Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Well not quite. If you remember a few weeks ago I posted a study where fit and thin lived the longest, then thin and unfit, then fat and fit, finally fat and unfit died the youngest IIRC. Too lazy at the moment to access it from the files, but I will if I find the time later......... on 2/16/2005 10:27 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote: > Rodney. > > [And don't forget the perhaps wise words of cardiologist Dr. Henry > in his book 'The Exercise Myth' that: " ..... fitness has > absolutely nothing to do with health " ] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Here's the post I'm talking about: /message/16770 on 2/16/2005 10:43 AM, Francesca Skelton at fskelton@... wrote: > Well not quite. If you remember a few weeks ago I posted a study where fit > and thin lived the longest, then thin and unfit, then fat and fit, finally > fat and unfit died the youngest IIRC. > > Too lazy at the moment to access it from the files, but I will if I find the > time later......... > > > on 2/16/2005 10:27 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote: >> Rodney. >> >> [And don't forget the perhaps wise words of cardiologist Dr. Henry >> in his book 'The Exercise Myth' that: " ..... fitness has >> absolutely nothing to do with health " ] >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Hi Francesca: I think this is the post, #14673? " ..... One study of more than 900 women with chest pain found that those who were unfit were much more likely to have a heart attack or stroke than those who were overweight. But the other, a study of more than 37,000 healthy nurses, found that being fit did little to reduce the huge risk that overweight women face of developing diabetes. " And IIRC my comment was that of course one would expect those with the most-clogged arteries to be nearly incapable of exercise because of restricted blood flow to the muscles, and when tested to be found to be very unfit, BECAUSE OF their clogged arteries. And naturally they were much more likely to have a heart attack, BECAUSE of their clogged arteries. IMO the 'findings' of that study were an artifact of the study design, not an indication that exercise reduced CVD risk. So I do not think that first study is a good one to suggest fitness PREVENTS heart disease. Rather, the more clogged your arteries are the less able you are to exert yourself resulting in poor fitness scores and, of course, more heart attacks. (But I have exercised a lot over the years because I think (hope?) it is beneficial. So I am not completely persuaded by Dr. either! MODERATION, MODERATION, MODERATION? lol) Rodney. > > Rodney. > > > > [And don't forget the perhaps wise words of cardiologist Dr. Henry > > in his book 'The Exercise Myth' that: " ..... fitness has > > absolutely nothing to do with health " ] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 IMO, "fitness" does not prevent MI's. But then it depends on what is "fitness"? I've seen much bigger guys walk faster than me - obese guys. Fitness like achieved by a footballer does not qualify at all. And fitness of marathoners does not qualify either. Pritikin pointed out in Diet for Runners, pg 80, "Dr reported data from Rhode Island from 1975 to 1980. For each sedentary man 30 to 64 years of age who experienced sudden death, there were seven joggers." Pritikin adds "only on the American diet". A good chapter - "Run and Die on the American Diet", IMO. Pg 64, "I documented my thesis that running does not protect against heart disease". Pg 65: "if your diet is similar to that eaten by most Americans, it's high in fat and cholesterol which causes thickening and narrowing of the blood vessels supplying oxygen to the heart." Pg 79, "In 1971, Dr Ernst Jokl published a monograph on more than 100 cases of sudden death during exercise...." the group had proceeded without symptoms and without impairment of physical fitness." The point is, diet, not "fitness" (whatever that is) is what's important. The nurses study implies that below. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Walking Fitness Test Hi Francesca:I think this is the post, #14673?"..... One study of more than 900 women with chest pain found that those who wereunfit were much more likely to have a heart attack or stroke than those whowere overweight. But the other, a study of more than 37,000 healthy nurses,found that being fit did little to reduce the huge risk that overweightwomen face of developing diabetes."And IIRC my comment was that of course one would expect those with the most-clogged arteries to be nearly incapable of exercise because of restricted blood flow to the muscles, and when tested to be found to be very unfit, BECAUSE OF their clogged arteries. And naturally they were much more likely to have a heart attack, BECAUSE of their clogged arteries. IMO the 'findings' of that study were an artifact of the study design, not an indication that exercise reduced CVD risk.So I do not think that first study is a good one to suggest fitness PREVENTS heart disease. Rather, the more clogged your arteries are the less able you are to exert yourself resulting in poor fitness scores and, of course, more heart attacks.(But I have exercised a lot over the years because I think (hope?) it is beneficial. So I am not completely persuaded by Dr. either! MODERATION, MODERATION, MODERATION? lol)Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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