Re: Group devoted to intermittent fasting

[Guest guest]

Steve: It would have been better netiquette if you had asked permission to

solicit our members before going ahead and posting this. No doubt the

answer would have been " yes " , but asking first would have been a lot

classier.

on 6/19/2005 9:04 PM, Steve Mount at intermittentfasting@...

wrote:

> Together with Albaugh (another intermittent faster), I've

> started a group devoted to intermittent fasting. This group is

> focused on the effects on physiology and health. We expect that both

> practitioners of intermittent fasting and scientists with an interest

> in the physiological effects of intermittent fasting will want to

> join.

[Guest guest]

I've never found good evidence for fasting, intermittent or not, except from 8 PM to 10 AM for blood work. Lotsa comments on the CR groups on the "benefits" - never found any benefits that are specific to fasting. Lotsa "how to" and no "SAFE how to" in refs.

Even Dr. Fuhrman's book says over and over to use a physician and it mentions no benefits that I could find.

OTOH:

120 yr diet

on Page 82:

"... in the rat, merely restricting food intake by 50 percent actually decreases UCP expression. When totally deprived of food, the body acts to maintain temperature by turning up the UCPs, thereby decreasing its metabolic efficiency and burning its fat. On the other hand, responding to partial food deprivation, it may just turn down the thermostat. Indeed CRON humans, as well as monkeys, tend to display a body temperature one or more degrees lower than normal. That's what you want. "

People keep talking about fasting like it's and easy everyday thing, anyone can do it and it's safe, but I've found no reason to do it and I think anyone who wants to try it should do some heavy reading on sudden death syndrome.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Mount

Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Group devoted to intermittent fasting

Why a separate group? Because intermittent fasting is not the samething as caloric restriction!

Right!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi JW:

Me too.

Some months ago I emailed Fuhrman and another well known promoter who

had a website advocating fasting, and earned his living giving advice

on the subject. I asked them if they could refer me to studies from

serious sources that showed fasting had health benefits. Neither was

able to do so.

I believe Mattson should soon be coming out with a nine month study

of 'one meal a day in early evening'. This may provide the first

good look at the effects of a very modest degree of fasting. If it

shows favorable results no doubt somewhat more radical fasting may

get tested later.

Either way, my preference is to permit other enthusiasts to be the

guinea-pigs. I may follow along later if the studies show promise of

benefits and negligible risks.

Rodney.

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> I've never found good evidence for fasting, intermittent or not,

except from 8 PM to 10 AM for blood work. Lotsa comments on the CR

groups on the " benefits " - never found any benefits that are specific

to fasting. Lotsa " how to " and no " SAFE how to " in refs.

> Even Dr. Fuhrman's book says over and over to use a physician and

it mentions no benefits that I could find.

>

> OTOH:

> 120 yr diet on Page 82:

> " ... in the rat, merely restricting food intake by 50 percent

actually decreases UCP expression. When totally deprived of food, the

body acts to maintain temperature by turning up the UCPs, thereby

decreasing its metabolic efficiency and burning its fat. On the other

hand, responding to partial food deprivation, it may just turn down

the thermostat. Indeed CRON humans, as well as monkeys, tend to

display a body temperature one or more degrees lower than normal.

That's what you want. "

>

> People keep talking about fasting like it's and easy everyday

thing, anyone can do it and it's safe, but I've found no reason to do

it and I think anyone who wants to try it should do some heavy

reading on sudden death syndrome.

>

>

> Regards.

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Steve Mount

>

> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:04 PM

> Subject: [ ] Group devoted to intermittent fasting

>

> Why a separate group? Because intermittent fasting is not the

same

> thing as caloric restriction!

>

>

> Right!!!