Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Al -- This is fascinating and a bit elusive for someone who left chemistry behind many moons ago. Please help me with this bit of terminology that seems to occur in various discussions of DNA / RNA / genes / etc. " Codes for " : can you give me an equivalent expression or translate this into lay terms? " Codes " is usually not used as a verb. Does it mean " expresses " ? I don't think so. Would be extremely helpful if you could parse and translate into lay terms this phrase: " 13q14 DNA region codes for miRNAs, " . Perhaps, does it mean " produces " ? Clearly it is part of the model for talking about these DNA/RNA/genetic bits, but would be great if you could open us this window for us as I think what you have provided is extremely valuable. I'd also love if you could provide a good reference to get up to speed on the terminology. I did find a " DNA for dummies " website, but it, too, immediately dropped into the " codes for " lingo with no explanation of how that phrase fits into the model. Thanks !! Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 At 12:13 AM 1/14/2011, lynnb65 wrote: >various discussions of DNA / RNA / genes / etc. " Codes for " : can you >give me an equivalent expression or translate this into lay terms? > " 13q14 DNA region codes for miRNAs, " . Perhaps, does it mean " produces " ? Generally speaking, yes, DNA molecules (with the aid of enzymes and other factors) do produce RNA molecules. Exactly what those RNA molecules look like is dependent on what the DNA molecules (from which they are produced) look like. The nature of what the DNA molecules look like is described as a code, and, as a result, specific DNA molecules with specific components are described as coding for specific RNA molecules. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA SNIP............ " DNA is often compared to a set of blueprints, like a recipe or a code, since it contains the instructions needed to construct other components of cells, such as proteins and RNA molecules. " Al Janski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Links to the " References " discussed are at the end of this post. Re: [] Feed back loops in CLL ~ JAMA At 06:59 PM 1/6/2011, cllcanada wrote: >JAMA Scientific Paper: ><http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/305/1/59.short>http://jama.ama-assn.org/conte\ nt/305/1/59.short > " The recurring deletion hot spots at 13q, 11q, and 17p actually >represent nodes of a complex regulatory network in CLL that >integrates the miR-15a/miR-16-1 and miR-34b/miR-34c clusters with >TP53, " dorf and concluded in JAMA. The new insights contained in this JAMA paper will likely enable new understandings that could substantially accelerate progress for better care for CLL. It is significant that the co-authors of this research include many of the leading CLL specialists/researchers (Drs. Calin, Croce, Keating, Kay, Rai, Kipps, etc.) The detailed observations and analyses contained in this paper 'connect a lot of dots' [in the story of differential prognoses associated with deletions in 13q vs. 11q vs. 17p chromosomal regions in CLL cells] which had seemed biochemically unrelated. Included (below) are some 'snips' from the paper and associated editorial (summarizing the key observations of the paper). Unfortunately, the full-text scientific paper and editorial are not freely available. A. Key Observations: By making a list of the paper's key observations, one can create (draw) lines between these previously unconnected dots associated with the13q, 11q, and 17p nodes of the regulatory network taking place 'within' CLL cells. Below is list, organized by the gene (DNA) region at which RNAs are coded, which, either, in the case of micro-RNAs (i.e. miRNAs), directly have effects themselves or, in the case of messenger RNAs (mRNAs), code for proteins that have effects. 1. 13q14 DNA region codes for miRNAs, miR-15a & miR-16-1 (abbreviated as " miR15a/16-1 " ). a. miR15a/16-1 inhibits production of TP53 protein (and thus inhibits apoptosis of CLL cells) by inhibiting its expression from TP53 mRNA. b. miR15a/16-1 inhibits production of Bcl-2 protein (and thus increases apoptosis) by binding to Bcl-2 mRNA. c. miR15a/16-1 inhibits production of Mcl-1 protein (and thus increases apoptosis) by binding to Mcl-1 mRNA. 2. 17p13 DNA region codes for TP53 mRNA, which codes for TP53 protein, which promotes apoptosis a. TP53 increases transcription of miR15a/16-1, which reduces TP53 (an example of a " feedback loop " , a common characteristic of most biochemical pathways) b. TP53 increases transcription of miR-34a, miR-34b & miR-34c NOTE: In the JAMA paper 'italicized' TP53 depicts the TP53 gene, whereas non-italicized TP53 refers to the TP53 protein. In this posting, " TP53 " alone refers to TP53 protein. 3. 11q23 DNA region codes for the miRNAs miR-34a, miR-34b & miR-34c, with the latter two (miR-34b/c) having similar effects. a. miR-34b/c inhibits production of ZAP70 (and thus increases apoptosis) as a result of its binding to ZAP70 mRNA b. miR-34a increases activity of TP53 (and thus increases apoptosis) by inhibiting SIRT-1 catalyzed deacetylation of TP53, increasing the amount of the more active acetylated form of TP53. 4. 2q11 DNA region codes for ZAP70, which inhibits apoptosis 5. 18q21 DNA region codes for Bcl-2, which inhibits apoptosis 6. 1q21 DNA region codes for Mcl-1, which inhibits apoptosis These observations (and their connections) were graphically displayed in Fig. 6 of the JAMA paper, but I found that drawing my own picture made this easier to visually grasp. To better see the interconnections between these 6 gene loci, I drew a hexagon, with each of the 6 above gene regions represented as one side of the hexagon. Because each of the gene products can be considered in the context of their ultimate effects (increase or decrease) on apoptosis in CLL cells, in the center of this hexagon, I drew a box around the word " APOPTOSIS " . NOTE: Other processes, such as CLL cell proliferation, are probably also affected by these mechanisms, but the model presented in Fig. 6 of the paper focused on apoptosis. For example, one side of the hexagon is 13q14 DNA region, and from that side I drew an arrow (within the hexagon) to its 'transcribed' gene products, miR15a & miR16-1. Each of the other 5 sides are represented by one of the remaining 5 gene regions (listed above) and similar arrows from each gene to its specific transcribed mRNA. In the case of chromosomal region 17p13, I drew an arrow to TP53 mRNA and an arrow from there to TP53 protein (the product of transcription of TP53 mRNA) and an arrow from TP53 to the APOPTOSIS box with the word " increases " above the arrow. And so on....... NOTE: A hexagon best depicts the discussion with this JAMA paper; however, a complete picture of 'intracellular' CLL regulation would require many more sides, with the additional sides representing other important genetic loci, some of which are beginning to be understood, some of which are yet to be discovered. A picture that includes both intracellular regulators and extracellular regulators (e.g. via stromal cells), would be even more complicated (see item F, below). B. New Understandings from this Research about the 13q-11q-17p Interface: Using such a diagram of interconnected effects of the 'active' gene products (miRNAs or proteins), one can begin to visually understand some the impacts of chromosomal deletions (in 13q, 11q & 17p regions), or to ask better questions about impacts that can not yet be understood. For example, given that miR15a/16-1 decreases production of TP53 (which 'decreases' apoptosis) as well as decreases production of Bcl-2 (which 'increases' apoptosis), is the ultimate overall effect of miR15a/16-1 to increase or decrease apoptosis? The answer at least partially depends on what's going on at 11q. And what's going on at 11q (e.g. with or without a deletion) can vary for different genetic clones of CLL cells within a given patient. Specifically, TP53 increases production of miR-34b/miR-34c (coded by 11q), which in turn (1) inhibits production of ZAP70 protein (which inhibits apoptosis), as well as (2) increasing the pro-apoptotic 'activity' of TP53 by increasing its acetylation (without changing the amount of TP53 protein). Patients having a 13q deletion (of the gene for miR15a/16-1), with no other genetic abnormalities in CLL cells, is associated with better prognoses (than with no 13q deletions), implying increased apoptosis of CLL cells prevails in patients 'on average' in the 13q deletion scenario. However, the mechanisms by which apoptosis prevails involves what's going on at all three chomosomal regions. The Editorial summarized this: " Although deletion of the miR-15/miR-16 locus at 13q relieves BCL2 repression and promotes an antiapoptotic phenotype, it additionally augments TP53 expression, miR-34b/miR-34c cluster activation, and ultimately ZAP70 suppression. To that end, the benefits experienced by patients with a 13q deletion may reflect the capacity for greater restraint on ZAP70 expression and its downstream targets, including the antiapoptotic Akt and ERK pathways. Conversely, the poor outcomes associated with an 11q deletion are likely a manifestation of dampening the TP53-mediated miR-34b/miR-34c inhibition of ZAP70. " In a related perspective on the biochemical nature of indolent CLL, Wednesday's Science Daily article (link below) indicates: " With 13q deletions, miR-15a and miR16-1 are reduced or absent, which allows for increased expression of TP53. This further activates miR-34b and miR-34a, resulting in greater inhibition of Zap70. That's the good part. With miR-15a and 16-1 gone, expression of the two genes that suppress programmed cell death, BCL2 and MCL1, increases, which allows more aberrant cells to form and grow. While this effect causes slow-growing CLL, the counterweight of suppressed ZAP70 keeps it from getting worse, Calin said. " From this perspective, one can better understand how there can be a wide array of differences in whether and how fast disease progression will occur in different patients with 13q deletions and indolent CLL. The balance between increased Bcl-2/Mcl-1 vs. decreased ZAP70 can remain stable or be altered, depending on other factors (known or unknown) affecting either side of that balance. Clearly, the continued formation/growth of new CLL cells increases the potential for development of new clones of CLL, some of which may contain more aggressive traits (e.g. 17p or 11q deletions). C. Homozygous vs. Heterozygous 13q Deletions: One of the differences between patients with 13q deletions is whether a 13q deletion is a deletion in one or both DNA strands of the 13q region. When a deletion occurs in only one strand, miR-15/miR-16 can continue to be expressed from the other strand. As such, one would expect that levels of miR-15/miR-16 in CLL cells with no 13q deletions (or any other deletions, i.e. " normal cytogenetics " ) would be higher than its expression in CLL cells with deletions in one strand ( " heterozygous " or " monoallelic " deletions), which, in turn, would have higher levels of miR-15/miR-16 than CLL cells with deletions in both strands ( " homozygous " or " biallelic " deletions) of DNA in the 13q region. And that is what the authors observed and reported in this JAMA paper. Similarly, because decreased miR-15/miR-16 causes increased TP53, one would expect that levels of TP53 would be lower in CLL cells with normal cytogenetics than CLL cells with heterozygous 13q deletions, which, in turn, would be expected to have lower levels of TP53 than CLL cells with homozygous 13q deletions. And that is what the authors observed. Recently, it has been reported (H et al., Dec2010, reference below) that CLL patients with 13q deletions outside of the minimally deleted region (MDR) have a worse clinical outcome than patients with deletions within the MDR region. The " minimally deleted region " is defined as the smallest deleted region shared in all patients with 13q deletions. This JAMA paper did not report results for CLL cells with deletions larger than MDR vs. CLL cells with deletions within the MDR regions. However, that assessment would be an interesting follow-up study. D. CLL cells with 13q And 17p Deletions: Although the negative effects of 17p deletions seem to dominate any positive effects of 13q deletions, in some studies, patients having both 13q and 17p deletions have been reported to have a better prognosis than patients with only 17p deletions. In that context, the authors state (in the eComments of the JAMA paper) that: " ....we believe that in CLL patients with the concomitant 13q and 17p deletions, the 13q deletion unlocks the residual TP53 from the inhibitory effects of the miR-15a/16-1 cluster, which could explain why their prognosis is better than that of patients with the 17p deletion alone. " E. Other Regulatory miRNAs: The authors acknowledge that other, yet to be discovered, miRNAs exist that are important in regulation of CLL cells, and additional regulatory miRNAs could be coded for by chromosomal regions other than (or including) the 6 chromosomal regions listed above. F. Impacts of Stromal Microenvironments Finally, " the Elephant waiting 'outside' of the room " , i.e. regulation by microenvironment stromal cells: To have achieved these important new understandings inherent in this JAMA paper, I believe it was necessary to conduct the experiments as they were done on isolated CLL cells, in the absence of the complicating biochemical realities associated with the in vivo pathogenic proliferation centers. In response to biochemical signals from the CLL cells, stromal cells within these microenvironments of proliferation are altered, which in turn stimulates (or destimulates) the stromal cells to produce biochemical signals, the overall result of which is to alter the tissue environment in ways that better enable CLL cells to survive and proliferate. As so often has happened with promising therapeutic ideas gleaned from studies of isolated CLL cells, these CLL cell alterations of in vivo stromal environments' have biochemically trumped and negated that promise. Clearly, one of the next steps is to ask scientific questions about how this miRNA/TP53 circuitry within CLL cells (indolent vs. aggressive clones) is affected by factors, cells, environments (e.g. oxygen levels, nutrient levels) that simulate those of in vivo environments. When it comes time to draw a diagram that includes these impacts of the stroma, it will be more important to add a box enclosing the word " PROLIFERATION " . G. New Kinase Inhibitors The good news is that therapeutic agents are being reported to be effective for CLL by over-riding the protective effects of the stromal environments. These agents include R406 (a spleen tyrosine kinase inhibitor, Syk inhibitor), CAL-101 (a phosphoinositide 3'-kinase inhibitor, PI3K inhibitor), PCI-32765 (a Bruton's tyrosine kinase Inhibitor), etc. Links to the associated kinase inhibitor research are below. REFERENCES: 1. Science Daily News Article (Jan. 12, 2011): http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110107150604.htm 2. Medpage News Article (Jan. 5, 2011): <http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/Leukemia/24186>http://www.medpag\ etoday.com/HematologyOncology/Leukemia/24186 3. JAMA Editorial: " Unraveling the Molecular Pathogenesis of Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia: Dissecting a MicroRNA Regulatory Network " ; JAMA. 2011;305(1):95-97. doi: 10.1001/jama.2010.1940 http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/305/1/95.extract 4. JAMA Scientific Paper: Abstract " Association of a MicroRNA/TP53 Feedback Circuitry With Pathogenesis and Outcome of B-Cell Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia " ; JAMA. 2011;305(1):59-67. doi: 10.1001/jama.2010.1919 <http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/305/1/59.short>http://jama.ama-assn.org/conten\ t/305/1/59.short 5. " 13q deletion anatomy and disease progression in patients with chronic lymphocytic leukemia " ; H et al.; Leukemia advance online publication, 10 December 2010; doi:10.1038/leu.2010.288 http://www.nature.com/leu/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/leu2010288a.html 6. " Phosphoinositide 3-Kinase (PI3K) Delta Inhibition with CAL-101 Blocks B-cell Receptor (BCR) Signaling and the Prosurvival Actions of Nurselike cells (NLC), in Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia " ; 52nd American Society of Hematology (ASH) Annual Meeting, Dec. 4-7, 2010 View Presentation at: http://tinyurl.com/6yz6skh 7. " Brutons Tyrosine Kinase Inhibitor PCI-32765 Abrogates BCR- and Nurselike Cell-Derived Activation of CLL Cells In Vitro and In Vivo " ; 52nd American Society of Hematology (ASH) Annual Meeting, Dec. 4-7, 2010 View Presentation at: http://tinyurl.com/46hxa2p 8. " Spleen tyrosine kinase inhibition prevents chemokine- and integrin-mediated stromal protective effects in chronic lymphocytic leukemia " ; Blood, 3 June 2010, Vol. 115, No. 22, pp. 4497-4506. http://bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/cgi/content/abstract/115/22/4497 Al Janski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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