Nuts vs. carbs --AND-- CR (was Re: Cretans and Okinawans)

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--- In , " Jeff Novick " <jnovick@p...>

wrote:

> When nuts/seeds replace refined processed carbs, on an equal

calorie basis, with caloric level maintained, yes, CV risk factors

improve. But, I havent seen that replacing unrefined, unprocessed

carbs with nuts/seeds on an equal calorie basis with both diets being

served ad libitum, improve risk factors.

> For both diets, the subjects were encouraged to eat ad libitum

[...]. This " real world " [...]

Yes, the point here is that fat is less filling than unrefined carbs,

so if you are not going to be careful and mathematically measuring

your macronutrient intakes, you are not going to be on a CR diet

while eating fat ad libitum. And you can't think of trying CR in

our " real world " if you are not going to prepare your meals.

> " And new research from Oregon Health & Science University found

that a low-fat, high-fiber diet caused significant weight loss in

type 2 diabetics, whereas a diet high in monounsaturated fats did not.

Yes, but I have seen several papers where you can observe that what

improves health on NIDDM-II subjects is not always the same

that 'protects' healthy people for not getting it.

On the other hand, I believe in your approach of low-fat, but on a CR

approach I am not trying to get less in a per-cent basis by energy,

but trying to take a moderate (my personal point of view here) amount

to my BW. In this approach, I eat 1-1.5-3 grams of f-p-c per kilogram

of BW, what derives in a 33-22-44 f-p-c per-cent by energy. (My fiber

is always over 50 grams a day).

Please, Jeff, read this:

http://tinyurl.com/6odxz

And take in mind, that the study about CR subjects showing huge

improvement in their CV risk markers ( http://tinyurl.com/3wvco ),

say they were eating somewhere between 20-30/30-40/40-50 energy from

p/f/c. So, is CR, not ad-lib, what we are testing when see better

blood parameters. Ok, I agree that ad libitum eating at a low fat

diet almost always ends in a CR diet, so that is what works.

Willie.