Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 I don't read Elle, preferring the 's Secret catalog, (after all the mags are mostly catalogs, anyway). But the reviews remain the same, AFAIC, by uneducated people who like to write about something. (And a lot of those writers are not small people.) The problem is no one has defined a clear set of rules for determining a CR set point, so each has to find their own. In a world where very little scientific nutrition data exists. If I had to write an engineering specification for a CR diet - forget it. So I'm left with finding a weight/caloric intake that is the least/best for what I do. I noticed another theme this morning, "eat more and exercise less". So the field of nutrition is further confused, yet we have from as far back as 1846, viewpoints that exist even today: vegetarian, low fat diet, rice diet, high fat diet, high carbo diet, et al. The funny thing is these programs all began and existed because people were/are mostly OVERWEIGHT. Not because they are UNDERNOURISHED. That simple fact alone should point to eating less calories. But the desire to eat, stems even from the bible which praises food. Sacrifices were made of food. In lands of plenty, people get fat because they eat too much. Even guys that do manual labor get fat. Add to that the mfgrs desire to sell more product and the ability to design a medical "test" to show whatever you want it to show and you have total confusion in the general public. The general public will say "I'll wait till they get it perfected". In the case of nutrition, that may have been a thousand years. So how do we handle bad publicity? For one, there is no such thing. Second why do we care? Why get involved? In several of these public offerings, I've seen no benefits, no new knowledge coming from the experts, just the Jane Fonda's who criticize but offer no solutions. What it does do is load up the groups with a few newbies, but moreso people offering to sell their old ideas. In a recent trip to a natural food store, I noticed a shxxload of books, on every diet imaginable, and not a single copy of Ornish (or Pritikin). Write a new book - make money. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Walford crsociety@... Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: [ ] Elle magazine Elle Magazine article Are we on a starvation diet? The title of the article. Here we go again. This month's Elle magazine (just on the newstands, June) features an article by Joe Hooper: Metabolic Magic: Exercise Less, Live Longer, and then titled (heard this before) The Starvation Diet. I want to be the first to disclose the other side of the conversation, what did not make it into the article, and to apologize (blush) for letting Joe pull the heating pad statement out of me! On the whole it is an interesting article, certainly well written, but he did not include any of the pro-Cr effects on my energy levels, stamina, and general sense of well being. Nor did they include my picture, which was a great selling point (lean but strong), instead, they photographed a string bean, 3 peas, and an anchovy on a plate. Anyway, we have been down this path before, I am sure I never said "I don't consume enough calories for that." Meaning to run for exercise. I simply prefer other forms of exercise. This article quotes Luigi Fontana on CR:"These are educated, professional people," he says, "and they had enough energy to do things like run companies." He admits that CR practioners' lower levels of sex hormones are an area of potential concern, and that CR extreme enough to interfere with a woman's menstrual cycle is an invitation to trouble. (the article continues:) However, if CR is not withouth risk, aerobic exercise doesn't rate an entirely clean bill of health either.<< It is an interesting comparison between the detremental effects of oxidative stress on marathon athletes vs a sound cardiovascular program of running and the side-effects of CR vs the metabolic shift (or whatever mechanism it is that is operational in us, the CR on-switch) that appears to give us an edge. The article mentions CR-lite, and that Fontana and Leeuwenburgh both are hopefull that "moderate forms of the practice may confer real health benefits and help us side-step most of the negative side effects. So that is the jist of my story, it closes with Joe asking me where I expect to be in 2075? "I don't know what I'm dong three years from now." she says. It makes me sound rather like an air head, and leaves out the history that Roy just passed away and that I am now reshaping my life. Those interviewers did it again! But it makes for a good story. I wanted you all to hear my side before discussion on the article begins in this group.. Walford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Hi JW: That is a very good point. " You can lead a horse to water ............... " . People who have knowedge of things like CRON can try to send a message. But if that message is ignored. If it is (in effect) ridiculed. If those on the receiving end of it do not care enough about their health to make a little effort to find out the facts for themselves and then do something .................. then why should the experts, and us here, care? I truly do not think that people are somehow morally obligated to make monumental efforts to persuade people who do not care. Do what can be done to provide access to the information. Get a few headlines to make sure they have been on the receiving end of the message. Then, if they ignore it, that is their privilege. Of course, for the vast majority of the nutritional advice that is available, one is much better off ignoring it. Rodney. --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...> wrote: > So how do we handle bad publicity? ............ why do we care? Why get involved? In several of these public offerings, I've seen no benefits, no new knowledge coming from the experts, just the Jane Fonda's who criticize but offer no solutions. > > What it does do is load up the groups with a few newbies, but moreso people offering to sell their old ideas. In a recent trip to a natural food store, I noticed a shxxload of books, on every diet imaginable, and not a single copy of Ornish (or Pritikin). > > Write a new book - make money. > > Regards. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Walford > crsociety@L... > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:46 PM > Subject: [ ] Elle magazine > > > Elle Magazine article > Are we on a starvation diet? The title of the article. > Here we go again. This month's Elle magazine (just on the > newstands, June) features an article by Joe Hooper: Metabolic Magic: > Exercise Less, Live Longer, and then titled (heard this before) The > Starvation Diet. I want to be the first to disclose the other side of > the conversation, what did not make it into the article, and to > apologize (blush) for letting Joe pull the heating pad statement out of > me! > On the whole it is an interesting article, certainly well written, > but he did not include any of the pro-Cr effects on my energy levels, > stamina, and general sense of well being. Nor did they include my > picture, which was a great selling point (lean but strong), instead, > they photographed a string bean, 3 peas, and an anchovy on a plate. > Anyway, we have been down this path before, I am sure I never said " I > don't consume enough calories for that. " Meaning to run for exercise. I > simply prefer other forms of exercise. > This article quotes Luigi Fontana on CR: > " These are educated, professional people, " he says, " and they had enough > energy to do things like run companies. " He admits that CR practioners' > lower levels of sex hormones are an area of potential concern, and that > CR extreme enough to interfere with a woman's menstrual cycle is an > invitation to trouble. > (the article continues:) However, if CR is not withouth risk, aerobic > exercise doesn't rate an entirely clean bill of health either.<< > It is an interesting comparison between the detremental effects of > oxidative stress on marathon athletes vs a sound cardiovascular program > of running and the side-effects of CR vs the metabolic shift (or > whatever mechanism it is that is operational in us, the CR on- switch) > that appears to give us an edge. The article mentions CR-lite, and that > Fontana and Leeuwenburgh both are hopefull that " moderate forms of the > practice may confer real health benefits and help us side-step most of > the negative side effects. > So that is the jist of my story, it closes with Joe asking me where I > expect to be in 2075? " I don't know what I'm dong three years from > now. " she says. It makes me sound rather like an air head, and leaves > out the history that Roy just passed away and that I am now reshaping my > life. Those interviewers did it again! But it makes for a good story. > I wanted you all to hear my side before discussion on the article > begins in this group.. > Walford > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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