Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Hello all, I'm just beginning CRON, and have recently joined this group. I believe I understand how CRON is properly practiced, but there are details that still are unclear. I wish to undertake 30% CR. So, I need to be able to calculate how many calories daily I should be consuming on 30% CR, after a gradual weight loss period. Now, my understanding of how to go about doing this is the following, so please correct me if I'm wrong: 1) Identify " set point " body weight. 2) Calculate (or, ideally, test) basal metabolic rate (also known as basal energy expenditure, BEE, or BMR) for maintenance of this " set point " body weight. 3) Multiply the " set point " BMR calorie amount by some " activity level " coefficient. 1.2 seems to be the agreed coefficient for a completely sedentary person, with higher coefficient for a higher level of activity. 4) Subtract the desired CR% (in this case, 30%) from the final calorie total (BMR x activity_coefficient). So, for example, if the calorie total in (3) was 2000 Kcal, 30% CR would lead to 2000 Kcal - (2000 Kcal x 0.3), or 1400 Kcal. This leads me to several questions: How does one go about objectively determining one's " set point " ? I know the definition, that it's the weight that one gravitates towards, or something like that. The thing is, I really don't think I can use my past weight as an example, as it has often fluctuated, rarely staying in one place for very long. I never used to keep track of my weight, so I can't even really determine a rough average. IS there a way to objectively determine or measure one's " set point " ? I do not believe I am significantly different from the " average " person of my height (76.5 " ) in terms of weight or metabolism... is there any such thing as an " average set point " calculation or chart for height / body frame / gender / etc.? What is the relation between " set point " and the term " ideal body weight " (given by various equations, one example being the " Hamwi " equation)... and how often, if ever, are these equivalent? The question of objectively determing " set point " is important to me. How did they calculate this for rodents of varying strains? In fact, on a broader note, how do the CR%'s of " 30% " or " 40% " get calculated exactly for these rodent populations? Regarding activity level and CR, is it accurate for me to conclude that one should restrict activity to a minimum necessary to ensure quality of life, cardiovascular health, and retention of adequate muscle mass, if one intends to gain the maximum life extension benefits of CRON? As stated by Dr. Walford, exercise has been shown to improve health and increase average life span with a more than moderate level of probability, but only CRON has been shown to improve maximum life span with a high level of probability (at least in all species tested to date). This leads me to conclude that the lower the activity level (to a certain reasonable minimum) the better, as lower activity levels would lead to lower caloric requirements, and hence to greater CR. What is the typical activity level of the rodents used in CR studies? Is there any rough formula, derived from the numerous animal studies, that would provide an estimate of the percent increase in maximum life span for adult onset CRON, given the age when CRON is initiated, and the CR%? Or does this vary too much between species to be possible to estimate for humans? Is there a maximum CR% beyond which most organisms simply die? I had read that this was 50%, but I recently saw a chart on calorierestriction.org that showed maximum life span increases at as high as 65% CR. Is the healthy maximum CR% different for adult onset CR than for CR initiated not long after the time of birth? In addition to the above practical general questions, my personal situation is that I am vegan (for ethical reasons), and a diabetic. I consume, for health reasons, a diet which consists of no more than 25% calories from fat (and no less than my minimum requirements), no more than 16% calories from carbohydrates (the less the better), with the bulk of calories derived from protein. In addition, I follow an aggressive vitamin and mineral supplementation program, and consume daily low-calorie nutrient-dense shakes consisting of isolated soy or whey protein, a " greens " powder composed of the powdered extracts of various fruits, vegetables and other whole foods, and the addition of additional soluable fiber. I drink plenty of alkaline (9.5 pH) water daily, in addition to consuming whole foods and tea, to maintain healthy pH levels given the (most probably) increased acidity resulting from my primarily protein diet. I'm dedicated to following a CRON plan to increase my health, well-being, and maximum life span, and hopefully live to see technologies that can make aging and involuntary death things of the past. Are there any guidelines for CRON for diabetics (or, generally, individuals who must maintain extremely low carbohydrate diets), and, specifically, for diabetics wishing to maintain vegan diets? Thanks, MvL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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