Guest guest Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Hi, So we come to specifics now. Let us start with Plagiarism. To plagiare means to steal.It is intellectual theft to use someone else's ideas, data or text without acknowledgement.It is a serious scientific misconduct and should not be indulged in. Scientific copying has become very common since all material became available on web. Plagiarism was never so easy since copy and paste facility came in! Digital plagiarism includes cyber-plagiarism; it is a term used to describe copying using computers. The E revolution made plagiarism faster, quicker, easier. The electronic shovel needs less effort and is very powerful. Vast array of tools are now available which are now misused for plagiarism. I am sure that the E-savvy young turks on NetRUM are aware that nothing is safe now, nothing can be protected from copying. There are converter softwares available for every format to make copying easy. But just because it is there does not mean you should be doing it. You do not steal belongings of others, just because they are there. Some say one is called a thief, only when caught stealing and not otherwise. In scientific writing, if you plagiarise, you will be branded plagiarist for ever - a scientific thief and there is no grey area or borderline thin difference here! Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Right from creation, there has been fraud and the truth is that, we can not stop it. But, we can mitigate, that is why there are laws. I blame us; scientists for allowing the publication of plagiarized articles; most if not all our biomedical journals today subject manuscripts to peer review. Unfortunately, many of us do low quality review, what do we expect as output? Low quality article of course! Many reviewers don't even search the internet for similar articles to the one they are asked to review, if you do, the likelihood that a case of plagiarism will be detected is high. Once before starting a review of a very good manuscript, I copied the title of a manuscript into several search engines only to get the exact article published in 1946. The authors merely changed the decimal points in the data. I downloaded the paper, sent it to this very reputable journal. The editor in chief wrote directly to the authors institution and copied me (anonymously though). Let all responsible scientists join hand to prevent the few "bag eggs" from giving us bad name. On the issue of self plagiarism, I have always debated this with colleagues; can one steal what belongs to him? sSent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneFrom: Dr Arif Hashmi <drarifhashmi@...>Sender: netrum Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:56:22 +0530<netrum >Reply netrum Subject: Re: Plagiarism Plagiarism is a problem in not just medicine but a lot of other fields. It's very easy to blame the widespread availability of internet for this phenomena. But I think the internet has facilitated the access to data and has also made it possible to check the authenticity of that data. So it's a two way street. Also one needs to consider why is there so much of a pressure on researchers to publish. The biomedical field is full of garbage journals which hardly add anything even to the existing pool of knowledge, new knowledge being out of question. Shouldn't we pay more attention to the quality rather than the quantity.Dr Arif Hashmianupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...> wrote:>Dear Sir,> Even though copying has become easier, it is equally easy to detect copied work. Sophisticated search engines are now available which can detect the source of copied data. > Can e-copying be covered under cyber crime and investigated by cyber crime investigation cell?>>Anupama>>>>>>From: Vijay <drvijaythawani@...>>Subject: Plagiarism>netrum >Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:20 PM>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> > > > Hi,>>>>So we come to specifics now. Let us start with Plagiarism. To plagiare means to steal.It is intellectual theft to use someone else's ideas, data or text without acknowledgement.It is a serious scientific misconduct and should not be indulged in.>>>>Scientific copying has become very common since all material became available on web. Plagiarism was never so easy since copy and paste facility came in! Digital plagiarism includes cyber-plagiarism; it is a term used to describe copying using computers. >>>>The E revolution made plagiarism faster, quicker, easier. The electronic shovel needs less effort and is very powerful. Vast array of tools are now available which are now misused for plagiarism.>>>>I am sure that the E-savvy young turks on NetRUM are aware that nothing is safe now, nothing can be protected from copying. There are converter softwares available for every format to make copying easy.>>>>But just because it is there does not mean you should be doing it. You do not steal belongings of others, just because they are there.>>>>Some say one is called a thief, only when caught stealing and not otherwise. In scientific writing, if you plagiarise, you will be branded plagiarist for ever - a scientific thief and there is no grey area or borderline thin difference here!>>>>Vijay >>>>>> > >> > >>> >>>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Dear All: One such search engine that can be used to track plagiarised copies of a document on web is www.copyscape.com With Regards Geer M. Ishaq Sr. Assistant Professor Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Kashmir Srinagar-190006 (J & K) Ph: 09906673100 From: anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...>netrum Sent: Fri, 15 April, 2011 11:08:37 AMSubject: Re: Plagiarism Dear Sir, Even though copying has become easier, it is equally easy to detect copied work. Sophisticated search engines are now available which can detect the source of copied data. Can e-copying be covered under cyber crime and investigated by cyber crime investigation cell?Anupama From: Vijay <drvijaythawani@...>Subject: Plagiarismnetrum Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:20 PM Hi,So we come to specifics now. Let us start with Plagiarism. To plagiare means to steal.It is intellectual theft to use someone else's ideas, data or text without acknowledgement.It is a serious scientific misconduct and should not be indulged in.Scientific copying has become very common since all material became available on web. Plagiarism was never so easy since copy and paste facility came in! Digital plagiarism includes cyber-plagiarism; it is a term used to describe copying using computers. The E revolution made plagiarism faster, quicker, easier. The electronic shovel needs less effort and is very powerful. Vast array of tools are now available which are now misused for plagiarism.I am sure that the E-savvy young turks on NetRUM are aware that nothing is safe now, nothing can be protected from copying. There are converter softwares available for every format to make copying easy.But just because it is there does not mean you should be doing it. You do not steal belongings of others, just because they are there.Some say one is called a thief, only when caught stealing and not otherwise. In scientific writing, if you plagiarise, you will be branded plagiarist for ever - a scientific thief and there is no grey area or borderline thin difference here!Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Hi Anupama, Yes there are search engines which help you identify Plagiarism but these are not fool proof! I do not know if plagiarism falls within the area of cyber investigation cell. But it certainly is covered under copyright laws of the land. Vijay > > From: Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> > Subject: Plagiarism > netrum > Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:20 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > So we come to specifics now. Let us start with Plagiarism. To plagiare means to steal.It is intellectual theft to use someone else's ideas, data or text without acknowledgement.It is a serious scientific misconduct and should not be indulged in. > > > > Scientific copying has become very common since all material became available on web. Plagiarism was never so easy since copy and paste facility came in! Digital plagiarism includes cyber-plagiarism; it is a term used to describe copying using computers. > > > > The E revolution made plagiarism faster, quicker, easier. The electronic shovel needs less effort and is very powerful. Vast array of tools are now available which are now misused for plagiarism. > > > > I am sure that the E-savvy young turks on NetRUM are aware that nothing is safe now, nothing can be protected from copying. There are converter softwares available for every format to make copying easy. > > > > But just because it is there does not mean you should be doing it. You do not steal belongings of others, just because they are there. > > > > Some say one is called a thief, only when caught stealing and not otherwise. In scientific writing, if you plagiarise, you will be branded plagiarist for ever - a scientific thief and there is no grey area or borderline thin difference here! > > > > Vijay > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Yes Arif, we agree. Vijay > > > >From: Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> > >Subject: Plagiarism > >netrum > >Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > >So we come to specifics now. Let us start with Plagiarism. To plagiare means to steal.It is intellectual theft to use someone else's ideas, data or text without acknowledgement.It is a serious scientific misconduct and should not be indulged in. > > > > > > > >Scientific copying has become very common since all material became available on web. Plagiarism was never so easy since copy and paste facility came in! Digital plagiarism includes cyber-plagiarism; it is a term used to describe copying using computers. > > > > > > > >The E revolution made plagiarism faster, quicker, easier. The electronic shovel needs less effort and is very powerful. Vast array of tools are now available which are now misused for plagiarism. > > > > > > > >I am sure that the E-savvy young turks on NetRUM are aware that nothing is safe now, nothing can be protected from copying. There are converter softwares available for every format to make copying easy. > > > > > > > >But just because it is there does not mean you should be doing it. You do not steal belongings of others, just because they are there. > > > > > > > >Some say one is called a thief, only when caught stealing and not otherwise. In scientific writing, if you plagiarise, you will be branded plagiarist for ever - a scientific thief and there is no grey area or borderline thin difference here! > > > > > > > >Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Hi s, Why should one " steal " what belongs to him/her? It is rightfully owned by the individual. One should use it but with transparency. Hidden agendas are bad. People have money, acountable is welcome and unaccountable is dishonest. Purity of " means " decides purity of the " end " . Vijay > > > >From: Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> > >Subject: Plagiarism > >netrum > >Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > >So we come to specifics now. Let us start with Plagiarism. To plagiare means to steal.It is intellectual theft to use someone else's ideas, data or text without acknowledgement.It is a serious scientific misconduct and should not be indulged in. > > > > > > > >Scientific copying has become very common since all material became available on web. Plagiarism was never so easy since copy and paste facility came in! Digital plagiarism includes cyber-plagiarism; it is a term used to describe copying using computers. > > > > > > > >The E revolution made plagiarism faster, quicker, easier. The electronic shovel needs less effort and is very powerful. Vast array of tools are now available which are now misused for plagiarism. > > > > > > > >I am sure that the E-savvy young turks on NetRUM are aware that nothing is safe now, nothing can be protected from copying. There are converter softwares available for every format to make copying easy. > > > > > > > >But just because it is there does not mean you should be doing it. You do not steal belongings of others, just because they are there. > > > > > > > >Some say one is called a thief, only when caught stealing and not otherwise. In scientific writing, if you plagiarise, you will be branded plagiarist for ever - a scientific thief and there is no grey area or borderline thin difference here! > > > > > > > >Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Dear All, Its really strange that we are still publishing articles on - How the AIDS spread, The prevalence of Anaemia and so on.... We already know the problem. What we need are the interventional studies having impact on the existing problems. Studies and articles capable of bringing change is the need of the hour. Mere doing research for publication is deceiving self and others. Rajesh Garg. On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:57:51 +0530 wrote > Plagiarism is a problem in not just medicine but a lot of other fields. It's very easy to blame the widespread availability of internet for this phenomena. But I think the internet has facilitated the access to data and has also made it possible to check the authenticity of that data. So it's a two way street. Also one needs to consider why is there so much of a pressure on researchers to publish. The biomedical field is full of garbage journals which hardly add anything even to the existing pool of knowledge, new knowledge being out of question. Shouldn't we pay more attention to the quality rather than the quantity. Dr Arif Hashmi anupama sukhlecha wrote: >Dear Sir, >Â Even though copying has become easier, it is equally easy to detect copied work. Sophisticated search engines are now available which can detect the source of copied data. >Â Can e-copying be covered under cyber crime and investigated by cyber crime investigation cell? > >Anupama > > > > > >From: Vijay >Subject: Plagiarism >netrum >Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:20 PM > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > >So we come to specifics now. Let us start with Plagiarism. To plagiare means to steal.It is intellectual theft to use someone else's ideas, data or text without acknowledgement.It is a serious scientific misconduct and should not be indulged in. > > > >Scientific copying has become very common since all material became available on web. Plagiarism was never so easy since copy and paste facility came in! Digital plagiarism includes cyber-plagiarism; it is a term used to describe copying using computers. > > > >The E revolution made plagiarism faster, quicker, easier. The electronic shovel needs less effort and is very powerful. Vast array of tools are now available which are now misused for plagiarism. > > > >I am sure that the E-savvy young turks on NetRUM are aware that nothing is safe now, nothing can be protected from copying. There are converter softwares available for every format to make copying easy. > > > >But just because it is there does not mean you should be doing it. You do not steal belongings of others, just because they are there. > > > >Some say one is called a thief, only when caught stealing and not otherwise. In scientific writing, if you plagiarise, you will be branded plagiarist for ever - a scientific thief and there is no grey area or borderline thin difference here! > > > >Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Rajesh Garg, (Ex-S.M.O., WHO-NPSP) Assistant Professor, Dept of Community Medicine, V.C.S.G. Govt Medical Sciences Research Institute, Srinagar-Garhwal, (Dist-Pauri Garhwal, Uttrakhand) Mobile:09760644063. "I Can" is more powerful than "I.Q." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Rajesh,Nice to see you touch this issue.The key principle of any research (or research cycle, if you will) is to move from what is known as " background " knowledge to foreground knowledge. All established knowledge bits as you described here are " background " knowledge that one should acquire while in a university or in a training programme (pre or post graduate). Researchers typically move from background knowledge to foreground questions. Research is about testing foreground questions and hypotheses. That said, there are still areas where background knowledge need to be tested for their truth. There are numerous examples in medicine where established treatments are questioned and revised. For a quick review of how background and foreground knowledge processes work in medical research and evidence based medicine, you may want to review the following website: http://www.evidencebasedradiology.net/1_ask/1_ask.htmlThus, research does not always mean discarding or moving on from what is established knowledge. In several circumstances, it also means repeatedly asking questions based on background information and plugging information gaps. Best,Arin " There's a crack in everything, it's how the light gets in. " (Leonard Cohen) On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Rajesh Garg <garg50@...> wrote: Dear All, Its really strange that we are still publishing articles on - How the AIDS spread, The prevalence of Anaemia and so on.... We already know the problem. What we need are the interventional studies having impact on the existing problems. Studies and articles capable of bringing change is the need of the hour. Mere doing research for publication is deceiving self and others. Rajesh Garg. On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:57:51 +0530 wrote > Plagiarism is a problem in not just medicine but a lot of other fields. It's very easy to blame the widespread availability of internet for this phenomena. But I think the internet has facilitated the access to data and has also made it possible to check the authenticity of that data. So it's a two way street. Also one needs to consider why is there so much of a pressure on researchers to publish. The biomedical field is full of garbage journals which hardly add anything even to the existing pool of knowledge, new knowledge being out of question. Shouldn't we pay more attention to the quality rather than the quantity. Dr Arif Hashmi anupama sukhlecha wrote: >Dear Sir, > Even though copying has become easier, it is equally easy to detect copied work. Sophisticated search engines are now available which can detect the source of copied data. > Can e-copying be covered under cyber crime and investigated by cyber crime investigation cell? > >Anupama > > > > > >From: Vijay >Subject: Plagiarism >netrum >Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:20 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > >So we come to specifics now. Let us start with Plagiarism. To plagiare means to steal.It is intellectual theft to use someone else's ideas, data or text without acknowledgement.It is a serious scientific misconduct and should not be indulged in. > > > >Scientific copying has become very common since all material became available on web. Plagiarism was never so easy since copy and paste facility came in! Digital plagiarism includes cyber-plagiarism; it is a term used to describe copying using computers. > > > >The E revolution made plagiarism faster, quicker, easier. The electronic shovel needs less effort and is very powerful. Vast array of tools are now available which are now misused for plagiarism. > > > >I am sure that the E-savvy young turks on NetRUM are aware that nothing is safe now, nothing can be protected from copying. There are converter softwares available for every format to make copying easy. > > > >But just because it is there does not mean you should be doing it. You do not steal belongings of others, just because they are there. > > > >Some say one is called a thief, only when caught stealing and not otherwise. In scientific writing, if you plagiarise, you will be branded plagiarist for ever - a scientific thief and there is no grey area or borderline thin difference here! > > > >Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Rajesh Garg, (Ex-S.M.O., WHO-NPSP) Assistant Professor, Dept of Community Medicine, V.C.S.G. Govt Medical Sciences Research Institute, Srinagar-Garhwal, (Dist-Pauri Garhwal, Uttrakhand) Mobile:09760644063. " I Can " is more powerful than " I.Q. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Exactly sir, and that's the reason why this is not considered as seriously as plagiarism. But researchers need to be aware about the facts you mentioned. Dr Smita Sontakke From: Vijay <drvijaythawani@...>Subject: Re: Plagiarismnetrum Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 8:09 AM Hi Smita,What you call "self plagiarism" is often as a result of ignorance, lack of wareness about scientific writing and overconfidence. The realisation does not dawn upon the writers that they have to be careful even when quoting own material.One need not copy own published material without revealing it to the editor, where they have done it and why.Transparency helps.Vijay>> Hello All.>  > 'Self-plagiarism'  refers to the practice of an author using portions of their previous writings on the same topic in another of their publications, without specifically citing it formally in quotes. This practice is widespread and sometimes unintentional, as there are only so many ways to say the same thing on many occasions, particularly when writing the Methods section of an article. Although this usually violates the copyright that has been assigned to the publisher, there is no consensus as to whether this is a form of scientific misconduct, or how many of one's own words one can use before it is truly "plagiarism." Probably for this reason self-plagiarism is not regarded in the same light as plagiarism of the ideas and words of other individuals. If journals have developed a policy on this matter, it should be clearly stated for authors.>  > Dr. Smita Sontakke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Exactly sir, and that's the reason why this is not considered as seriously as plagiarism. But researchers need to be aware about the facts you mentioned. Dr Smita Sontakke From: Vijay <drvijaythawani@...>Subject: Re: Plagiarismnetrum Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 8:09 AM Hi Smita,What you call "self plagiarism" is often as a result of ignorance, lack of wareness about scientific writing and overconfidence. The realisation does not dawn upon the writers that they have to be careful even when quoting own material.One need not copy own published material without revealing it to the editor, where they have done it and why.Transparency helps.Vijay> > > From: Vijay <drvijaythawani@...>> Subject: Plagiarism> netrum > Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:20 PM> > > Â > > > > Hi,> > So we come to specifics now. Let us start with Plagiarism. To plagiare means to steal.It is intellectual theft to use someone else's ideas, data or text without acknowledgement.It is a serious scientific misconduct and should not be indulged in.> > Scientific copying has become very common since all material became available on web. Plagiarism was never so easy since copy and paste facility came in! Digital plagiarism includes cyber-plagiarism; it is a term used to describe copying using computers. > > The E revolution made plagiarism faster, quicker, easier. The electronic shovel needs less effort and is very powerful. Vast array of tools are now available which are now misused for plagiarism.> > I am sure that the E-savvy young turks on NetRUM are aware that nothing is safe now, nothing can be protected from copying. There are converter softwares available for every format to make copying easy.> > But just because it is there does not mean you should be doing it. You do not steal belongings of others, just because they are there.> > Some say one is called a thief, only when caught stealing and not otherwise. In scientific writing, if you plagiarise, you will be branded plagiarist for ever - a scientific thief and there is no grey area or borderline thin difference here!> > Vijay> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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