Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 What's the consensus on soy here? Safe? Unsafe? Good for you? Bad for you? Who regularly consumes soy milk here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Why not soy milk? Jeff Novick, what is Pritikin's stance on soy milk or tofu consumption? Thanks all! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 >>what is Pritikin's stance on soy milk or tofu consumption? Pritikin allows its use on a limited basis. 1-2 servings per day with a serving being an 8 oz glass of soy milk or a 4 -6 oz of tofu (tempeh) etc. We do not recommend the use of soy pills, powders, supplements, etc or most of the fake soy foods (burgers, bacon, links, etc). For those trying to lower their cholesterol, and LDL, it may be better for them to use some soy instead of the dairy servings and more vegetable based protein instead of animal. however, In my own personal opinion, I dont use it, of if I do, rarely. I may occasionally choose some tofu with steamed broccoli and a local restaurant I visit or share in some edamame, but thats about it. Regards Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 >>what is Pritikin's stance on soy milk or tofu consumption? Pritikin allows its use on a limited basis. 1-2 servings per day with a serving being an 8 oz glass of soy milk or a 4 -6 oz of tofu (tempeh) etc. We do not recommend the use of soy pills, powders, supplements, etc or most of the fake soy foods (burgers, bacon, links, etc). For those trying to lower their cholesterol, and LDL, it may be better for them to use some soy instead of the dairy servings and more vegetable based protein instead of animal. however, In my own personal opinion, I dont use it, of if I do, rarely. I may occasionally choose some tofu with steamed broccoli and a local restaurant I visit or share in some edamame, but thats about it. Regards Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 PS I also think we in American over do it. If a little is good, more has got to be better and a lot more has got to be the best. These numbers are from a study that considered the soy intake " high " and the totals for the day (men, women) were The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 128 No. 2 February 1998, pp. 209-213 Decreased Serum Total Cholesterol Concentration Is Associated with High Intake of Soy Products in Japanese Men and Women Total soy products g/d Men 63.6 ± 52.3 Women 54.4 ± 40.0 Total soy protein g/ Men 8.00 ± 4.95 Women 6.88 ± 4.06 Thats ONLY around 2 ounces of soy products a day with .25 ounce of soy protein a day. Keep that in mind when you realize the 2 allowed health claims on the US Food Label by the FDA is for 25 grams of soy PROTEIN a day. From the FDA site... (1) 25 grams of soy protein a day, as part of a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of heart disease. A serving of [name of food] supplies ____ grams of soy protein. (2) Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams of soy protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease. One serving of [name of food] provides ____ grams of soy protein. Oy Vey! Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 PS I also think we in American over do it. If a little is good, more has got to be better and a lot more has got to be the best. These numbers are from a study that considered the soy intake " high " and the totals for the day (men, women) were The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 128 No. 2 February 1998, pp. 209-213 Decreased Serum Total Cholesterol Concentration Is Associated with High Intake of Soy Products in Japanese Men and Women Total soy products g/d Men 63.6 ± 52.3 Women 54.4 ± 40.0 Total soy protein g/ Men 8.00 ± 4.95 Women 6.88 ± 4.06 Thats ONLY around 2 ounces of soy products a day with .25 ounce of soy protein a day. Keep that in mind when you realize the 2 allowed health claims on the US Food Label by the FDA is for 25 grams of soy PROTEIN a day. From the FDA site... (1) 25 grams of soy protein a day, as part of a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of heart disease. A serving of [name of food] supplies ____ grams of soy protein. (2) Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams of soy protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease. One serving of [name of food] provides ____ grams of soy protein. Oy Vey! Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Hi folks: It may be important to differentiate between soy fat and soy protein. I generally avoid products that contain soy fat (that of course includes tofu, ~60% of calories from fat), but consume small amounts of soy protein as an additive in my multi-veg soup, because of suggestions it may help protect against prostate cancer. fwiw. Rodney. > What's the consensus on soy here? Safe? Unsafe? Good for you? Bad for > you? Who regularly consumes soy milk here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Hi folks: It may be important to differentiate between soy fat and soy protein. I generally avoid products that contain soy fat (that of course includes tofu, ~60% of calories from fat), but consume small amounts of soy protein as an additive in my multi-veg soup, because of suggestions it may help protect against prostate cancer. fwiw. Rodney. > What's the consensus on soy here? Safe? Unsafe? Good for you? Bad for > you? Who regularly consumes soy milk here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Hi All, Maybe a more bottom line paper is pdf-available and the Medline citation is below. Nagata C, Takatsuka N, Shimizu H. Soy and fish oil intake and mortality in a Japanese community. Am J Epidemiol. 2002 Nov 1;156(9):824-31. PMID: 12397000 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\ ct & list_uids=12397000 & query_hl=16 --- Jeff Novick <jnovick@...> wrote: > PS > > I also think we in American over do it. If a little is good, more has got to be > better and a lot more has got to be the best. > > These numbers are from a study that considered the soy intake " high " and the > totals for the day (men, women) were > > The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 128 No. 2 February 1998, pp. 209-213 > Decreased Serum Total Cholesterol Concentration Is Associated with High Intake of > Soy Products in Japanese Men and Women > > Total soy products g/d Men 63.6 ± 52.3 Women 54.4 ± 40.0 > Total soy protein g/ Men 8.00 ± 4.95 Women 6.88 ± 4.06 > > Thats ONLY around 2 ounces of soy products a day with .25 ounce of soy protein a > day. > > Keep that in mind when you realize the 2 allowed health claims on the US Food > Label by the FDA is for 25 grams of soy PROTEIN a day. > > From the FDA site... > > (1) 25 grams of soy protein a day, as part of a diet low in > saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of heart disease. A > serving of [name of food] supplies ____ grams of soy protein. > (2) Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams > of soy protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease. One serving > of [name of food] provides ____ grams of soy protein. > > > Oy Vey! > > Jeff > > > > > > Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Hi All, Maybe a more bottom line paper is pdf-available and the Medline citation is below. Nagata C, Takatsuka N, Shimizu H. Soy and fish oil intake and mortality in a Japanese community. Am J Epidemiol. 2002 Nov 1;156(9):824-31. PMID: 12397000 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\ ct & list_uids=12397000 & query_hl=16 --- Jeff Novick <jnovick@...> wrote: > PS > > I also think we in American over do it. If a little is good, more has got to be > better and a lot more has got to be the best. > > These numbers are from a study that considered the soy intake " high " and the > totals for the day (men, women) were > > The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 128 No. 2 February 1998, pp. 209-213 > Decreased Serum Total Cholesterol Concentration Is Associated with High Intake of > Soy Products in Japanese Men and Women > > Total soy products g/d Men 63.6 ± 52.3 Women 54.4 ± 40.0 > Total soy protein g/ Men 8.00 ± 4.95 Women 6.88 ± 4.06 > > Thats ONLY around 2 ounces of soy products a day with .25 ounce of soy protein a > day. > > Keep that in mind when you realize the 2 allowed health claims on the US Food > Label by the FDA is for 25 grams of soy PROTEIN a day. > > From the FDA site... > > (1) 25 grams of soy protein a day, as part of a diet low in > saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of heart disease. A > serving of [name of food] supplies ____ grams of soy protein. > (2) Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams > of soy protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease. One serving > of [name of food] provides ____ grams of soy protein. > > > Oy Vey! > > Jeff > > > > > > Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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