RE: Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

[Guest guest]

You have raised some important questions and some perhaps less

so.

A) body odor is somewhat subjective. Garlic may be offensive to

some but for the garlic eater it's a social rather than health

issue. There are sundry foods that make their way into our breath

and skin pores. One classic is beef, which consumption of can

literally be smelled by sensitive vegetarians? Again a social

issue. In general CR still requires bathing and appropriate hygiene.

I'm not convinced anybody needs all the deodorants and perfumes

that industry wants us to think we need. I have never heard of

any of these sundry propellants or odor maskers being beneficial.

regarding natal and pre-natal development there are some

chemicals and perhaps even foods (like soy?) that may have hormone

like effects. Sexual differentiation and development during pregnancy

and early development could be affected by malefactors in diet.

C) The act of reducing excess adipose will in fact release toxins

already held in suspension. Thus another good reason for slow

moderate weight loss. Since the fat mass seems to hold the toxins

out of circulation it alternately could be argued that it is

protective. I really can't answer your specific question but we

will never get down to zero fat mass so the likely result of lower

fat with similar exposure is to change the concentration density

in the fat mass we have. One obvious benefit of CR is less of the

bad food if only change the amount we consume. Of course the benefit

compounds if we eat less and better.

There are some foods and chemicals known to bind to toxins and

may be helpful at removing them from our bodies. While I can not

imagine use of them simply to allow a higher toxic load, if that

is an extremely important QOL issue to you, it's your body and

your life. If not pregnant it should be harmless to others.

JR

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[mailto: ]On Behalf Of heitcanna

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:10 AM

Subject: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

When surfing the internet, I came across several articles that

stated a 100% healthful diet made of whole grains, massive

quantities of leafy vegetables, fresh fruits, soy products, super

greens, lots of sprouts, raw nuts and seeds, healthy oils and other

similar healthful ingredients will reduce your body odor in a matter

of weeks. The articles were related to eliminating toxic deodorants

from your lifestyle.

I am curious if any of the longtime Cronies have experienced a

reduction in body odor due to the healthy diet. If deodorants are

proven to be unhealthy, is there more to CRON than just long life?

Is a reduction in body odor just one of the great side effects to

this lifestyle? I know I would love to be able to get eliminate

deodorant from my lifestyle.

When I was pregnant with my son, I read several articles that stated

a lower sperm count for men can be attributed to the higher use of

cosmetics by their mothers. The evidence pointed to the chemicals in

all the soaps, hair products, deodorants, make-up foundations, etc.

has something to do with lower than average sperm counts in baby

boys. Many women use so many products that their bodies are building

up the toxins inside their bodies.

Does a reduction in body fat from CRON reduce the risks of toxic

build-up in our bodies? Would a thin woman be able to continue using

cosmetics because she lowers her risk of the build-up? If there is

low body fat, are the toxins just excreted through urine and never

stored in our bodies? When an obese person begins CRON will they

have higher than average body odor due to the fact the toxins are

leaving their system?

I would appreciate if anyone may have more insight to my questions.

Thanks!

Have a great day! Ann

[Guest guest]

Ann,

Sperm production is reduced more by high scrotal temperature than by

diet or environmental contaminants. Tight fitting

clothing (jockey shorts) and hot tubs are the most common culprits of

male infertility. See the abstracts below.

Do manufacturers make boxer shorts for boys? I remember seeing only

jockey shorts.

Tony

--- In , " heitcanna " <heitcanna@y...>

wrote:

[snip]

> When I was pregnant with my son, I read several articles that

stated

> a lower sperm count for men can be attributed to the higher use of

> cosmetics by their mothers. The evidence pointed to the chemicals

in

> all the soaps, hair products, deodorants, make-up foundations, etc.

> has something to do with lower than average sperm counts in baby

> boys. Many women use so many products that their bodies are

building

> up the toxins inside their bodies.

[snip]

===

Asian J Androl. 2004 Sep;6(3):243-7.

Seasonality in human semen quality of smokers and non-smokers:

effect of temperature.

Kunzle R, Mueller MD, Huber AW, Drescher H, Bersinger NA.

University Department of Clinical Research, Inselspital KKL

G3-825, Berne CH-3010, Switzerland.

AIM: To analyse the possible effect of seasonal variation on semen

parameters. METHODS: The participants consisted of 1,688 men attending

the andrology laboratory between 1991 and 1997 for reduced fertility

in the couple. Semen analysis was performed according to the WHO

manual. The 84 individual months of the study period were each

assigned to one of the three groups according to the average monthly

outside temperature; Group A (temperature < 4.4 degrees C), Group B

(4.4 degrees C - 13.3 degrees C) and Group C (>13.3 degrees C).

RESULTS: When comparing the different sperm parameters, the morphology

was significantly better in Group C. However, when the smokers were

analysed separately, this difference disappeared and significant

seasonal variations were found in sperm density, total sperm count,

motility and total motile sperm; they were deteriorated in the warmer

season. In non-smokers, no such negative effect of increased

temperature was observed. CONCLUSION: Sperm quality is influenced by

seasonal factors. Increased environmental temperature, (maybe also

light exposure) has an additional negative effect on the

spermatogenesis in smokers, leading to reduced sperm quality in men

with borderline fertility.

PMID: 15273875

===

Int J Androl. 2005 Apr;28(2):93-8.

Improvement of semen quality by nocturnal scrotal cooling in

oligozoospermic men with a history of testicular maldescent.

Jung A, Schill WB, Schuppe HC.

Center of Dermatology and Andrology, Justus Liebig University,

D-35392 Giessen, Germany. andreas.jung@...

For infertile men with a history of testicular maldescent only few

therapeutic options exist beside assisted reproduction. The aim of our

study was to evaluate the influence of nocturnal scrotal cooling on

semen quality in such patients presenting with oligozoospermia. Twenty

infertile men with a history of testicular maldescent and

oligozoospermia were included for nocturnal scrotal cooling over 12

weeks for every night. To increase nocturnal periscrotal air

circulation we used a membrane pump connected via plastic tubes to

receptacles placed in both groins. Semen analysis was performed at the

beginning of the cooling period and at weeks 4, 8 and 12. Another 20

infertile patients with a history of testicular maldescent and

oligozoospermia were followed without specific treatment and served as

a retrospectively built control group. Scrotal cooling at night by

means of a perigenital air stream resulted in a scrotal temperature

drop by 0.8 degrees C (median). A significant increase in sperm

concentration and total sperm count was achieved by nocturnal cooling

after 8 weeks (p < 0.01; p < 0.05; respectively) and 12 weeks (p <

0.01; p < 0.01; respectively). The improvement of sperm motility and

sperm morphology was statistically insignificant. The present study

suggests nocturnal scrotal cooling as a therapeutic option to improve

semen quality. In a further controlled prospective study the influence

on pregnancy rates should be evaluated.

PMID: 15811070

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Reprod Toxicol. 2002 May-Jun;16(3):215-21.

Impact of diurnal scrotal temperature on semen quality.

Hjollund NH, Storgaard L, Ernst E, Bonde JP, Olsen J.

Department of Occupational Medicine, Aarhus University Hospital,

Noerrebrogade 44, DK-8000 Aarhus, Denmark. hhjol@...

A high scrotal temperature is a common finding in infertile

patients and experimental studies indicate that specific types of heat

exposure reduce semen quality. More and more men have a sedentary work

position, which increases scrotal temperature. Semen and blood samples

from 99 healthy men were analysed in relation to scrotal skin

temperature obtained by a 24-h continuous monitoring protocol.

Information on sedentary position at work and during spare time was

collected by questionnaires. A negative correlation was found between

high scrotal temperature and sperm output. Sperm concentration

decreased 40% per 1 degrees C increment of median daytime scrotal

temperature (95% CI: 8-71%). Similar results were found for total

sperm count, FSH, and inhibin B. Motility, morphology, pH, and

testosterone were not significantly associated with temperature. Only

weak and inconsistent associations were found between sedentary

position and semen quality. We conclude that scrotal temperature and

semen quality are closely associated. Sedentary work position

encountered in ordinary jobs, although a strong determinant of scrotal

temperature, does not seem to have any effect on semen quality.

PMID: 12128094

[Guest guest]

I have almost no body odor with controlled protein level.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: heitcanna

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:09 AM

Subject: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

I am curious if any of the longtime Cronies have experienced a reduction in body odor due to the healthy diet. If deodorants are proven to be unhealthy, is there more to CRON than just long life? Is a reduction in body odor just one of the great side effects to this lifestyle? I know I would love to be able to get eliminate deodorant from my lifestyle. I would appreciate if anyone may have more insight to my questions. Thanks!Have a great day! Ann

[Guest guest]

This is one characteristic where self reporting is surely suspect. That's kind of asking

you to judge if you have an accent. :-)

JR

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of jwwrightSent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

I have almost no body odor with controlled protein level.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: heitcanna

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:09 AM

Subject: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

I am curious if any of the longtime Cronies have experienced a reduction in body odor due to the healthy diet. If deodorants are proven to be unhealthy, is there more to CRON than just long life? Is a reduction in body odor just one of the great side effects to this lifestyle? I know I would love to be able to get eliminate deodorant from my lifestyle. I would appreciate if anyone may have more insight to my questions. Thanks!Have a great day! Ann

[Guest guest]

I definitely know when my underarm has an odor. Most of the time I use no deodorant, (except soap).

Surely you can detect different odors in passing gas? H2S versus CO2?

Self reporting anything has errors. The one thing I'm unable to smell for sure is the amount of garlic odor, another might smell.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:27 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

This is one characteristic where self reporting is surely suspect. That's kind of asking

you to judge if you have an accent. :-)

JR

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of jwwrightSent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

I have almost no body odor with controlled protein level.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: heitcanna

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:09 AM

Subject: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

I am curious if any of the longtime Cronies have experienced a reduction in body odor due to the healthy diet. If deodorants are proven to be unhealthy, is there more to CRON than just long life? Is a reduction in body odor just one of the great side effects to this lifestyle? I know I would love to be able to get eliminate deodorant from my lifestyle. I would appreciate if anyone may have more insight to my questions. Thanks!Have a great day! Ann

[Guest guest]

The example I gave about beef eating having an odor is generally not perceived by the

beef eaters. I sure don't smell beef on myself.

Underarm odor, AFAIK is not directly due to odors secreted from the body but the

secondary effect of bacterial cultures flourishing in the moist relatively low oxygen, low

light environment. Surely individuals may vary in the food value of their perspiration, and

vigor of cultures inhabiting their damp dark places, but in general it's more a matter of

hygiene than diet.

My experience in my journey toward a healthier diet is that I probably generate more

noxious emissions of the Hydrogen Sulfide variety now but one of the benefits (and perhaps

causes) of my living alone is I don't create social issues with my personal odor at home.

I prefer to use Garlic sporadically in response to a perceived need, than regularly like

some kind of supplement. I will sometimes watch what I eat before going out in some

social circumstances.

JR

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of jwwrightSent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

I definitely know when my underarm has an odor. Most of the time I use no deodorant, (except soap).

Surely you can detect different odors in passing gas? H2S versus CO2?

Self reporting anything has errors. The one thing I'm unable to smell for sure is the amount of garlic odor, another might smell.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:27 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

This is one characteristic where self reporting is surely suspect. That's kind of asking

you to judge if you have an accent. :-)

JR

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of jwwrightSent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

I have almost no body odor with controlled protein level.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: heitcanna

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:09 AM

Subject: [ ] Can CRON reduce Body Odor?

I am curious if any of the longtime Cronies have experienced a reduction in body odor due to the healthy diet. If deodorants are proven to be unhealthy, is there more to CRON than just long life? Is a reduction in body odor just one of the great side effects to this lifestyle? I know I would love to be able to get eliminate deodorant from my lifestyle. I would appreciate if anyone may have more insight to my questions. Thanks!Have a great day! Ann