importantly how much is a probably the far more powerful factor for many disease > vectors. > > It is human nature to pursue magic bullets, and that's good since many useful drugs would never be found if we weren't looking for > them, I am just not quite as optimistic that cancer will be licked that easily. I would love to be wrong. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@y...] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:02 PM > > Subject: [ ] Re: 500% decrease prostate cancer men highest > gamma tocopherol! > > > > > Hi folks: > > Many thanks to Chuinyun and for these two posts relating > to prostate cancer. > > Wouldn't it be just extraordinary if the very low prostate cancer > rate in Japan (for example) can be attributed to just one element in > the diet - in this case the suspect is sesame. > > Clearly there is something in Japan that has an incredibly powerful > preventive effect against prostate cancer. Is sesame the answer? > Maybe it is. And even better (if it turns out to be the sesame), it > may not be the (high caloric content) oil! > > Who said yer can't have yer cake and eat it too? ......... perhaps. > > Rodney. > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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