Re: Step Two Diet (was Coconut Diet)

[Guest guest]

Hi :

It looks to me (bwdik about diabetes?) that the high mono diet

numbers are wonderful. LDL = 120 and HDL = 95 is a good combination,

and 0.8 triglycerides is good too, is it not - or am I getting

confused with the units?

Certainly there are people here who have been on CR since Noah was a

boy, who have better numbers, but your friend's high mono numbers

must be in the best 3% of the population I would have thought.

Correction welcome.

Rodney.

>

>

> A few weeks ago I mentioned a female friend (2000 cals a day, BMI

> about 18.2, height 5.9, age 42) who had recently got diabetes

> (doctors are not sure which type, but she had bulemia for 25 years,

> her weight low now due to loosing sugars in urine). She tried a low

> fat diet with insulin, then an Atkins style high fat diet without

> insulin and finally a step two diet without insulin but with a high

> fat percentage. The results have come in and are as follows

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> Low Fat with insulin shots diet (20% fat, 25% protein, 55% carbs)

> Summer 2004 (wholegrains, fish, meat, veg)

>

> total cholesterol 4.6 (177) (no break down unfortunately)

> HBA1c 7.2

> triglycerides 1.5

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Atkins (25% protein, 7% carbs, 68% fat) - lots of dairy and meat,

> fish and veg - Autumn 2004

>

> hdl 2.4 (95)

> ldl 4.4 (170)

> total cholesterol 7.2 (280)

> triglycerides 0.8

> HBA1c 6.3 (three month blood sugars)

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> High mono fat Step Two diet (veg, soya, almonds (50g day), walnuts

> (50g day), fatty fish, olive oil, avacados) 25% protein, 68% fat,

7%

> carbs) - Winter 2005

>

> 2.4 HDL (95)

> 3.1 LDL (120)

> total cholesterol 5.8 (225)

> 0.7 trglycerides

> HBA1c 6.4

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

> But what this shows is you can get the 25-30% cholesterol

reduction

> benefits of step two by changing the fats rather than lowering

them.

> But not sure which is the safest diet, lower lipd profile with

> insulin and low fat and higher blood sugars or lower blood sugars,

> no insulin and higher lipid profile ?

>

> reason the insulin shots equated to higher blood sugars is probably

> fear of hypoglycaemic attacks which makes her consume to many

carbs,

> thus blood sugar higher.

>

> These are real figures, she is a real person, I do not lie.

>

>

> richard .......

[Guest guest]

It was interesting to contrast the effect of Atkins and Step Two on

cholesterol. The shift from animal fats to the less saturated fats of

avocado and walnuts seem to have made a difference. It would be

interesting to see if replacing about 2 tablespoons of olive oil with

grapeseed oil which is high in LA would lower total cholesterol

further. Maybe we can get another report in the summer?

Tony

=====

>>>

From: " rwalkerad1970 " <rwalkerad1970@y...>

Date: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:42 pm

Subject: Step Two Diet (was Coconut Diet)

A few weeks ago I mentioned a female friend (2000 cals a day, BMI

about 18.2, height 5.9, age 42) who had recently got diabetes

(doctors are not sure which type, but she had bulemia for 25 years,

her weight low now due to loosing sugars in urine). She tried a low

fat diet with insulin, then an Atkins style high fat diet without

insulin and finally a step two diet without insulin but with a high

fat percentage. The results have come in and are as follows

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Low Fat with insulin shots diet (20% fat, 25% protein, 55% carbs)

Summer 2004 (wholegrains, fish, meat, veg)

total cholesterol 4.6 (177) (no break down unfortunately)

HBA1c 7.2

triglycerides 1.5

--------------------------------------------------------------

Atkins (25% protein, 7% carbs, 68% fat) - lots of dairy and meat,

fish and veg - Autumn 2004

hdl 2.4 (95)

ldl 4.4 (170)

total cholesterol 7.2 (280)

triglycerides 0.8

HBA1c 6.3 (three month blood sugars)

-------------------------------------------------------------------

High mono fat Step Two diet (veg, soya, almonds (50g day), walnuts

(50g day), fatty fish, olive oil, avacados) 25% protein, 68% fat, 7%

carbs) - Winter 2005

2.4 HDL (95)

3.1 LDL (120)

total cholesterol 5.8 (225)

0.7 trglycerides

HBA1c 6.4

------------------------------------------------------------------

But what this shows is you can get the 25-30% cholesterol reduction

benefits of step two by changing the fats rather than lowering them.

But not sure which is the safest diet, lower lipd profile with

insulin and low fat and higher blood sugars or lower blood sugars,

no insulin and higher lipid profile ?

[Guest guest]

One thing I forgot to mention was she purposely restricted the

saturated fat on the high mono diet plan to 16g a day, now her

polyunsaturated fat from walnuts almond etc would have been around

30g so if she was to add say a tablespoon of grapeseed oil each day

would that, based on the Hegsted equation, be expected to give

further blood cholesterol reduction or has she already received the

maximum benefits from Hegsted based on the poly to sat ratio just

mentioned? - she has just over two months to the next blood test

(these results were already a month old but doctor had gone on

holiday so she only got them yesterday), so I think she will be

willing to do a few more poly fats this time round. Her doctor would

like the LDL to get to 100 or less.

thanks .....

It was interesting to contrast the effect of Atkins and Step Two on

cholesterol. The shift from animal fats to the less saturated fats of

avocado and walnuts seem to have made a difference. It would be

interesting to see if replacing about 2 tablespoons of olive oil with

grapeseed oil which is high in LA would lower total cholesterol

further. Maybe we can get another report in the summer?

Tony

=====

>>>

From: " rwalkerad1970 " <rwalkerad1970@y...>

Date: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:42 pm

Subject: Step Two Diet (was Coconut Diet)

A few weeks ago I mentioned a female friend (2000 cals a day, BMI

about 18.2, height 5.9, age 42) who had recently got diabetes

(doctors are not sure which type, but she had bulemia for 25 years,

her weight low now due to loosing sugars in urine). She tried a low

fat diet with insulin, then an Atkins style high fat diet without

insulin and finally a step two diet without insulin but with a high

fat percentage. The results have come in and are as follows

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Low Fat with insulin shots diet (20% fat, 25% protein, 55% carbs)

Summer 2004 (wholegrains, fish, meat, veg)

total cholesterol 4.6 (177) (no break down unfortunately)

HBA1c 7.2

triglycerides 1.5

--------------------------------------------------------------

Atkins (25% protein, 7% carbs, 68% fat) - lots of dairy and meat,

fish and veg - Autumn 2004

hdl 2.4 (95)

ldl 4.4 (170)

total cholesterol 7.2 (280)

triglycerides 0.8

HBA1c 6.3 (three month blood sugars)

-------------------------------------------------------------------

High mono fat Step Two diet (veg, soya, almonds (50g day), walnuts

(50g day), fatty fish, olive oil, avacados) 25% protein, 68% fat, 7%

carbs) - Winter 2005

2.4 HDL (95)

3.1 LDL (120)

total cholesterol 5.8 (225)

0.7 trglycerides

HBA1c 6.4

------------------------------------------------------------------

But what this shows is you can get the 25-30% cholesterol reduction

benefits of step two by changing the fats rather than lowering them.

But not sure which is the safest diet, lower lipd profile with

insulin and low fat and higher blood sugars or lower blood sugars,

no insulin and higher lipid profile ?

[Guest guest]

From the USDA nutrition database, 50g of walnuts (edible portion)

contain 32.6g of fat, but only 19g are LA (C18:2). The olive oil and

avocados will not lower cholesterol. The Hegsted equation calculates

the following effect on cholesterol for these oils at 10% of total

calories (about 2 tablespoons for a 2000-calorie diet):

Grape seed -1195.5

Sunflower -1123.2

Walnut -720.5

Almond -169.5

Avocado -9.9

Olive +88.6

So, replacing almonds with sunflower seeds, and olive oil with

grape seed oil should decrease total cholesterol further without

altering the daily calories. Two months should be long enough to see

a difference.

Tony

====

From: " rwalkerad1970 " <rwalkerad1970@y...>

Date: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:25 am

Subject: Re: Step Two Diet (was Coconut Diet)

One thing I forgot to mention was she purposely restricted the

saturated fat on the high mono diet plan to 16g a day, now her

polyunsaturated fat from walnuts almond etc would have been around

30g so if she was to add say a tablespoon of grapeseed oil each day

would that, based on the Hegsted equation, be expected to give

further blood cholesterol reduction or has she already received the

maximum benefits from Hegsted based on the poly to sat ratio just

mentioned? - she has just over two months to the next blood test

(these results were already a month old but doctor had gone on

holiday so she only got them yesterday), so I think she will be

willing to do a few more poly fats this time round. Her doctor would

like the LDL to get to 100 or less.

thanks .....

===

High mono fat Step Two diet (veg, soya, almonds (50g day), walnuts

(50g day), fatty fish, olive oil, avacados) 25% protein, 68% fat, 7%

carbs) - Winter 2005

2.4 HDL (95)

3.1 LDL (120)

total cholesterol 5.8 (225)

0.7 trglycerides

HBA1c 6.4

[Guest guest]

Thanks for taking the time to look this up Tony, she is not likely

to follow things as closely as you mention, but I think she would be

willing to swap some olive oil for grapseed and replace almonds with

more walnuts or Tahini. So will see what happens in a few months.

.......

From the USDA nutrition database, 50g of walnuts (edible portion)

contain 32.6g of fat, but only 19g are LA (C18:2). The olive oil and

avocados will not lower cholesterol. The Hegsted equation calculates

the following effect on cholesterol for these oils at 10% of total

calories (about 2 tablespoons for a 2000-calorie diet):

Grape seed -1195.5

Sunflower -1123.2

Walnut -720.5

Almond -169.5

Avocado -9.9

Olive +88.6

So, replacing almonds with sunflower seeds, and olive oil with

grape seed oil should decrease total cholesterol further without

altering the daily calories. Two months should be long enough to see

a difference.

Tony

====

From: " rwalkerad1970 " <rwalkerad1970@y...>

Date: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:25 am

Subject: Re: Step Two Diet (was Coconut Diet)

One thing I forgot to mention was she purposely restricted the

saturated fat on the high mono diet plan to 16g a day, now her

polyunsaturated fat from walnuts almond etc would have been around

30g so if she was to add say a tablespoon of grapeseed oil each day

would that, based on the Hegsted equation, be expected to give

further blood cholesterol reduction or has she already received the

maximum benefits from Hegsted based on the poly to sat ratio just

mentioned? - she has just over two months to the next blood test

(these results were already a month old but doctor had gone on

holiday so she only got them yesterday), so I think she will be

willing to do a few more poly fats this time round. Her doctor would

like the LDL to get to 100 or less.

thanks .....

===

High mono fat Step Two diet (veg, soya, almonds (50g day), walnuts

(50g day), fatty fish, olive oil, avacados) 25% protein, 68% fat, 7%

carbs) - Winter 2005

2.4 HDL (95)

3.1 LDL (120)

total cholesterol 5.8 (225)

0.7 trglycerides

HBA1c 6.4