Re: Re: New data on salt and BP

[Guest guest]

While I don't wish to reopen the can of worms regarding caloric availability of

different

macronutrients I remain suspicious of equality of alcohol calories. IMO the

classic " beer belly "

is not caused by beer per se and can be found on many teetotalers who abuse

donuts or

pretty much any food.

No doubt a buildup of central adiposity is caused by a positive energy balance.

I don't

doubt the popular correlation with drinking, for most I suspect the reduced

willpower and impulse control when under the influence of alcohol increases

snacking

on calorically dense and nutritionally poor bar fare. This incremental snacking,

usually late at night is probably significant in driving weight gain.

FWIW body builders and endurance athletes don't consider alcohol an effective

source

of energy or raw material for weight gain.

JR

While I enjoy carbo loading before some big races with beer, it is just a joke

and actually

diminishes performance (dehydration, etc).

-----Original Message-----

From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...]

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:35 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: New data on salt and BP

Hi JW:

Two thoughts occur to me in reference to you comments below. When

you say " developing guts " I take you to mean that they are putting on

weight around the abdomen. If they are putting on weight it suggests

to me that there is only one reason for it. Their caloric intake

exceeds their caloric expenditure. They may be getting a lot of

exercise but they are more than making up for it in caloric intake.

Their putting on weight would also very likely explain the appearance

of hypertension.

Your use of the term " gut " is interesting. There is one way one can

put on a lot of weight without eating a lot of (what passes these

days for) food. Beer contains a lot of calories. One (US) gallon of

beer contains about 1550 of them. I do not know how much, if any,

beer your pals drink - although I can easily imagine they might

retire to the local hostelry for a couple of hours refreshment after

a hard day's work. In any event, each 100 extra calories consumed

per day results in ten pounds of weight gain each year. Might beer

be a factor contributing to their expanding waist measurements?

There is the popular expression 'beer gut', or 'beer belly'. I doubt

there is anything special about it being beer, but rather just the

calories it contains.

Second point, if you are still lifting 85 pound bags of anything on a

regular basis I suggest you consider slowing down. My understanding

is that excessive loads on joints will eventually lead to arthritis,

something you would probably be better off without.

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that, Rodney,

I believe that's the case, but I wonder why in working guys why I see so much of it.

The guts I have observed on manual workers is, for example, my lawn mower man for several years was trim and worked maybe 7 lawns per day. He had done that for some years before I hired him. In spite of the "exercise", I noticed one day he was sitting in his PU "cooling" off from the heat.

He doesn't eat "fast food" meals - too expensive in this area and they aren;t right here anyway.

Then he began to add a "gut",i.e., - his waist size increased, for no apparent reason. I had done that by 1994 without doing manual labor - working in an A/C office. So I have to wonder if we know what this mechanism is exactly?

There are a lot of guys developing this waist size thing, while I have reduced mine to 37-39 inches. Hips 42".

And BTW, an 85# bag of concrete is easy for me to handle. I load the pallet at the sore with 12 bags, then transfer them to the truck, then transfer into the front end loader, then from the loader to the place I set them. I do that for exercise.

And I can work in hot weather. I attribute that solely to cutting back on fats, which of course, lowered calorie intake as well. My calories intake is still 1800 kcals. Only fat restriction and calorie restriction keep me in pretty good shape compared to others.

That gut represents HTN, obesity, probably leading to other bad things. In fact, the only thin guys are a bank clerk and an insurance salesman.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:34 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: New data on salt and BP

Hi JW:Two thoughts occur to me in reference to you comments below. When you say "developing guts" I take you to mean that they are putting on weight around the abdomen. If they are putting on weight it suggests to me that there is only one reason for it. Their caloric intake exceeds their caloric expenditure. They may be getting a lot of exercise but they are more than making up for it in caloric intake.Their putting on weight would also very likely explain the appearance of hypertension.Your use of the term "gut" is interesting. There is one way one can put on a lot of weight without eating a lot of (what passes these days for) food. Beer contains a lot of calories. One (US) gallon of beer contains about 1550 of them. I do not know how much, if any, beer your pals drink - although I can easily imagine they might retire to the local hostelry for a couple of hours refreshment after a hard day's work. In any event, each 100 extra calories consumed per day results in ten pounds of weight gain each year. Might beer be a factor contributing to their expanding waist measurements? There is the popular expression 'beer gut', or 'beer belly'. I doubt there is anything special about it being beer, but rather just the calories it contains.Second point, if you are still lifting 85 pound bags of anything on a regular basis I suggest you consider slowing down. My understanding is that excessive loads on joints will eventually lead to arthritis, something you would probably be better off without.Rodney.> ................... which just happens to be of major interest to > me, since every adult male in my community is getting HTN. Guys I'm > working with right now (on our dam), even young guys (20's), are > developing "guts", doing manual labor. I pick up 85# bags of > concrete mix and hand them to another guy that can't keep up with > me and they weigh 50 - 70 # more. I'm the oldest guy. Why doesn't > manual labor equate to "exercise"? From my experience, manual > labor tends to add weight and raise BP.> > Regards.