Re: Further thoughts on fat distribution

[Guest guest]

Gee, you know how I love sweeping generalizations. So where do I go

to get all my " loose " skin removed :-)?

I have lost over 50# (adult high 235#/current 150#) and my skin has adjusted

just fine to the new me. Perhaps if someone lipo'd or starved it

off rapidly there might be temporary excesses, but I doubt the body

would ignore it's largest organ when remodeling.

Once again, moderation might be advised.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: citpeks [mailto:citpeks@...]

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:49 AM

Subject: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

In October of last year, in Message 15864, we discussed equations to

predict the percentage of fat and lean mass lost during a diet. One

of the conclusions was that when the percent of body fat gets to 15%,

any further loss of weight will be more muscle than fat.

After examining the distribution of fat in the human body with the

help of the " Visible Human " project, it is easier to understand why

this is so. Since most of the fat is carried under the skin, it would

be necessary to reduce the surface area of the body to get below the

level of fat of an athlete, which is fairly impossible. This also

means that measuring body fat using calipers should give fairly

accurate results when compared with body immersion techniques. And

this also explains why people who lose more than 50 pounds end up with

very loose skin that needs to be removed surgically.

Tony

[Guest guest]

, would you mind telling me your

approximate age and how long it took to lose 85 pounds?

Thanks, Woody

-----Original Message-----

From:

[mailto:crjohnr@...]

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:26

AM

Subject: RE: [ ]

Further thoughts on fat distribution

Gee, you know how I love sweeping generalizations. So

where do I go

to get all my " loose " skin removed :-)?

I have lost over 50# (adult high 235#/current

150#) and my skin has adjusted

just fine to the new me. Perhaps if someone lipo'd

or starved it

off rapidly there might be temporary excesses, but

I doubt the body

would ignore it's largest organ when remodeling.

Once again, moderation might be advised.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: citpeks [mailto:citpeks@...]

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:49 AM

Subject: [ ] Further thoughts on fat

distribution

In October of last year, in Message 15864, we

discussed equations to

predict the percentage of fat and lean mass lost

during a diet. One

of the conclusions was that when the percent of

body fat gets to 15%,

any further loss of weight will be more muscle

than fat.

After examining the distribution of fat in the

human body with the

help of the " Visible Human " project, it

is easier to understand why

this is so. Since most of the fat is carried

under the skin, it would

be necessary to reduce the surface area of the

body to get below the

level of fat of an athlete, which is fairly

impossible. This also

means that measuring body fat using calipers

should give fairly

accurate results when compared with body immersion

techniques. And

this also explains why people who lose more than

50 pounds end up with

very loose skin that needs to be removed

surgically.

Tony

[Guest guest]

I'm 56YO, and it took me 35 years.... :-)

I tried without much success to manage my weight for most of my life ... My max weight was in my later teens- early twenties at 235# . Several times over the next 30 years I drifted between 200 and 220. I had one momentary dip down to about 175-180 when I trained up to run a marathon in '95 but gained back up to 200-210 after that.

I finally got my life/diet under control about 4 years ago. I managed to lose at least 60# gradually over the last few years. In January of this year I decided to stop losing and stabilize at 150#. I have been pretty successful despite one day 2 weeks ago when I dipped down to 146, but I'm back over 150 today. I'm pretty active (I just got back from 2 hours playing basketball).

JR

-----Original Message-----From: Woody [mailto:Woody@...]Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

, would you mind telling me your approximate age and how long it took to lose 85 pounds?

Thanks, Woody

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto:crjohnr@...] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

Gee, you know how I love sweeping generalizations. So where do I go to get all my "loose" skin removed :-)?I have lost over 50# (adult high 235#/current 150#) and my skin has adjusted just fine to the new me. Perhaps if someone lipo'd or starved it off rapidly there might be temporary excesses, but I doubt the body would ignore it's largest organ when remodeling.Once again, moderation might be advised.JR

[Guest guest]

Aha! I've got 24 yrs to go to get rid of my fat that won't go away. That's 89 yo - I'll settle for that (ha).

Not poking fun, but it sure takes a while to get rid of it and I think I do a lot of physical work plus aerobic.

regards

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:45 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

I'm 56YO, and it took me 35 years.... :-)

I tried without much success to manage my weight for most of my life ... My max weight was in my later teens- early twenties at 235# . Several times over the next 30 years I drifted between 200 and 220. I had one momentary dip down to about 175-180 when I trained up to run a marathon in '95 but gained back up to 200-210 after that.

I finally got my life/diet under control about 4 years ago. I managed to lose at least 60# gradually over the last few years. In January of this year I decided to stop losing and stabilize at 150#. I have been pretty successful despite one day 2 weeks ago when I dipped down to 146, but I'm back over 150 today. I'm pretty active (I just got back from 2 hours playing basketball).

JR

[Guest guest]

You can lose weight arbitrarily fast once you set your mind to it. I consider excess skin the least of the dangers of losing it to fast.

I feel keeping as much LBM as possible in the process and perhaps managing the release of stored toxins, are stronger arguments

for moderation.

During one two month period of my so far successful multi year journey, I was away from my home gym and didn't do any resistance work while

still running and losing weight. I lost a surprising amount of upper body strength in that brief period. While I don't have precise documentation

I would estimate it took me a year to regain the strength I lost in those 2 months. My age certainly doesn't help in that respect.

Note: I also do 300 light crunches before getting dressed each morning. I find this helps me transition from sleepy to awake and doesn't hurt

central adiposity. It only takes me 4 mins, and I don't raise a sweat. It quickly became just another habit and I use the four minutes to

heat my water for making coffee. (old engineers like to multi-task).

JR

-----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

Aha! I've got 24 yrs to go to get rid of my fat that won't go away. That's 89 yo - I'll settle for that (ha).

Not poking fun, but it sure takes a while to get rid of it and I think I do a lot of physical work plus aerobic.

regards

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:45 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

I'm 56YO, and it took me 35 years.... :-)

I tried without much success to manage my weight for most of my life ... My max weight was in my later teens- early twenties at 235# . Several times over the next 30 years I drifted between 200 and 220. I had one momentary dip down to about 175-180 when I trained up to run a marathon in '95 but gained back up to 200-210 after that.

I finally got my life/diet under control about 4 years ago. I managed to lose at least 60# gradually over the last few years. In January of this year I decided to stop losing and stabilize at 150#. I have been pretty successful despite one day 2 weeks ago when I dipped down to 146, but I'm back over 150 today. I'm pretty active (I just got back from 2 hours playing basketball).

JR

[Guest guest]

In my case I recently found out my fasting

blood glucose was 124 so had to immediately give up all sugar, all starches and

most carbs except the healthy ones like veggies. And guess what, my blood sugar

came down below 100 in 4 weeks and I lost 10lbs- went from 180 to 170 with

moderate aerobic exercise- in this case the Nordic Track Ski Machine.

I think it is the excess insulin trying to

bring the blood glucose down that stores the fat. I never should have been

consuming any sugar, etc anyway but have been going through post traumatic

stress disorder for 10 months since someone drove their car through the side of my

house- nearly killing me, and that’s how I was unfortunately dealing with

it. A poor choice for sure!

Now I monitor my blood glucose like a type

2 diabetic does with an accurate instrument used in hospitals. Found it very

informing about how my body works. I suspect I will have little difficulty

losing more weight as I keep

insulin levels low.

BTW, I’m 62 and plan to live at

least til 91 also.

Woody

-----Original Message-----

From: jwwright

[mailto:jwwright@...]

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:14

AM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Further thoughts on fat distribution

Aha! I've got 24 yrs to go to get rid of my fat that won't go

away. That's 89 yo - I'll settle for that (ha).

Not poking fun, but it sure takes a while to get rid of it and I

think I do a lot of physical work plus aerobic.

regards

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Sunday,

April 03, 2005 4:45 PM

Subject: RE:

[ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

I'm 56YO, and it

took me 35 years.... :-)

I tried without much

success to manage my weight for most of my life ... My max weight was in my

later teens- early twenties at 235# . Several times over the next 30 years I

drifted between 200 and 220. I had one momentary dip down to about 175-180 when

I trained up to run a marathon in '95 but gained back up to 200-210 after that.

I finally got

my life/diet under control about 4 years ago. I managed to lose at

least 60# gradually over the last few years.

In January of this year I decided to stop losing and stabilize

at 150#. I have been pretty successful despite one day 2 weeks ago

when I dipped down to 146, but I'm back over 150 today. I'm pretty active (I

just got back from 2 hours playing basketball).

JR

[Guest guest]

That’s an excellent idea to do the

crunches! You sold me on that one! I also agree about losing weight slowly due

to toxins. No argument there either. I always worry about that one. Maintaining

muscle mass at our age is critical to long term health on so many levels. I use The Total Gym and add up to 200lbs

on a bar when necessary for more resistance. The Nordic Track can also be

considered resistance since you can increase resistance considerably and raise

the incline a little.

Woody

-----Original Message-----

From:

[mailto:crjohnr@...]

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:57 AM

Subject: RE: [ ]

Further thoughts on fat distribution

You can lose weight

arbitrarily fast once you set your mind to it. I consider excess skin the least

of the dangers of losing it to fast.

I feel keeping as

much LBM as possible in the process and perhaps managing the release of

stored toxins, are stronger arguments

for moderation.

During one two month

period of my so far successful multi year journey, I was away from my home gym

and didn't do any resistance work while

still running and losing

weight. I lost a surprising amount of upper body strength in that brief

period. While I don't have precise documentation

I would estimate it took

me a year to regain the strength I lost in those 2 months. My age

certainly doesn't help in that respect.

Note: I also do 300 light

crunches before getting dressed each morning. I find this helps me transition

from sleepy to awake and doesn't hurt

central adiposity. It

only takes me 4 mins, and I don't raise a sweat. It quickly became just another

habit and I use the four minutes to

heat my water for

making coffee. (old engineers like to multi-task).

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: jwwright

[mailto:jwwright@...]

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:14 AM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Further thoughts on fat distribution

Aha! I've got 24 yrs to go to get rid of my fat that won't go

away. That's 89 yo - I'll settle for that (ha).

Not poking fun, but it sure takes a while to get rid of it and I

think I do a lot of physical work plus aerobic.

regards

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:45 PM

Subject: RE:

[ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

I'm 56YO, and it

took me 35 years.... :-)

I tried without much

success to manage my weight for most of my life ... My max weight was in my

later teens- early twenties at 235# . Several times over the next 30 years I

drifted between 200 and 220. I had one momentary dip down to about 175-180 when

I trained up to run a marathon in '95 but gained back up to 200-210 after that.

I finally got my life/diet

under control about 4 years ago. I managed to lose at least

60# gradually over the last few years. In January of

this year I decided to stop losing and stabilize at 150#. I have been

pretty successful despite one day 2 weeks ago when I dipped down to

146, but I'm back over 150 today. I'm pretty active (I just got back from 2

hours playing basketball).

JR

[Guest guest]

I really liked the total gym for what it is, and also added 200# for squats... I replaced my TG several years ago with a huge multi station machine but stopped doing squats because it's too uncomfortable on my shoulders :-(...

I don't have any experience with Nordic track. My older brother (heavy with bad knees) has one and likes it. In my experience running, even with hills, reduces LBM (especially if not specifically involved in the exercise). I suspect its not just the activity but the number of repetitions and duration of exercise that affects how body remodels.

JR

-----Original Message-----From: Woody [mailto:Woody@...]Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

That’s an excellent idea to do the crunches! You sold me on that one! I also agree about losing weight slowly due to toxins. No argument there either. I always worry about that one. Maintaining muscle mass at our age is critical to long term health on so many levels. I use The Total Gym and add up to 200lbs on a bar when necessary for more resistance. The Nordic Track can also be considered resistance since you can increase resistance considerably and raise the incline a little.

Woody

[Guest guest]

You know, , I have to agree with you in the strength idea. I don't like giving up muscle at all - just my gut feel. In the last 3 - 4 wks, I've been doing a lot of manual labor and I feel like I've gained muscle and I've lost no weight. I picked up 1/2 RR tie easily to brace my bulkhead.

The result is that if I schedule the heavy stuff on alternate days - give a rest, I'm stronger. I've a tractor that can pull the heavy loads, but machinery is limited to what it can stand on. Every once in a while you need a human to move something. those 85# bags of concrete are getting easier to handle. Lot of pride in building something unique with your hands.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:56 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

You can lose weight arbitrarily fast once you set your mind to it. I consider excess skin the least of the dangers of losing it to fast.

I feel keeping as much LBM as possible in the process and perhaps managing the release of stored toxins, are stronger arguments

for moderation.

During one two month period of my so far successful multi year journey, I was away from my home gym and didn't do any resistance work while

still running and losing weight. I lost a surprising amount of upper body strength in that brief period. While I don't have precise documentation

I would estimate it took me a year to regain the strength I lost in those 2 months. My age certainly doesn't help in that respect.

Note: I also do 300 light crunches before getting dressed each morning. I find this helps me transition from sleepy to awake and doesn't hurt

central adiposity. It only takes me 4 mins, and I don't raise a sweat. It quickly became just another habit and I use the four minutes to

heat my water for making coffee. (old engineers like to multi-task).

JR

-----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

Aha! I've got 24 yrs to go to get rid of my fat that won't go away. That's 89 yo - I'll settle for that (ha).

Not poking fun, but it sure takes a while to get rid of it and I think I do a lot of physical work plus aerobic.

regards

[Guest guest]

What instrument is that?

----- Original Message -----

From: Woody

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:58 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Further thoughts on fat distribution

In my case I recently found out my fasting blood glucose was 124 so had to immediately give up all sugar, all starches and most carbs except the healthy ones like veggies. And guess what, my blood sugar came down below 100 in 4 weeks and I lost 10lbs- went from 180 to 170 with moderate aerobic exercise- in this case the Nordic Track Ski Machine.

I think it is the excess insulin trying to bring the blood glucose down that stores the fat. I never should have been consuming any sugar, etc anyway but have been going through post traumatic stress disorder for 10 months since someone drove their car through the side of my house- nearly killing me, and that’s how I was unfortunately dealing with it. A poor choice for sure!

Now I monitor my blood glucose like a type 2 diabetic does with an accurate instrument used in hospitals. Found it very informing about how my body works. I suspect I will have little difficulty losing more weight as I keep insulin levels low.

BTW, I’m 62 and plan to live at least til 91 also.

Woody