RE: Re: Re:no longer about Olive Oil?

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Optimal nutrition is far from a given. I'm not even sure I support the concept. CRAN (CR w/Adequate N) seems far more sensible.

I'm inclined to agree that the CR is extremely important and that's probably why it's listed first.

Despite our best efforts we all will die from something and it's always worthwhile to keep at least one eye on that ball. While

energy balance seems very influential in mitigating against almost every degenerative pathology, diet and behavior enjoy the

majority of research so are often topics of discussion. I don't believe in magic bullets although energy restriction comes

awfully close, so I for one am interested. That said, I don't need to hear yet another report about lifestyle or metabolic diseases

as that "should" be a given for this group.

I understand that this is the kindler gentler group, and many newcomers are still carrying their past sins on their hips so to

speak. I celebrate all who have decided to change their life (style) and you are at the right place. While this is not a weight-watchers

group hug zone, there are many here who can relate. I have been fat and I have been thin. Thin is better :-). While I don't know

that you can be too rich, I believe you can be too thin but I'm not confident to make that call for other people. I leveled off at

around 21 BMI for now.

The concept of set point was very confusing to me because it seems the body could establish more than one set point. What I

believe may be "the" set point in question is the set point we were fed up to as a child. The same individual, energy restricted from

gestation would clearly grow less and be smaller with a lower BMI than being fully or over fed through adolescence.

I suspect within a few years we may be able to come up with a blood panel that can reliably confirm a range of energy restriction

and CR expression or effect. Who knows, being a fat kid will not likely be an advantage for longevity but it may suggest that we don't

need to restrict too low afterward based on that previous feeding pattern. The body is reasonable pliable but there are limits to healthy

remodeling.

Welcome to the great unknown...

JR

PS: there is another CR (CRSOC) list that more strictly science oriented that may be more to your liking. FWIW most of these questions

have been kicked around for years so be prepared for spend time searching the archives for basic stuff.

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of AlbaughSent: Friday, June 10, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Re: Olive Oil?My assumption, for this group is that the "optimal nutrition" part of the program is a given. I'm perhaps more mechansitic than most in focusing on how specific nutrients/feeding regimes impact the aging process as opposed to affecting general good health. M wrote: Message: 21 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:31:21 -0400 From: Albaugh <albaughg@...> Subject: Re: Re: Olive Oil? A small amount of fat greatly improves the bioavailability of most fat soluble vitamins and phytonutrients. As most members of this group appreciate, the quality of the fat is important. Olive oil in rich in MUFAs and so is a good choice as a solvent for such fat soluble nutrients as Vit A, various carotenoids. etc. And while this is an important topic, my question about this thread as well as the earlier thread addressing the ins and outs of garlic is: What do these topics have to do with dietary restriction, calorie restriction or intermittent fasting??? Sincerely, --Umm, maybe the optimal nutrition part of CRON? Maco