Monkey business

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

The below is a lighter examination of

the human-simian discussion in the recent

literature and the press.

Although the discussion has recently

arisen among us regarding the application

of primate CR studies for humans and an

undersized humanoid species that would

eat less yet have similar brain function,

much of the dialog of the below Lancet

Comment is outside these areas.

There was:

" Food, however, was on hand and

sometimes stolen. "

Maybe more in our nutritional interests,

there was:

" Snoopers photographed Capuchin monkeys (Cebus albifrons) in

Brazil using stones to dig up vegetable roots and eat them. "

What might the lipid profile be of Panda

nuts (Panda oleosa)?

Lancet 365, Iss 9457, 29 Jan 2005, 371-372

Comment

Patronising monkeys

As told to Bignall

Available online 28 January 2005.

We meet again. Here we are, my friend and I, putting the

world to rights. First, an apology. In a previous discussion,[1] we

referred to our fellow primates as Homo sapiens. This is in error;

some years ago, H sapiens decided to be a subspecies—H sapiens

sapiens. It is difficult to make sense of this pompous conceit, but

nonetheless we apologise. We apologise, in addition, on behalf of our

species, Pan troglodytes (which remains proudly unsubspecied), for a

regrettable outbreak of species-subspecies violence in a Ugandan

National Park. Some rogue chimpanzees got intoxicated on stocks of

banana beer, illegally brewed by H sapiens sapiens, and killed up to

eight children.[2] Inexcusable, but who is truly to blame? There is

good news, of a sort. Chimpanzees have been found to be smarter than

H sapiens sapiens children, at least in trying to get food out of a

box.[3] We do not find this observation surprising.

Chimpanzees have long been patronised by H sapiens sapiens for

speaking, typing, using tools to get food out of boxes, and so forth.

We have griped before about this.[4] Now it is the monkey's turn.

Snoopers photographed Capuchin monkeys (Cebus albifrons) in Brazil

using stones to dig up vegetable roots and eat them.[5] Isn't that

just so cute? And it is the first report, ever, of a monkey using a

tool to dig up roots.

Now, you can take different attitudes to this sort of thing. You

can be a Pan or a Homo. Was it not the great German romantic poet

Novalis (Baron Georg Friedrich Philipp Von Hardenberg, 1772–1801) who

said " Tools arm the man " ? Too true, and having a gush about

supposedly dim-witted apes and monkeys using tools will not draw

attention away from what Homo uses theirs for—the AK-47 Kalashnikov

rifle, for starters. Pan and Cebus, also many birds (including crows

in New Caledonia who not only use tools but also make them), use

tools because they have to, not to exterminate each other or other

species.

wants to put it more bluntly. He wants a pre-emptive

declaration of Pan's superiority in, among other attributes,

hyperspatial knowledge management, tree climbing, and table manners;

and any perceived inferiority in ballroom dancing or table tennis to

be seen as purely a matter of Pan's choice. Won't do any good. There

is a radical, if unrealistic, solution to the patronising problem,

suggested by the serial evolutionist, Dawkins. Someone should

make a Pan/Homo hybrid.[6] The article is illustrated with how such a

being might appear—unfortunately almost exactly like the President of

the USA. This apparition would so thoroughly shake up the vicious

adherents of speciesism that the problems would vanish. Professor

Dawkins should get real. The hybrid would be shot on sight.

Personally, I know there's no solution. P troglodytes and our bonobo

colleagues (and occasionally our lunch), P paniscus, are on the edge

of extinction. Facing extinction, what do you do? I said to to

go and pinch the heap of Panda nuts (Panda oleosa) that a female over

there has spent the afternoon bashing open with a stone. We'll eat

them and then have a doze.

and I were once among participants in an observational

anthropological study. No expenses were reimbursed nor honorariums

offered. Food, however, was on hand and sometimes stolen.

References

1. As told to Bignall. Chimps plead hands off our genome. Lancet

2002; 360: 504.

2. Wakabi W. `Drunk and disorderly' chimps attacking Ugandan

children. East African Feb 9, 2004:

http://www.primates.com/chimps/drunk-n-disorderly.html (accessed Dec

11, 2004).

3. Horner V, Whiten A. Causal knowledge and imitation/emulation

switching in chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes) and children (Homo

sapiens). Anim Cogn Nov 11, 2004: DOI: 10.1007/s10071-004-0239-6

(accessed Nov 11, 2004).

4. As told to Bignall. Monkeying with Shakespeare. Lancet 2003;

361: 2004.

5. NJ Emery and NS. Clayton, Capuchin stone tool use in Caatinga dry

forest. Science 306 (2004), p. 1909.

6. R. Dawkins, Meet my cousin, the chimpanzee. New Scientist 138

(1993), pp. 36–38.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron

I have been researching and watching the news for a long time now.

You can bet on Americans continuing to have the best Medical Care in the world, and the best Medical Research in the world.

The Protease Inhibitors are already about to be allowed later this year in the USA, and they increase SVR to around 80% with the I/R TX [3D TX].

http://www.sdbj.com/article.asp?aID=355043502.3079895.1855373.115014.9180008.274 & aID2=142712 & mostread=true

[Ask Gloria - she just finished a Phase 3 clinical trial in Canada, and is SVR.]

Theres all sorts of new developements in the pipeline after this too, all the way up to a HCV Vaccine.

http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/4492D228-7024-443E-8DDE-90CBBD788B9D.asp

http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/hiv_hcv_vaccine_1667_17601.shtml

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/172370.php

http://hepatitis.about.com/b/2009/12/09/spc3649.htm

These are just some of the many posts I have sent the group of medical advances in the works.

Read more in the links library archieves:

http://health.dir./group/ /links/NEWS_ARTICLES_001251495695/

http://health.dir./group/ /links/000A___HCV_NEWS_ARCHIEVE_001262375126/

So keep your chin up, and have faith.

A real treatment, and even possibly a 'total cure' is on the way.

love

don in ks

From: Ron <bucaman@...>Subject: [ ] Monkey Business Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 8:30 PM

http://www.kvue.com/news/state/Texas-scientists-hail-hepatitis-C-breakthrough-78684627.html

don't hold your breath, the FDA will show us there is no health freedom in the USA, once again

http://Hepatitis Cnewdrugs.blogspot.com/2010/01/audionew-hcv-drug-2010.html

[Guest guest]

Oh Don!!!Them's almost fighting words!!! The best Medical Care !!!!! Even a huge amount of the research on these treatments have to be done over there first and not in North America. My clinical came from somewhere in Europe, like Belgium or something like that. Vertex is just getting ready to be the distributors for it in North America.Yes Ron, I did just finish the Clinical Trial and found out that I was a very special guinea pig!! There was only about 650 people in the world that were on this particular clinical!! It was the one for previous NR's. At this point, nobody is ready to party yet; but, we have believed since last October that I am SVR now. So I had two weeks to be determined to get my energy kicked up a few notches and get on

with living. Then, I got my cancer confirmation!!However, the experiences I've gone through with that Clinical, have so changed my outlook and belief systems, that I'm going into the cancer phase with a much more serene attitude. I'm really not concerned about it and will maybe have a few questions for the Gastro when I see him next week and that's a week before they booked me with a surgeon. I'm just prepared to give it my all and not quit fighting; but, be far more accepting of life on life's terms from truly deep down in the soul.Gloria Hi Ron I have been researching and watching the news for a long time now. You can bet on Americans continuing to have the best Medical Care in the world, and the best Medical Research in the world. The Protease Inhibitors are already about to be allowed later this year in the USA, and they increase SVR to around 80% with the I/R TX [3D TX]. http://www.sdbj. com/article. asp?aID=35504350 2.3079895. 1855373.115014. 9180008.274 & aID2=142712 & mostread=true [Ask Gloria - she just finished a Phase 3 clinical trial in Canada, and is SVR.] Theres all sorts of new developements in the pipeline after this too, all the way up to a HCV Vaccine. http://www.aidsmap. com/en/news/ 4492D228- 7024-443E- 8DDE-90CBBD788B9 D.asp http://www.aidsmeds .com/articles/ hiv_hcv_vaccine_ 1667_17601. shtml http://www.medicaln ewstoday. com/articles/ 172370.php http://hepatitis. about.com/ b/2009/12/ 09/spc3649. htm These are just some of the many

posts I have sent the group of medical advances in the works. Read more in the links library archieves: http://health. dir.groups. / group/HepCWebWar riors/links/ NEWS_ARTICLES_ 001251495695/ http://health. dir.groups. / group/HepCWebWar riors/links/ 000A___HCV_ NEWS_ARCHIEVE_ 001262375126/ So keep your chin up, and have faith. A real treatment, and even possibly a 'total cure' is on the way. love don in ks From: Ron <bucamanrocketmail (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] Monkey Business Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 8:30 PM http://www.kvue. com/news/ state/Texas- scientists- hail-hepatitis- C-breakthrough- 78684627. html don't hold your breath, the FDA will show us there is no health freedom in the USA, once again http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 01/audionew- hcv-drug- 2010.html

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[Guest guest]

This is why you don't see much of me anymore in most of these forums.

There is NO HEALTH FREEDOM in the USA. Freedom means the choice to choose your

own therapy, without the FDA and the AMA deciding for you what is " approved " for

use. This of course, means all expenses come directly from you own pocket, since

insurance companies and Big Pharma own the FDA.

99% of all FDA and Big Pharma studies include the brutal useless combo +

whatever cocktail they choose to add to it. This particular one takes a

completely different approach using DNA.

But you can bet, it'll never see the light of day.

We have this big never ending debate with all the DC politicians (all of whom

are beholding to the drug companies) and there is no mention of alternative

treatments. None, zippo, nada!

People, if you are 1a or 1b, start taking control over your own health, don't

rely on big brother.

RocketRon

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Actually the World Health Org. currently lists France as #1 overall in providing

health care to its citizens. It's true that we in the USA have amazing medical

technology and research, but can we access it? Can we pay for it? Does it

bankrupt our family? My 60 year old brother-in-law just died 3 weeks ago due to

under-treated very expensive dental problems which he was trying to treat

himself because he couldn't pay and this progressed to a generalized blood

infection which led to a fatal stroke. It's estimated that lack of medical

coverage causes at least 20,000 deaths per year in the US. I just read a good

book by TR Reid, " The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper,

and Fairer Health Care " . He was also featured in a PBS Frontline show called

" Sick Around the World " . He traveled around the world checking out the health

care systems in various countries -

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Hi Ron

This is my opinion only.

I agree with part of what you say.

It may seem that we have no choice due to the limits of available TX for HCV.

The political game is very slow, and possibly crooked.

No doubt the funding does come out of our own pockets one way or the other.

What choice do we all have?

You must remember that serious Medical Research into viruses is still very young.

Its going to take time to find something like a 'one pill, your well' answer.

Alternative medicine has been around a lot longer, but who knows what works there?

Very few actual studies, and 'proof' records exist, but this also is being looked into, bit by bit.

Everyone is guessing, and again its going to take some time.

The Govt may not be funding alternative research much, but independant companys are.

I have read a lot about the usefulness of Milk Thistle, for example.

Antioxidants, vitamin D, stem cells, DNA/RNA, etc.

There is a lot on diet too.

More is comming everyday, regaurdless of what the Govt/big Pharm does.

The 'freedom of choice' does exist, for the most part.

You, or anyone, is free to choose conventional TX, or alternative TX, or both.

In this group, we try to allow everyone to voice their protocal, about whatever they choose.

We need to know what works, so we too can possibly cure.

If you have a real answer for a HCV cure, we would all love to hear about it, no doubt.

Meantime, please keep in mind that thousands of people have reached SVR using the conventional TX.

True sadly some havent.

The same can possibly be said, I think, for alternative TX methods.

We all need to have a bit of hope Ron, and so far there is hope, both with conventional TX, and whats comming down the pipeline.

There is hope from alternative methods too.

I, for one, need to believe that one day I will be cured, and seek answers.

I choose to think positive about all the possibilitys, because thinking negative destroys my hope, and that can kill.

I dont want to die.

In my own belief, diet/lifestyle is step one towards a better, healthier life.

Step two is research, and talking to one another. Knowledge.

Then we can each decide on step three.

NEVER give up hope, my friend.

love

don in ks

From: Ron <bucaman@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Monkey Business Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 7:34 AM

This is why you don't see much of me anymore in most of these forums.There is NO HEALTH FREEDOM in the USA. Freedom means the choice to choose your own therapy, without the FDA and the AMA deciding for you what is "approved" for use. This of course, means all expenses come directly from you own pocket, since insurance companies and Big Pharma own the FDA.99% of all FDA and Big Pharma studies include the brutal useless combo + whatever cocktail they choose to add to it. This particular one takes a completely different approach using DNA.But you can bet, it'll never see the light of day.We have this big never ending debate with all the DC politicians (all of whom are beholding to the drug companies) and there is no mention of alternative treatments. None, zippo, nada!People, if you are 1a or 1b, start taking control over your own health, don't rely on big brother.RocketRon> > > From: Ron <bucaman@...>> Subject: [ ] Monkey Business> > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kvue.com/news/state/Texas-scientists-hail-hepatitis-C-breakthrough-78684627.html> > don't hold your breath, the FDA will show us there is no health freedom in the USA, once again > > http://Hepatitis Cnewdrugs.blogspot.com/2010/01/audionew-hcv-drug-2010.html>------------------------------------

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Oh, I'm so glad that you are back Ron !!! Please don't stop posting... You are like a beacon that gets us back on course!! I need to see your opinions on here and that's probably because I have a strong tendency to share those opinions. To some degree I do wish that I had taken a lot more control of my own health care, after the first treatment. However, we live, we learn... I just simply do not instantly agree with many things until I can research it.Gloria

This is why you don't see much of me anymore in most of these forums.

There is NO HEALTH FREEDOM in the USA. Freedom means the choice to choose your own therapy, without the FDA and the AMA deciding for you what is "approved" for use. This of course, means all expenses come directly from you own pocket, since insurance companies and Big Pharma own the FDA.

99% of all FDA and Big Pharma studies include the brutal useless combo + whatever cocktail they choose to add to it. This particular one takes a completely different approach using DNA.

But you can bet, it'll never see the light of day.

We have this big never ending debate with all the DC politicians (all of whom are beholding to the drug companies) and there is no mention of alternative treatments. None, zippo, nada!

People, if you are 1a or 1b, start taking control over your own health, don't rely on big brother.

RocketRon

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DonBut, I can understand where Ron is coming from since he's been through, what 3 treatments Ron??? The success rate for 1A's or 1B's is indeed very low on the current treatment. So far, it appears that the SVR rate with the new protease inhibitors is showing higher. But, they said the same thing to me when I started treatment in 2004 with the conventional meds. I am praying that those figures will hold and that they are somewhat true for 1a's or 1b's. Remember, when they quote those %'s, they are including the other most common genotype - 3's, at the very least.Ron, hats off to you for going to battle 3 times with treatment. I say that I don't think I could possibly do it again after this past year and thank heavens it doesn't appear I will have

to. But, I only traded that for the cancer battle now. Yup, I'm going to fight that with everything I've got in me too, as I am sure not ready to call it quits. Thank heavens that I am covered by Canadian medical. I may need to put out some $$$ for medications for a little while; but, never for any one of these Dr's I see or tests that I have to have done. For me, money is not an issue since we are covered up here. However, there are a lot of medications that have not passed a certain seal of approval with our Pharmacare and yet are the best. So, a person has that decision to make - do I get the ones that don't work so well because they'll cost me nothing or should I just shell out the money somehow to get the better stuff???Gloria

Hi Ron

This is my opinion only.

I agree with part of what you say.

It may seem that we have no choice due to the limits of available TX for HCV.

The political game is very slow, and possibly crooked.

No doubt the funding does come out of our own pockets one way or the other.

What choice do we all have?

You must remember that serious Medical Research into viruses is still very young.

Its going to take time to find something like a 'one pill, your well' answer.

Alternative medicine has been around a lot longer, but who knows what works there?

Very few actual studies, and 'proof' records exist, but this also is being looked into, bit by bit.

Everyone is guessing, and again its going to take some time.

The Govt may not be funding alternative research much, but independant companys are.

I have read a lot about the usefulness of Milk Thistle, for example.

Antioxidants, vitamin D, stem cells, DNA/RNA, etc.

There is a lot on diet too.

More is comming everyday, regaurdless of what the Govt/big Pharm does.

The 'freedom of choice' does exist, for the most part.

You, or anyone, is free to choose conventional TX, or alternative TX, or both.

In this group, we try to allow everyone to voice their protocal, about whatever they choose.

We need to know what works, so we too can possibly cure.

If you have a real answer for a HCV cure, we would all love to hear about it, no doubt.

Meantime, please keep in mind that thousands of people have reached SVR using the conventional TX.

True sadly some havent.

The same can possibly be said, I think, for alternative TX methods.

We all need to have a bit of hope Ron, and so far there is hope, both with conventional TX, and whats comming down the pipeline.

There is hope from alternative methods too.

I, for one, need to believe that one day I will be cured, and seek answers.

I choose to think positive about all the possibilitys, because thinking negative destroys my hope, and that can kill.

I dont want to die.

In my own belief, diet/lifestyle is step one towards a better, healthier life.

Step two is research, and talking to one another. Knowledge.

Then we can each decide on step three.

NEVER give up hope, my friend.

love

don in ks

From: Ron <bucamanrocketmail (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] Re: Monkey Business Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 7:34 AM

This is why you don't see much of me anymore in most of these forums.There is NO HEALTH FREEDOM in the USA. Freedom means the choice to choose your own therapy, without the FDA and the AMA deciding for you what is "approved" for use. This of course, means all expenses come directly from you own pocket, since insurance companies and Big Pharma own the FDA.99% of all FDA and Big Pharma studies include the brutal useless combo + whatever cocktail they choose to add to it. This particular one takes a completely different approach using DNA.But you can bet, it'll never see the light of day.We have this big never ending debate with all the DC politicians (all of whom are beholding to the drug companies) and there is no mention of alternative treatments. None, zippo, nada!People, if you are 1a or 1b, start taking control over your own health, don't rely on big brother.RocketRon> > > From: Ron <bucaman@...>> Subject: [ ] Monkey Business> > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kvue. com/news/ state/Texas- scientists- hail-hepatitis- C-breakthrough- 78684627. html> > don't hold your breath, the FDA will show us there is no health freedom in the USA, once again

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Hi Gloria,

Fill me in. I take it so far you've reached SVR for how many months? That's

great. But you now have been diagnosed with liver cancer? That's a shame.

Things I can recommend : get Suzanne Somers' book " Knockout " , best book on

cancer alternative and alternative/conventional together book I've read, she

really did her homework and there are several things you can do just from

reading her book. None of us likely has the $ to see the doctors she interviews,

but get the book.

A nutritionist who works with my alternative doc swears by the supplement

" graviola " , says it cured one of his cancer patients. I bought some from Swanson

($19), but since I haven't been diagnosed with cancer yet, it sits in my stash.

You have to give up some sups to take it, so...

I take chlorella to stay a step ahead of the devil, get my glutathione drips

along with Vit C drips, and alternate those with ozone therapy. Plus all the

other sups - far to numerous to mention, so I spread them out. Put them in a

tackle box, take as much as I feel like and drown them with organic veggies and

fruit from my juicer. Occasionally I do the liver cleanse. Gotten off track with

my diet and exercise lately, but ready to get back on it (after the Saints take

care of business Sunday). My number one goal is to keep the status quo, maybe

improve on it, but mostly avoid the big " C " .

I don't know how many times I did treatment, my guess is 5 or 6 full TXs -

totalling altogether 8 or 9 years. But it's been well over 5 years since I

jumped off the merry-go-round.

My New Year's resolution was to spend less time on these forums and dwelling so

much on the disease, and enjoying life more. But I still check in from time to

time in hopes there is a real breakthrough. Plus I do care about the friends

I've met along the way. More songwriting, less cable news, more time with my

lovely wife, less time on Hep C talk, etc.

But it has to be a real different approach, no more interferon/ribiviron. We're

just a bunch of old hippies to the establishment. Besides if the American Health

industry really cared about curing people, we wouldn't be having a 'war on

cancer' that has lasted longer than the 'war on drugs'. No money in a cure, just

treating the symptoms. I am not pessimistic, just realistic. I no longer believe

in killing the virus, but I do believe in keeping the liver and rest of the body

so immune rich that the virus can't replicate.

I'll check in from time to time, but Gloria, do please bring me up to date with

your situation. , you're a real jewel for keeping this forum going, and

maybe I'm missing something here, but last time I checked in you had not tried

Tx. So until you stick that poison in your body and feel the brutality of it,

don't get sucked in by all the Pharma hype. The trials always start on a

cheerful note, then dwindle as time passes by. But for those it worked on " God

Bless You " , you earned it.

RocketRon

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Hi Ron

I am trying to be as informed as I can be.

Everyone here is my teacher, over an above my own research.

Your right, I havent yet had the pleasure of TX, but I know from all of you that have, that it is no joy ride.

I am not looking forward to my day, and trying to hold it off for as long as possible.

One of the things each of you will hear me say often is 'watch your diet'.

We are what we eat, and what we eat, makes or breaks our bodies.

Kat thinks we can co-exist with HCV.

Im not sure about that one, but I want to believe in that possibility.

But, also, I am not opposed to TX if my body needs that path.

God knows I wish there was an easy answer for all of us.

All I can do is keep watching the pipeline, and pushing hope.

Gloria and Pam reached SVR on my watch.

One with the old I/R TX, and one with the new 3D TX.

This is exciting and instills hope in me, for me, and for everyone too.

Im sorry if I get too optimistic, but I cant help it.

I am scrambling for positive answers just like everyone else.

Please dont be too far away Ron.

We all need to hear what you have to say.

Its important.

love

don in ks

From: Ron <bucaman@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Monkey Business Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:36 PM

Hi Gloria,Fill me in. I take it so far you've reached SVR for how many months? That's great. But you now have been diagnosed with liver cancer? That's a shame. Things I can recommend : get Suzanne Somers' book "Knockout", best book on cancer alternative and alternative/conventional together book I've read, she really did her homework and there are several things you can do just from reading her book. None of us likely has the $ to see the doctors she interviews, but get the book. A nutritionist who works with my alternative doc swears by the supplement "graviola", says it cured one of his cancer patients. I bought some from Swanson ($19), but since I haven't been diagnosed with cancer yet, it sits in my stash. You have to give up some sups to take it, so... I take chlorella to stay a step ahead of the devil, get my glutathione drips along with Vit C drips, and alternate those with ozone therapy. Plus all the other

sups - far to numerous to mention, so I spread them out. Put them in a tackle box, take as much as I feel like and drown them with organic veggies and fruit from my juicer. Occasionally I do the liver cleanse. Gotten off track with my diet and exercise lately, but ready to get back on it (after the Saints take care of business Sunday). My number one goal is to keep the status quo, maybe improve on it, but mostly avoid the big "C".I don't know how many times I did treatment, my guess is 5 or 6 full TXs - totalling altogether 8 or 9 years. But it's been well over 5 years since I jumped off the merry-go-round. My New Year's resolution was to spend less time on these forums and dwelling so much on the disease, and enjoying life more. But I still check in from time to time in hopes there is a real breakthrough. Plus I do care about the friends I've met along the way. More songwriting, less cable news, more time with my lovely wife, less time

on Hep C talk, etc. But it has to be a real different approach, no more interferon/ribiviron. We're just a bunch of old hippies to the establishment. Besides if the American Health industry really cared about curing people, we wouldn't be having a 'war on cancer' that has lasted longer than the 'war on drugs'. No money in a cure, just treating the symptoms. I am not pessimistic, just realistic. I no longer believe in killing the virus, but I do believe in keeping the liver and rest of the body so immune rich that the virus can't replicate. I'll check in from time to time, but Gloria, do please bring me up to date with your situation. , you're a real jewel for keeping this forum going, and maybe I'm missing something here, but last time I checked in you had not tried Tx. So until you stick that poison in your body and feel the brutality of it, don't get sucked in by all the Pharma hype. The trials always start on a cheerful note,

then dwindle as time passes by. But for those it worked on "God Bless You", you earned it.RocketRon> >> > >> > >> From: Ron <bucaman@>> >> Subject:

[ ] Monkey Business> >> > >> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 8:30 PM> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.kvue. com/news/ state/Texas- scientists- hail-hepatitis- C-breakthrough- 78684627. html> >> > >> don't hold your breath, the FDA will show us there is no health freedom in the USA, once again > >> > >> http://Hepatitis Cne wdrugs.blogspot. com/2010/ 01/audionew- hcv-drug- 2010.html> >>> >> >> >> >> >------------ --------- --------- ------>

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