Re: PCRM

[Guest guest]

I started to write a review of that:

http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/vsk/VSK1.html

But it would take too long and too many pages.

Although I share the idea that a mostly vegetarian diet is good for me now, I could never post those statements as facts.

If you read all the vegetarian diet articles in medline, you get the idea they're good, but there is one that says switching after 35yo, as I recall, doesn't convey the same benefits as being raised on a vegetarian diet.

Also, I couldn't separate the effects of losing weight, versus eating diff food. Perhaps CR accomplishes that.

Logically, I don't think anyone can say we will have better health or live longer unless maybe we started at 2 yo.

I can't do that.

Maybe I can just add a lot of veggies without modifying the animal protein intake?

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: citpeks

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:13 AM

Subject: [ ] PCRM

PCRM advocates a vegan diet: http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/vsk/VSK1.html"A vegetarian menu is a powerful and pleasurable way to achieve goodhealth. The vegetarian eating pattern is based on a wide variety offoods that are satisfying, delicious, and healthful. Vegetarians avoidmeat, fish, and poultry. Those who include dairy products and eggs intheir diets are called lacto-ovo vegetarians. Vegans (purevegetarians) eat no meat, fish, poultry, eggs, or dairy products.While there is a considerable advantage to a lacto-ovo vegetarianpattern, vegan diets are the healthiest of all, reducing risk of abroad range of health concerns."

[Guest guest]

Food for thought...

The problem with the term vegetarian or vegan as it relates to diet and health is that it doesnt convey any imformation about what someone eats. It only tells you what they dont eat, and doesnt do that very well either.

A vegetarian, depending on how they define it and/or interpret it, may or may not eat cheese, eggs, dairy, chicken, fish, meat, etc. And a Vegan is not supposed to eat any animal products.

Either one of those criteria can be meet without eating a healthy diet.

If I can find it, I will post it here, but I once had this discussion with the top vegetarian scientists about his and how they promotion of vegetarianism is really self defeating if they are trying to promote it as a healthy way to eat/live. The reason is, on one hand, a healthy diet is clearly one that is "based" on eating much much more whole unrefined plant foods, and a vegetarian/vegan diet sounds like it is based on eating more plant foods or could be. However, on the other hand, one could easily be a junk food vegan. This is why I never once liked the label of either one though I followed a vegetarian/vegan diet for over 30 years. I always liked the word plant based as while there is lots of evidence that a plant based diet is healthier, I dont know of any evidence that a "vegan" or "vegetarian" diet is ideal, let alone what either term means.

Regardjeff

[Guest guest]

If I had it to do over I would have switched years ago, 1980, age 45 perhaps. About that time several of my coworkers had died and I was getting more health conscious but a veggie diet never entered my mind. I had looked at diets, but I was in good shape, felt good, and never any thought of HTN. About 88, a female coworker was switching but it wasn't something so well defined as now - no Ornish, eg, no Inet. And it sounded like "beans and rice" was the extent of the knowledge.

I recall TVP, but no soy protein isolate.

Anyway I was a busy guy and I needed eggs for breakfast to get me thru lunch.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff Novick

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:02 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] PCRM

Food for thought...

The problem with the term vegetarian or vegan as it relates to diet and health is that it doesnt convey any imformation about what someone eats. It only tells you what they dont eat, and doesnt do that very well either.

A vegetarian, depending on how they define it and/or interpret it, may or may not eat cheese, eggs, dairy, chicken, fish, meat, etc. And a Vegan is not supposed to eat any animal products.

Either one of those criteria can be meet without eating a healthy diet.

If I can find it, I will post it here, but I once had this discussion with the top vegetarian scientists about his and how they promotion of vegetarianism is really self defeating if they are trying to promote it as a healthy way to eat/live. The reason is, on one hand, a healthy diet is clearly one that is "based" on eating much much more whole unrefined plant foods, and a vegetarian/vegan diet sounds like it is based on eating more plant foods or could be. However, on the other hand, one could easily be a junk food vegan. This is why I never once liked the label of either one though I followed a vegetarian/vegan diet for over 30 years. I always liked the word plant based as while there is lots of evidence that a plant based diet is healthier, I dont know of any evidence that a "vegan" or "vegetarian" diet is ideal, let alone what either term means.

Regardjeff