Re: Re: Swimming, delayed onset of aging

[Guest guest]

Sorry Gay. Don't see any connection between your post and the fact that

swimming may not prevent osteoporsis since it's not a weight bearing

exercise.

on 7/1/2005 1:02 PM, Gay e at @... wrote:

> The point I'm making is that balance and technique are everything.

> The fitter one is, the more danger of having problems since there is

> the opportunity to put strain on joints for longer periods of time.

[Guest guest]

No need to apologize.

Slouching or poor posture is different from a " dowager's hump " which

unfortunately is a permanent situation (you can no longer straighten up)

caused by osteoporosis. Dowager's Hump is more common in the elderly while

bad posture is of course found among among all ages.

on 7/1/2005 3:29 PM, Gay e at @... wrote:

> With a quick apology to Francesa on the subject. I know a lot of

> people think Dowagers Hump can be caused or worsened by bad posture.

> Perhaps this is untrue?

[Guest guest]

Academy: that was only " one mouse " . Besides that fact , there could be hundreds of other variables that contributed to that woman's youthful appearance.

So the water/diving is just conjecture anyway.

on 7/10/2005 12:17 PM, ad min at academy_one@... wrote:

Hi Rodney,

Yes, it would be interesting to know if people who

spent a great deal of time under water seemed to age

differently.

JFWIW, my sense of Jaques Cousteau was that he was

more a producer than a diver and that he didn't do

that much diving without a camera... But I could

easily be wrong about that:-)

[Guest guest]

The most remarkable person IMHO afa looking/acting youthful is Mike Wallace of " 60 Minutes " . Believe it or not, he's in his mid 80's - 84 I read not long ago. Of course still working full time as a tv reporter. The only thing I know about him is that he's an avid tennis player. Of course he could have had a face lift which is something that tv/hollywood personalities often do but even if he did, his body and carriage is that of a much, much younger man. If I didn't know his age I would guess that he's about 50. If anyone has any idea how MW achieves his looks, bearing etc at this age, please do post.

on 7/10/2005 4:47 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

Hi Francesca:

It was probably Oil of Olay ; ^ )))

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Take a look at Dr. Debakey.

http://www.wic.org/bio/debakey.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_E._DeBakey

Ellis DeBakey, M.D. (born September 7, 1908), is a pioneering cardiovascular surgeon and researcher.

Not too bad for 97yo. Saw him on tv about a year ago in WORK clothes. Looked a lot like the picture. Said "we don't know what causes heart disease." Admits to long-lived parents. Reportedly doesn't eat much.

His book?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/068481188X/ref=sib_rdr_ex/002-1214709-0738457?%5Fencoding=UTF8 & p=S00E & j=0#reader-page

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Swimming, delayed onset of aging

The most remarkable person IMHO afa looking/acting youthful is Mike Wallace of "60 Minutes". Believe it or not, he's in his mid 80's - 84 I read not long ago. Of course still working full time as a tv reporter. The only thing I know about him is that he's an avid tennis player. Of course he could have had a face lift which is something that tv/hollywood personalities often do but even if he did, his body and carriage is that of a much, much younger man. If I didn't know his age I would guess that he's about 50. If anyone has any idea how MW achieves his looks, bearing etc at this age, please do post.

[Guest guest]

Although Hepburn lived long, she looked her age, (IMHO) and developed a sort of palsy (or shaking) in her later years. This was readily seen in some of her later movies and interviews.

According to Wikipedia, Mike Wallace was born in 1917, making him 87, not 84 as I had previously posted. So his youthfulness is even more remarkable.

on 7/10/2005 10:40 PM, ad min at academy_one@... wrote:

Just remembered another " mouse " :

Hepburn lived to 96 and especially enjoyed

swimming, and regularly took dips in the frigid waters

that fronted her bayfront Connecticut home, generally

believing that " the bitterer the medicine, the better

it was for you. " She continued her brisk swims well

into her 80's. (from Wikipedia)

[Guest guest]

I still have to believe people do because they CAN do, not the other way around.

I had a pool and swam for years, but the pool got too "cold". Now I walk.

My bro gymed and walked and played golf for years, but now he doesn't walk so good - bad circulation in the calves. Otherwise he doesn't look 81yo. Still works - does structural design at a standup drawing board. His calves are purple to about 1" below the knee. Another one of those things the doc can't fix. He's outlived our parents by 6 yrs.

So far my circ is good, but I have HTN. He never had HTN. Weird.

We have no type 2, but he has missing heart beats. bump-...-...-bumpbumpbump- ...- bumpbump-...-...-...-bump-. But he can't control his diet, but only 214 at 6'2".

His wife controlled the hell out of her diet - looks great for 84, but this year she doesn't remember me. Not enough carbs, I think - I have no idea. No dementia or Alzheimer's or stroke - just loss of memory.

Aging is funny and not fun.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:56 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Swimming, delayed onset of aging

Although Hepburn lived long, she looked her age, (IMHO) and developed a sort of palsy (or shaking) in her later years. This was readily seen in some of her later movies and interviews.According to Wikipedia, Mike Wallace was born in 1917, making him 87, not 84 as I had previously posted. So his youthfulness is even more remarkable. on 7/10/2005 10:40 PM, ad min at academy_one@... wrote:

Just remembered another "mouse": Hepburn lived to 96 and especially enjoyedswimming, and regularly took dips in the frigid watersthat fronted her bayfront Connecticut home, generallybelieving that "the bitterer the medicine, the betterit was for you." She continued her brisk swims wellinto her 80's. (from Wikipedia)

[Guest guest]

I can only hope I age as well as my mother who lived til almost 98. She had her own apt in a senior citizens high rise til the age of 971/2, did her own housecleaning til then, walked 1/2 a mile regularly to the market for food and had all her marbles upstairs. The only thing provided by the building was dinner - she cooked all her own breakfasts and lunches.

When my brother died, my mother was 95. Her lament was that if she would have been senile, at least she would have been spared the grief.

Once when my mom went to the doctor (in her 80's) the doc asked her age. As her habit was to regularly shave 20 years off if anyone asked, she did just that. The doctor marveled and said: " gee you don''t look it " . Of course she delighted in telling that one over and over.

on 7/11/2005 7:35 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

Hi JW:

I believe the occasional missed heatbeat - one missed every couple of

minutes, say - and usually followed by a bigger one to make up for

it, is called 'ectopic heatbeat' and is no cause for concern.

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately the rest of my family history is not good . My father died relatively young (70 yo of CVD) and both brothers died in their 60's (cancer and stroke). Both brothers btw were overweight as was my dad. I remain the only surviving member of my original family.

I can only hope .......

on 7/11/2005 7:55 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

Hi Francesca:

Well since you are on CRON and your mother presumably was not, you

should reasonably expect to fare better than her.

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

I hate to put a name on it - that means I diagnosed it. This is worse than that - it's called congestive heart failure by the cardio, but the symptom was falling asleep very easily. Something you wouldn't normally notice, especially if they've been doing the same for years. First clue was he fell asleep talking- to me on the phone so I went down there to see him.

Put a monitor on it and it becomes obvious. A very slow heart rate totally. That was maybe 10 years ago so I keep expecting to see it in me, but as long as my legs are clear I figure the HTN ain't that bad.

Today I did a treadmill - 3 miles 3 mph and checked my BP with no meds for 24 hrs.

At the peak, my BP was equal to my rested BP in 1990, 160/100. Rested was 137/82 - 58HR. So overall, the drop in weight from 234# to 178#, AND eating fewer calories, of course, makes me think I'm healthier than 1990 (then age 55).

Unfortunately, I wasn't running the test the same way in 2000 when I started 1800 kcals, so I can't exactly compare results, but I do know back then, had I left off the pills I would have been walking at about 179/97 - 77HR. Maybe as high as 187/102 - 79HR.

So I have to think there's a benefit to lower calories as well as lower weight.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:35 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Swimming, delayed onset of aging

Hi JW:I believe the occasional missed heatbeat - one missed every couple of minutes, say - and usually followed by a bigger one to make up for it, is called 'ectopic heatbeat' and is no cause for concern. Rodney.> Re: [ ] Re: Swimming, delayed onset of agingI still have to believe people do because they CAN do, not the other way around.> I had a pool and swam for years, but the pool got too "cold". Now I walk. > > My bro gymed and walked and played golf for years, but now he doesn't walk so good - bad circulation in the calves. Otherwise he doesn't look 81yo. Still works - does structural design at a standup drawing board. His calves are purple to about 1" below the knee. Another one of those things the doc can't fix. He's outlived our parents by 6 yrs. > > So far my circ is good, but I have HTN. He never had HTN. Weird.> > We have no type 2, but he has missing heart beats. bump-...-...-bumpbumpbump- ...- bumpbump-...-...-...-bump-. But he can't control his diet, but only 214 at 6'2". > His wife controlled the hell out of her diet - looks great for 84, but this year she doesn't remember me. Not enough carbs, I think - I have no idea. No dementia or Alzheimer's or stroke - just loss of memory. > > Aging is funny and not fun. > > Regards.

[Guest guest]

You're a woman, you're thin, you're educated, you don't smoke, you have the social status, so watch the cars/trucks.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Francesca Skelton

Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 7:03 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Swimming, delayed onset of aging

Unfortunately the rest of my family history is not good . My father died relatively young (70 yo of CVD) and both brothers died in their 60's (cancer and stroke). Both brothers btw were overweight as was my dad. I remain the only surviving member of my original family.I can only hope .......on 7/11/2005 7:55 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote: