Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science

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WE should all be giving the CCE a Vote of no confidence and I hope our state organization is chasting those DC's for the absolute unintelligible thought of eliminating subluxation.

Danno

Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science

Dr. Simpson. Thank you very much for this post. After reading this article, I hope that certain list members who claim that information from double blind, peer reviewed journal research is the only information we can possibly use in treating patients, will finally wake up and realize how ridiculous their posturing makes them sound. Their opinion that any data we relay to our patients, or treatment we provide to them, that can't be "proven" by double blind, peer reviewed journal articles is suspect, and shouldn't shape our treatment, is absolutely BS. It absolutely drives me crazy, (some people thinks this would be a short trip) when chiropractors who have little confidence in themselves try to make the chiropractic profession as a whole sound unscientific, and by extension make themselves sound high and mighty because they cite peer reviewed journals. I hope your post makes them a little uncomfortable. Thank you again for this information. My hope is that continuing education instructors who insult their audience or other researchers for using "unscientific methods" will back off a little in the future. I also hope that these same instructors don't have too much influence on future doctors, by insinuating that any treatment they suggest to their patients has to be absolutely, and undeniably, perfect. Good luck with that though. I truly appreciate you keeping us all informed. Your posts make all of us appreciate what we do, and gives our practices value, in my humble opinion. Thanks again. Grice, DCAlbany, OR

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Yes Chuck, this is a good article. But, really, its contents should be no

surprise to any chiropractor who has some degree of clinical experience, a brain

and consciousness.

I like the term that was coined by Rosner, PhD. some years back: He said

that what is referred to as " Evidence Based Medicine " should actually be called

" Eminence Based Medicine " , because " facts " are only valid if they are recognized

or certified by those who society deems " eminent " . And who does society-at-large

currently deem eminent re. medical knowledge? Obviously, the current members of

the dominant medical paradigm: Hospitals, MDs, Pharma, Medical School/Research

Institutions, etc. Those who are considered eminent consistently (albeit,

unconsciously)'stack the decks' of reality with their own biases. Science

certainly has helped us perceive reality but we are quite capable of simply

ignoring reality if it is socially or tribally unpalatable (i.e. for an MD to

break ranks with his/her colleagues), uncomfortable or unappealing.

In reading about evolutionary biology/sociology/psychology, it seems that we

humans are genetically programmed to follow those who are deemed eminent,

because in a hunter-gatherer society this type of followership of the eminent

ones was more likely to lead to the survival of the clan/tribe. However, in

today's modern, complex world (of multiple confounders) following the 'eminent

ones' may not be the best thing for our health!

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> Very interesting article:

>

> Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science

>

> Much of what medical researchers conclude in their studies is misleading,

> exaggerated, or flat-out wrong.

> So why are doctors—to a striking extent—still drawing upon misinformation in

> their everyday practice?

> Dr. Ioannidis has spent his career challenging his peers by exposing

> their bad science. ...

>

>

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical\

-science/8269/

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> A. Simpson, DC DABCO

> Medical Director, Vice President

> The CHP Group

> 6600 SW 105th Ave, Suite 115

> Beaverton, OR 97008

> 503-619-2041 O

> 503-367-0872 C

> 503-644-0442 F

>

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,  your insights are  a breath of fresh air amidst  a sea of madness. I believe you are right on target in suggesting that research findings are shaped  by evolutionary forces that may or may not be conducive to man's  long term survival in the modern complex world.  Thanks for taking the time to share this unique insight. 

  Could you share the names of any of the books on evolutionary psychology that you refer to.  I would be most interested in reading this stuff as it relates to the modern medical/scientific vision of truth/reality.

Schneider DCPDXOn Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:36 PM, spbkchiro97132 <spbkchiro@...> wrote:

 

Yes Chuck, this is a good article. But, really, its contents should be no surprise to any chiropractor who has some degree of clinical experience, a brain and consciousness.

I like the term that was coined by Rosner, PhD. some years back: He said that what is referred to as " Evidence Based Medicine " should actually be called " Eminence Based Medicine " , because " facts " are only valid if they are recognized or certified by those who society deems " eminent " . And who does society-at-large currently deem eminent re. medical knowledge? Obviously, the current members of the dominant medical paradigm: Hospitals, MDs, Pharma, Medical School/Research Institutions, etc. Those who are considered eminent consistently (albeit, unconsciously)'stack the decks' of reality with their own biases. Science certainly has helped us perceive reality but we are quite capable of simply ignoring reality if it is socially or tribally unpalatable (i.e. for an MD to break ranks with his/her colleagues), uncomfortable or unappealing.

In reading about evolutionary biology/sociology/psychology, it seems that we humans are genetically programmed to follow those who are deemed eminent, because in a hunter-gatherer society this type of followership of the eminent ones was more likely to lead to the survival of the clan/tribe. However, in today's modern, complex world (of multiple confounders) following the 'eminent ones' may not be the best thing for our health!

>

> Very interesting article:

>

> Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science

>

> Much of what medical researchers conclude in their studies is misleading,

> exaggerated, or flat-out wrong.

> So why are doctors—to a striking extent—still drawing upon misinformation in

> their everyday practice?

> Dr. Ioannidis has spent his career challenging his peers by exposing

> their bad science. ...

>

> http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/8269/

>

>

> A. Simpson, DC DABCO

> Medical Director, Vice President

> The CHP Group

> 6600 SW 105th Ave, Suite 115

> Beaverton, OR 97008

> 503-619-2041 O

> 503-367-0872 C

> 503-644-0442 F

>

-- Schneider DC PDX

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My own journey in this area of learning started in 2006 at a james Chestnut

lecture at Seminar. Since then, I have read dozens of books and dozens of

papers both directly and indirectly related to the general subject of

evolutionary biology.

My first readings were limited to reading diet-related or

exercise-physiology-related stuff from Boyd Eaton and Loren Cordain and those

folks. Later,I got more into authors talking about health care(in general),

psychology/human behavior, politics, anthropology, philosophy, religion etc. So

the list is long and varied:

But lucky for you a great book on this subject has just come out...it may prove

to be one of the most important books of the last few years. " The Moral

Landscape " by Sam . I have not read it, but I am " on line " at the library

for it. Also, try going to the wikipedia page for Evolutionary Biology and go to

bottom to find various directly-linked articles that tickle your fancy.

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> > > Very interesting article:

> > >

> > > Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science

> > >

> > > Much of what medical researchers conclude in their studies is misleading,

> > > exaggerated, or flat-out wrong.

> > > So why are doctors—to a striking extent—still drawing upon misinformation

> > in

> > > their everyday practice?

> > > Dr. Ioannidis has spent his career challenging his peers by exposing

> > > their bad science. ...

> > >

> > >

> >

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical\

-science/8269/

> > >

> > >

> > > A. Simpson, DC DABCO

> > > Medical Director, Vice President

> > > The CHP Group

> > > 6600 SW 105th Ave, Suite 115

> > > Beaverton, OR 97008

> > > 503-619-2041 O

> > > 503-367-0872 C

> > > 503-644-0442 F

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Schneider DC

> PDX

>

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"Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science"by H. Freedmanfor The Atlantic, Nov. 2010http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/8269/