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I'm going to read this later, thanks .

Forbes magazine had an article way back that people who continue to get drunk

on the weekends after college are more successful in career, etc. They

theorized that alcohol kills the weakest brain cells first, therefore

eliminating

the weak links in the chain, the slow buffaloes in the pack, etc. lol!

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>Interesting article on wine and fertility

>

>Wine-Drinking Women More Fertile

Also we are prettier and more interesting conversationalists <weg>.

Seriously though, I've had two women I know who liked their wine, and

whose teetotalling husbands disapproved. They outlived

their spouses by a good margin, and probably enjoyed life more

to boot.

-- Heidi

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:27:21 -0700

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>>Interesting article on wine and fertility

>>

>>Wine-Drinking Women More Fertile

>

>Also we are prettier and more interesting conversationalists <weg>.

Yes and I for one am glad for that difference <bseg>

>

>Seriously though, I've had two women I know who liked their wine, and

>whose teetotalling husbands disapproved. They outlived

>their spouses by a good margin, and probably enjoyed life more

>to boot.

>

>-- Heidi

I don't know how teetotallers and those who enjoy the fruit of the vine mesh.

Maybe it is just me, but wine seems very much a part of a lifestyle, and

any woman I have ever dated who doesn't drink the stuff just never

seemed to work out.

It would be like me marrying a confirmed junk food junkie. NOT!!

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> I don't know how teetotallers and those who enjoy the fruit of the

> vine mesh.

> Maybe it is just me, but wine seems very much a part of a lifestyle,

> and

> any woman I have ever dated who doesn't drink the stuff just never

> seemed to work out.

Well, see, there are some of us who've already drunk our lifetime

ration, and probably part of yours. :)

Lynn S.

sober since '87

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>>>>I don't know how teetotallers and those who enjoy the fruit of the vine

mesh.

Maybe it is just me, but wine seems very much a part of a lifestyle, and

any woman I have ever dated who doesn't drink the stuff just never

seemed to work out.

It would be like me marrying a confirmed junk food junkie. NOT!!

---->oh michael, that is just blatantly anti-multicultural of you. junkfood

junkies are just a " different " culture - no better or worse than us

well-nourished NT folk. to eliminate them from the matrimonial pool solely

based on their food preference is extremely NT-centric of you, and just

plain discriminatory. tsk...tsk...hmmmmm....i propose a taxpayer-funded

gov't program to " fix " this mindset. nothing a slew of well paid

psychologists, social scientists, several layers of administrators, and a

little legislation can't fix. nope. that should do it.

or, better yet, i propose a new department on college campuses across the

country that will be a strictly academic, baggage-less focus on teetotaling

junkfood junkies and their struggle for equal matrimonial opportunities with

well nourished NT single drinkers. that should cover all bases.

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>I don't know how teetotallers and those who enjoy the fruit of the vine mesh.

Not well, in my experience. My Mom was the wine drinker, my Dad was

not, and it was a BIG issue. Kind of like marrying a smoker! Don't do

it unless you smoke!

Of course you ALSO don't want to marry someone who gets flat out drunk

every night either. Finding the right mix is hard ...

-- Heidi

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:40:16 -0700

Lynn Siprelle <lynn@...> wrote:

>> I don't know how teetotallers and those who enjoy the fruit of the

>> vine mesh.

>> Maybe it is just me, but wine seems very much a part of a lifestyle,

>> and

>> any woman I have ever dated who doesn't drink the stuff just never

>> seemed to work out.

>

>Well, see, there are some of us who've already drunk our lifetime

>ration, and probably part of yours. :)

>

>Lynn S.

>sober since '87

LOL!!! Does this mean you are married to a teetotaller, or were you

already married when you went sober?

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:54:50 -0400

" Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>>>>>I don't know how teetotallers and those who enjoy the fruit of the vine

>mesh.

>Maybe it is just me, but wine seems very much a part of a lifestyle, and

>any woman I have ever dated who doesn't drink the stuff just never

>seemed to work out.

>

>It would be like me marrying a confirmed junk food junkie. NOT!!

>

>

>---->oh michael, that is just blatantly anti-multicultural of you. junkfood

>junkies are just a " different " culture - no better or worse than us

>well-nourished NT folk. to eliminate them from the matrimonial pool solely

>based on their food preference is extremely NT-centric of you, and just

>plain discriminatory. tsk...tsk...hmmmmm....

Suze,

How could I be so culturally insensitive? What was I thinking?!!!! I

apologize to every confirmed junk food eater on this list. As a way to

make amends I will eat a box of hostess yo yo's and drink a cherry

slurpee every night for dessert this week.

I can't believe I was so crass and insensitive. Must be all that NT

foods negatively affecting my emotional makeup.

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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:31:26 -0700

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>>I don't know how teetotallers and those who enjoy the fruit of the vine mesh.

>

>Not well, in my experience. My Mom was the wine drinker, my Dad was

>not, and it was a BIG issue. Kind of like marrying a smoker! Don't do

>it unless you smoke!

Yup agree wholeheartedly. I can't imagine pulling out a beautiful

perfectly aged 10 year bottle of wine and not being able to share its

delights with my significant other. Its a lifestyle that is for sure.

>

>Of course you ALSO don't want to marry someone who gets flat out drunk

>every night either. Finding the right mix is hard ...

>

>-- Heidi

With the exception of one young lady in particular, I have been lucky in

finding the right mix.

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>> Well, see, there are some of us who've already drunk our lifetime

>> ration, and probably part of yours. :)

>>

>> Lynn S.

>> sober since '87

>

>

> LOL!!! Does this mean you are married to a teetotaller, or were you

> already married when you went sober?

We were both sober when we met. He's ten years younger chronologically

but he's only a little younger in " AA years " than I am. I miss being

able to drink, mostly from a flavor perspective, and I'm lucky in that

I can cook with wine and have it in the house without difficulty. I can

also drink NA beer (but don't very often) to get my " hops fix. " I miss

sweet vermouth over crushed ice, sherry or port and cheese after

dinner, hot sake at sushi bars, and gin and tonics on airplanes (the

only way I can fly). But I don't miss them enough to go back to

drinking.

Lynn S.

-----

Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan

The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/

Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/

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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:04:33 -0700

Lynn Siprelle <lynn@...> wrote:

>>

>> LOL!!! Does this mean you are married to a teetotaller, or were you

>> already married when you went sober?

>

>We were both sober when we met. He's ten years younger chronologically

>but he's only a little younger in " AA years " than I am.

Okay so you are proving our point, LOL!!

I miss being

>able to drink, mostly from a flavor perspective, and I'm lucky in that

>I can cook with wine and have it in the house without difficulty. I can

>also drink NA beer (but don't very often) to get my " hops fix. " I miss

>sweet vermouth over crushed ice, sherry or port and cheese after

>dinner, hot sake at sushi bars, and gin and tonics on airplanes (the

>only way I can fly).

All that sounds wonderful, although I am not a big vermouth fan or a gin

and tonic fan.

But I don't miss them enough to go back to

>drinking.

Out of curiosity, do you view alcoholism as a disease?

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> Okay so you are proving our point, LOL!!

Oh, absolutely. Survey any ten women in AA and eight of them will have

divorced since sobriety. Not true as much with the guys.

> Out of curiosity, do you view alcoholism as a disease?

Considering how it runs in families, yes, I do. I don't know if it's

metabolic but I suspect it is, having to do with the processing of

sugars. With me, and in my relatives with drinking problems, I think

it's also an attempt to self-medicate chronic depression.

Lynn S.

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The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/

Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/

People-Powered ! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

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