Cretan and Okinawans (was Re: Olive Oil is not exactly MUFA)

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--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

>

> Then are you saying you think the people in Crete who eat the most

> olive oil only eat the 'nasty refined' olive oils?

>

No, but if you refer to the study about CVD and Cretan/Mediterranean

diet, I guess no Extra Virgin propierty is going to protect against

100 grams of oil a day. Perhaps they would be doing better by eating

the olives instead.

> My GUESS is that the beneficial CVD aspects of the

> Mediterranean Diet

> (which seem to be nowhere near as beneficial as the japanese diet)

> are a consequence of the fish and wine they consume, and a lower

> caloric intake, rather than the oil.

I see one difference here: Okinawans eat less overall than Western

people, so they have better choices of reaching old ages... On the

other hand, Cretan people today die yunger than Okinawan. 60's

Cretan/Mediterranean diet was different from today's one. They ate 30

grams of meat a day, 18 grams of fish, 500 grams of fruit, 90 grams

of olive oil, 200 grams of vegetables, 30 grams of pulses, 200 grams

of goat's dairy and 400 grams of whole bread. They did a lot of hard

work only in order to subsist, and the most important of all: they

have really little probability of die from CVD and/or cancer, or some

other metabolic diseases, so they didn't earlier from those causes.

But they hadn't an extra life span for that, so they only had a

longer median lifespan as a group, with no longer maximal lifespan.

They lived healthier, that's all.

I guess you are right when suppose wine and fish have something to do

here. I could give you the references for some (very different)

papers where you coul extract more or less this actual and updated

information:

When in a mediterranean diet you substitute walnuts/almonds for MUFA,

CV parameters improve (30% CfF). (CfF=Calories from Fat)

When you substitute almonds for carbohydrates in an energy restricted

diet, CV parameters improve (40% CfF)

Fish, colored vegetables protects against colon/rectal cancer in

Japanese people, while fat is detrimental. Fibre do not interfere.

Red meat seems to increase probabilities of having intestinal cancers.

w-3 play a role in several different ways in a lot of different

reactions, carrying to an overall improvement in all body processes.

But if we are going to bet.... maybe a cocoction of all of it always

in a CR environment should be the best bet...

Willie