Re: [HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm

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I have the patches , and the cream. The cream is messer for me but i use it too...HeidiLiane From: carlene.grimshaw@...Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:30:51 +0000Subject: [HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm

[For anyone interested this appears to be a great alternative to injections. Carlene]Lidoderm Patch for PainTired of going to your doctor for repeat trigger point injections to relieve your nagging neck, shoulder, and back pain? As an alternative to injections or just putting up with regional pain, ask your doctor about Lidoderm. It's a patch that you place on the sore area and it delivers lidocaine anesthetic into your painful muscles. Lidoderm patches are available by prescription only. They are formulated to slowly release lidocaine into the tissues over a 12-hour period. The patches have their own gentle surface adhesive (simply peel off the surface wrapping like you do for a band-aide) and each sheet is 4" by 5 ½" in size. They can be cut to any size needed for the job. For example, if your physician routinely injects the muscle junction at the base of your neck (one on each side of your spine), you might cut the patch into fourths and apply two small patches nightly to keep the pain away. If the tension at the base of your neck leads to frequent headaches during the day from tilting your head forward to work, you might apply the patch in the morning before your tension-headaches have a chance to develop. Alternatively, applying the patch to your most troublesome area at bedtime may prevent a particularly sensitive muscle from generating unbearable pain. Of course, if you often experience diffuse low back pain, you may need to use an entire patch everyday—at least during the work week.Your options with Lidoderm are numerous, but can these patches actually take the place of trigger point injections? And, can they really keep your most nagging pain at bay while you work or sleep? One published case report using Lidoderm patches to treat the regional (myofascial) pain problems of a fibromyalgia patient shows promise.1 Although the indicated use of Lidoderm is for treating the intense regional pain of postherpetic neuralgia, pain specialist Argoff, M.D., of Bethpage, NY, suggests that the use of this patch be broadened "to treat patients with complaints of chronic low back pain, cervical spine pain (neck region), and myofascial pain."2 Backing up his recommendation, he references a small study by Arthur Lipman, Pharm.D., of the University of Utah, which successfully demonstrated that this topical analgesic is effective for myofascial pain.3,4Studies show that Lidoderm delivers lidocaine only to the tissues beneath the patch and does so without complications that might occur when this anesthetic is administered systemically.5 It works as a sodium channel blocker to inhibit pain transmission in the treated area and doesn't build up in the bloodstream. The only side effect appears to be mild skin irritation for those patients who must use this patch on a continuous basis.6http://www.fmnetnews.com/articles-overview-3meds.php

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I tried the Lidoderm patches and it didn't touch my pain. I was so hoping it would but it did not, but what works or doesn't for one doesn't mean the same for another, so definitely give it a try. H

From: melanie ellis <crazyhouse@...>Subject: RE: [HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidodermheidiliane Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 3:47 PM

I have the patches , and the cream. The cream is messer for me but i use it too...

HeidiLiane@gro ups.comFrom: carlene.grimshawDate: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:30:51 +0000Subject: [HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm[For anyone interested this appears to be a great alternative to injections. Carlene]

Lidoderm Patch for PainTired of going to your doctor for repeat trigger point injections to relieve your nagging neck, shoulder, and back pain? As an alternative to injections or just putting up with regional pain, ask your doctor about Lidoderm. It's a patch that you place on the sore area and it delivers lidocaine anesthetic into your painful muscles. Lidoderm patches are available by prescription only. They are formulated to slowly release lidocaine into the tissues over a 12-hour period. The patches have their own gentle surface adhesive (simply peel off the surface wrapping like you do for a band-aide) and each sheet is 4" by 5 ½" in size. They can be cut to any size needed for the job. For example, if your physician routinely injects the muscle junction at the base of your neck (one on each side of your

spine), you might cut the patch into fourths and apply two small patches nightly to keep the pain away. If the tension at the base of your neck leads to frequent headaches during the day from tilting your head forward to work, you might apply the patch in the morning before your tension-headaches have a chance to develop. Alternatively, applying the patch to your most troublesome area at bedtime may prevent a particularly sensitive muscle from generating unbearable pain. Of course, if you often experience diffuse low back pain, you may need to use an entire patch everyday—at least during the work week.Your options with Lidoderm are numerous, but can these patches actually take the place of trigger point injections? And, can they really keep your most nagging pain at bay while you work or sleep? One published case report using Lidoderm patches to treat the regional (myofascial) pain problems of a

fibromyalgia patient shows promise.1 Although the indicated use of Lidoderm is for treating the intense regional pain of postherpetic neuralgia, pain specialist Argoff, M.D., of Bethpage, NY, suggests that the use of this patch be broadened "to treat patients with complaints of chronic low back pain, cervical spine pain (neck region), and myofascial pain."2 Backing up his recommendation, he references a small study by Arthur Lipman, Pharm.D., of the University of Utah, which successfully demonstrated that this topical analgesic is effective for myofascial pain.3,4Studies show that Lidoderm delivers lidocaine only to the tissues beneath the patch and does so without complications that might occur when this anesthetic is administered systemically.5 It works as a sodium channel blocker to inhibit pain transmission

in the treated area and doesn't build up in the bloodstream. The only side effect appears to be mild skin irritation for those patients who must use this patch on a continuous basis.6http://www.fmnetnew s.com/articles- overview- 3meds.php

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I have tried bio freeze, I didn't notice any difference from the other creams and lotions. I have best results with products that contain camphor. 024, flexall are a couple of the products.

Sandie

[HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm

I had the trigger point injections on the 18th they worked a few days .

Now the pain migrated up wards so i am using the OTC SALONPAS patches I got at Walgreen's last year, it has

Camphor 12%

Menthol5.7%

Methyl Salcylate 6.2%

But it helps a tad is it. I usually take an extra gabapentin too.

And use a muscle rub like Ben gay. want to try Bio Freeze but cannot find it has anyone tried it or the generic Freeze it??

I do need help for it even hurts to pick up a gallon of tea or milk.

But will ask my r when I see him about the patches and or creme.

Also I use a rice sock where you fill a sock with white rice and tie a knot in the end of the sock heat it in the microwave and use it on your sore spot.

Heidi

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Thanks for posting this Heidi. I have been using these patches for about a year now. You can use up to 3 patches at a time; you can wear them for 12 hours, then they must be off for 12 hours. They only time they don't do a good job is when the pain is up around 8-to-10 on the scale. I have a lot of arthritis pain in my hands, so I cut them into quarters for that. And they work on the trigger-point pain as well.

I do know that we have to be really careful with Lidocaine, though. A few years ago when I still lived in Durham, a woman was given Lidocaine by a spa in Raleigh to use in preparation for hair removal from her legs. She was told to use it for a day or so before the procedure to numb her legs, but she was never told how much or how often to use it. Apparently she used all of what she was given and she subsequently died. As long as they are not abused, though, these patches really do work.

Pam H

[HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm

[For anyone interested this appears to be a great alternative to injections. Carlene]

Lidoderm Patch for Pain

Tired of going to your doctor for repeat trigger point injections to relieve your nagging neck, shoulder, and back pain? As an alternative to injections or just putting up with regional pain, ask your doctor about Lidoderm. It's a patch that you place on the sore area and it delivers lidocaine anesthetic into your painful muscles.

Lidoderm patches are available by prescription only. They are formulated to slowly release lidocaine into the tissues over a 12-hour period. The patches have their own gentle surface adhesive (simply peel off the surface wrapping like you do for a band-aide) and each sheet is 4" by 5 ½" in size. They can be cut to any size needed for the job. For example, if your physician routinely injects the muscle junction at the base of your neck (one on each side of your spine), you might cut the patch into fourths and apply two small patches nightly to keep the pain away. If the tension at the base of your neck leads to frequent headaches during the day from tilting your head forward to work, you might apply the patch in the morning before your tension-headaches have a chance to develop. Alternatively, applying the patch to your most troublesome area at bedtime may prevent a particularly sensitive muscle from generating unbearable pain. Of course, if you often experience diffuse low back pain, you may need to use an entire patch everyday—at least during the work week.

Your options with Lidoderm are numerous, but can these patches actually take the place of trigger point injections? And, can they really keep your most nagging pain at bay while you work or sleep? One published case report using Lidoderm patches to treat the regional (myofascial) pain problems of a fibromyalgia patient shows promise.1 Although the indicated use of Lidoderm is for treating the intense regional pain of postherpetic neuralgia, pain specialist Argoff, M.D., of Bethpage, NY, suggests that the use of this patch be broadened "to treat patients with complaints of chronic low back pain, cervical spine pain (neck region), and myofascial pain."2 Backing up his recommendation, he references a small study by Arthur Lipman, Pharm.D., of the University of Utah, which successfully demonstrated that this topical analgesic is effective for myofascial pain.3,4

Studies show that Lidoderm delivers lidocaine only to the tissues beneath the patch and does so without complications that might occur when this anesthetic is administered systemically.5 It works as a sodium channel blocker to inhibit pain transmission in the treated area and doesn't build up in the bloodstream. The only side effect appears to be mild skin irritation for those patients who must use this patch on a continuous basis.6

http://www.fmnetnews.com/articles-overview-3meds.php

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Find a chiropractor , they usually have samples of Bio freeze.....> HeidiLiane > From: heidilhlokey@...> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:17:08 +0000> Subject: [HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm> > I had the trigger point injections on the 18th they worked a few > days .> Now the pain migrated up wards so i am using the OTC SALONPAS patches > I got at Walgreen's last year, it has> Camphor 12%> Menthol5.7%> Methyl Salcylate 6.2%> > But it helps a tad is it. I usually take an extra gabapentin too.> > And use a muscle rub like Ben gay. want to try Bio Freeze but cannot > find it has anyone tried it or the generic Freeze it??> > I do need help for it even hurts to pick up a gallon of tea or milk.> > But will ask my r when I see him about the patches and or creme.> > Also I use a rice sock where you fill a sock with white rice and tie > a knot in the end of the sock heat it in the microwave and use it on > your sore spot.> > Heidi> > > ------------------------------------> >

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Its the only thing that i have found for me.I' ve tried a little of everything . Anything working good for you? ...> HeidiLiane > From: carlene.grimshaw@...> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:02:19 +0000> Subject: [HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm> > > Hi - Thanks for sharing that you use the patches, and cream. It> must be working very well for you? Hope you're having a really good day!> Hugs Carlene> > > In HeidiLiane , melanie ellis <crazyhouse@...> wrote:> >> >> > I have the patches , and the cream. The cream is messer for me but i> use it too...> >> > HeidiLiane > > From: carlene.grimshaw@...> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:30:51 +0000> > Subject: [HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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Hi Heidi,

I tried all of the muscle rubs and, for me, the only one that works best is FLEX-ALL. It's the smelly stuff but the odor eventually goes away. Other times I use BLUE-EMU, which is odor free and very blue... but it doesn't stain. I think I bought that at Walgreen's.

BIO FREEZE works for many people, but I don't feel the benefit from it. I bought mine from my chiropractor and even my hair salon sells it! All the other creams I tossed out.

BW, I also use the Lipoderm patches.

[HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm

I had the trigger point injections on the 18th they worked a few days .Now the pain migrated up wards so i am using the OTC SALONPAS patches I got at Walgreen's last year, it hasCamphor 12%Menthol5.7%Methyl Salcylate 6.2%But it helps a tad is it. I usually take an extra gabapentin too.And use a muscle rub like Ben gay. want to try Bio Freeze but cannot find it has anyone tried it or the generic Freeze it??I do need help for it even hurts to pick up a gallon of tea or milk.But will ask my r when I see him about the patches and or creme.Also I use a rice sock where you fill a sock with white rice and tie a knot in the end of the sock heat it in the microwave and use it on your sore spot.Heidi

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Hello All,

I am one of the few people that is allergic to Neurotin , Lyrica, and Cymbalta.

I had horrible hallucinations while on was on the Nerotin and Lyrica and I too went cold turkey off of Neurotin.

I had a suicide attempt after a rage when I stopped.

Luckly , I have a psychiatrist.

He taught me to never just come off of any of the above meds but

weaning is the safest and best tolerated way to come off of phycotropic meds.

I too feel that ants feeling all over my body.

I alway thought it was from my Candida Overgrowth.

At this time a rate a 407 for the Yeast Overgrowth Test.

I am currently taking many supplements to help with the Yeast Beast and I feel increased energy I just have to pace myself so I copied

One of yesterdays post about time managment and it is really helping otherwise I would go to exhaustion.

I sometimes even have trouble with bathing because of the way the

water temperature , it startles me.

Also, I can no longer use topicals to my sore areas.

My skin has developed a major sensitivity to those types of things and I also have issues with my close hurting me in that area.

Is this anything that anyone else had felt?

Peace to All,

[HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm

I had the trigger point injections on the 18th they worked a few days .Now the pain migrated up wards so i am using the OTC SALONPAS patches I got at Walgreen's last year, it hasCamphor 12%Menthol5.7%Methyl Salcylate 6.2%But it helps a tad is it. I usually take an extra gabapentin too.And use a muscle rub like Ben gay. want to try Bio Freeze but cannot find it has anyone tried it or the generic Freeze it??I do need help for it even hurts to pick up a gallon of tea or milk.But will ask my r when I see him about the patches and or creme.Also I use a rice sock where you fill a sock with white rice and tie a knot in the end of the sock heat it in the microwave and use it on your sore spot.Heidi

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I got Bio Freeze from my rheumy..he told me that many of his patients thought it was wonderful; however, it does nothing for me. Blue-Emu the same, I found no relief. I'm going to try Flex-all. Sometimes the smelly stuff works best. :-)

Pam H

[HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm

I had the trigger point injections on the 18th they worked a few days .Now the pain migrated up wards so i am using the OTC SALONPAS patches I got at Walgreen's last year, it hasCamphor 12%Menthol5.7%Methyl Salcylate 6.2%But it helps a tad is it. I usually take an extra gabapentin too.And use a muscle rub like Ben gay. want to try Bio Freeze but cannot find it has anyone tried it or the generic Freeze it??I do need help for it even hurts to pick up a gallon of tea or milk.But will ask my r when I see him about the patches and or creme.Also I use a rice sock where you fill a sock with white rice and tie a knot in the end of the sock heat it in the microwave and use it on your sore spot.Heidi

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, I too have a yeast problem. What supplements do you take for it?

Pam H

[HeidiLiane] Re: Ask your doctor about Lidoderm

I had the trigger point injections on the 18th they worked a few days .Now the pain migrated up wards so i am using the OTC SALONPAS patches I got at Walgreen's last year, it hasCamphor 12%Menthol5.7%Methyl Salcylate 6.2%But it helps a tad is it. I usually take an extra gabapentin too.And use a muscle rub like Ben gay. want to try Bio Freeze but cannot find it has anyone tried it or the generic Freeze it??I do need help for it even hurts to pick up a gallon of tea or milk.But will ask my r when I see him about the patches and or creme.Also I use a rice sock where you fill a sock with white rice and tie a knot in the end of the sock heat it in the microwave and use it on your sore spot.Heidi