Re: Low Fat Low Sugar Cocoa

[Guest guest]

IIRC, most of the prepared cocoas have added carbs in the form of

maltodextrin or the like and perhaps also added salt, no?

On 4/12/05, Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi folks:

>

> Today I checked to find the low fat cocoa that appears in the USDA

> database, and appears to be quite healthy.

>

> Its fat calories are 5.5% of total, and the carbohydrate content is

> two times the protein content. The latter is a measure indicating

> the amount of added sugar. The 2:1 ratio of this product is about as

> low as one can find. With zero added sugar cocoa does contain carbs,

> of course. I have seen one with a 40:1 carb:protein ratio!!!

>

> The product name is: " Carnation Hot Chocolate, Light Hot Chocolate " .

> For certain it is available in Walmart here. The UPC # is:

> 6500036852.

>

> fwiw

>

> Rodney.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Not sure about the salt and maltodextrin. But here are the

nutritiondata data for 100g of three varieties of hot chocolate:

Brand - A --- B --- C -

------ --- - --- - ---

Fat --- 3g -- 4g -- 4g

Carb - 56g - 85g - 87g

Prot - 29g -- 6g -- 5g

Other- 12g -- 5g -- 4g

----- ---- ----- -----

Total 100g -100g -100g

===== ==== ===== =====

Can you tell which is the " no sugar added " version? (!) And these

are not the most extreme cases of added sugar I have found in

chocolate products. The highest carb:protein ratio there is 17.4:1.

I have seen a ratio of 40:1 and my study was by no means exhaustive.

The no-sugar-added version above is 1.93:1.

If my algebra is correct, in order to get the carbs percentage up

from 56% to 86% they would need to add 214.3g of carbs (sugar?) to

the 100g of no-sugar-added cocoa they started with. (Check that

number if you like). Amazing!

Rodney.

> >

> >

> > Hi folks:

> >

> > Today I checked to find the low fat cocoa that appears in the USDA

> > database, and appears to be quite healthy.

> >

> > Its fat calories are 5.5% of total, and the carbohydrate content

is

> > two times the protein content. The latter is a measure indicating

> > the amount of added sugar. The 2:1 ratio of this product is

about as

> > low as one can find. With zero added sugar cocoa does contain

carbs,

> > of course. I have seen one with a 40:1 carb:protein ratio!!!

> >

> > The product name is: " Carnation Hot Chocolate, Light Hot

Chocolate " .

> > For certain it is available in Walmart here. The UPC # is:

> > 6500036852.

> >

> > fwiw

> >

> > Rodney.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi :

So that one has a 5:1 carb/protein ratio, and zero fat. Do we know

which brand it is? The Carnation product has a 1.93:1 carbs/protein

ratio and 5.5% of calories from fat. I haven't been able to find its

ingredient list.

Rodney.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi folks:

> > > >

> > > > Today I checked to find the low fat cocoa that appears in the

USDA

> > > > database, and appears to be quite healthy.

> > > >

> > > > Its fat calories are 5.5% of total, and the carbohydrate

content

> > is

> > > > two times the protein content. The latter is a measure

indicating

> > > > the amount of added sugar. The 2:1 ratio of this product is

> > about as

> > > > low as one can find. With zero added sugar cocoa does contain

> > carbs,

> > > > of course. I have seen one with a 40:1 carb:protein ratio!!!

> > > >

> > > > The product name is: " Carnation Hot Chocolate, Light Hot

> > Chocolate " .

> > > > For certain it is available in Walmart here. The UPC # is:

> > > > 6500036852.

> > > >

> > > > fwiw

> > > >

> > > > Rodney.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca:

So it looks like that one has 22% of the calories from fat and a 3:1

carb/protein ratio. But it would be nice if they had given the data

to a couple of decimal places when the sample size - five or six

grams? - is so small.

Rodney.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Hi folks:

> >>>>

> >>>> Today I checked to find the low fat cocoa that appears in the

USDA

> >>>> database, and appears to be quite healthy.

> >>>>

> >>>> Its fat calories are 5.5% of total, and the carbohydrate

content

> >> is

> >>>> two times the protein content. The latter is a measure

indicating

> >>>> the amount of added sugar. The 2:1 ratio of this product is

> >> about as

> >>>> low as one can find. With zero added sugar cocoa does contain

> >> carbs,

> >>>> of course. I have seen one with a 40:1 carb:protein ratio!!!

> >>>>

> >>>> The product name is: " Carnation Hot Chocolate, Light Hot

> >> Chocolate " .

> >>>> For certain it is available in Walmart here. The UPC # is:

> >>>> 6500036852.

> >>>>

> >>>> fwiw

> >>>>

> >>>> Rodney.

[Guest guest]

So what we need is an inexpensive, non-alkali-processed, near zero

fat, low carb:protein ratio product! Any suggestions?

I can tolerate 5.5% fat calories, but I don't know about the alkali

status of these products.

Rodney.

>

> > According to the reports I've read, the flavinoid content of

regular

> > (non- " dutched " ) cocoa is superior to that of alkaline

treated/dutched

> > cocoas, such as those used in most prepared cocoa products,

including

> > the Carnation products.

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca:

OK. So fat calories percent total is about 25% then. (5 fat

calories divided by 20 total calories, times 100)

Rodney.

>

> >

> > Hi Francesca:

> >

> > So it looks like that one has 22% of the calories from fat and a

3:1

> > carb/protein ratio. But it would be nice if they had given the

data

> > to a couple of decimal places when the sample size - five or six

> > grams? - is so small.

> >

> > Rodney.

> >

[Guest guest]

FYI -

For comparison, a bag of raw cacao beans I recently purchased

had the following nutrition information (upon request):

per 28 g: 160 calories, 11 g total fat, 4 g sat fat,

25 mg cholesterol, 30 mg sodium, 14 g total carbs,

9 g fiber, 3 g sugars, 1 g protein, 42 mg vit C

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[Guest guest]

Hi :

That is interesting. Fat calories 62% of total, and total carbs to

protein of 14:1. Hmmmmm. Non-fiber carbs to protein of 5:1.

So the product with a 1.93:1 ratio must have had a lot of carbs

squeezed out of it along with the fat?

Rodney.

--- In , " cronzen " <truepatriot@m...>

wrote:

>

> FYI -

>

> For comparison, a bag of raw cacao beans I recently purchased

> had the following nutrition information (upon request):

>

> per 28 g: 160 calories, 11 g total fat, 4 g sat fat,

> 25 mg cholesterol, 30 mg sodium, 14 g total carbs,

> 9 g fiber, 3 g sugars, 1 g protein, 42 mg vit C

>

> -

[Guest guest]

,

I don't think that you got the correct nutrition information. As far

as I know, vegetable products DO NOT have cholesterol.

http://www.health-alliance.com/nn/hheguide/intro_4.html

" Dietary Cholesterol is present in ALL foods of animal origin such as

meat, fish, poultry, egg yolks and high fat dairy products. There is

no cholesterol in vegetables, fruits, nuts or grains. "

Tony

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From: " cronzen " <truepatriot@...>

Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:47 pm

Subject: Re: Low Fat Low Sugar Cocoa

FYI -

For comparison, a bag of raw cacao beans I recently purchased

had the following nutrition information (upon request):

per 28 g: 160 calories, 11 g total fat, 4 g sat fat,

25 mg cholesterol, 30 mg sodium, 14 g total carbs,

9 g fiber, 3 g sugars, 1 g protein, 42 mg vit C

-

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Perhaps the apparently high carbohydrate numbers come from parts of

the raw seeds that are discarded in the production process. I am

thinking of things like the shells (if the seeds have them).

Rodney.

> >

> > FYI -

> >

> > For comparison, a bag of raw cacao beans I recently purchased

> > had the following nutrition information (upon request):

> >

> > per 28 g: 160 calories, 11 g total fat, 4 g sat fat,

> > 25 mg cholesterol, 30 mg sodium, 14 g total carbs,

> > 9 g fiber, 3 g sugars, 1 g protein, 42 mg vit C

> >

> > -

[Guest guest]

Hi Folks:

I emailed Nestlé to ask which of their cocoas are alkali-processed

and which aren't. They refused to answer on the grounds they do not

disclose their production methods.

I take this to mean they do not want us to know, because if we knew

we would avoid the products. Elsewhere I have read that alkali-

processed cocoa is much easier to use for making powdered products.

I guess we could titrate some samples, find out which are the most

and least alkaline, and draw conclusions from that.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make a titratable cocoa

solution? Tony probably?

Rodney.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Hi folks:

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Today I checked to find the low fat cocoa that appears in

the USDA

> > >>>> database, and appears to be quite healthy.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Its fat calories are 5.5% of total, and the carbohydrate

content

> > >> is

> > >>>> two times the protein content. The latter is a measure

indicating

> > >>>> the amount of added sugar. The 2:1 ratio of this product is

> > >> about as

> > >>>> low as one can find. With zero added sugar cocoa does

contain

> > >> carbs,

> > >>>> of course. I have seen one with a 40:1 carb:protein ratio!!!

> > >>>>

> > >>>> The product name is: " Carnation Hot Chocolate, Light Hot

> > >> Chocolate " .

> > >>>> For certain it is available in Walmart here. The UPC # is:

> > >>>> 6500036852.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> fwiw

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Rodney.

> >

> >

> >