Re: Re: New discussion: Medical writing: Curtain raiser

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Hello Aditi,

From your post it seems that there are "ghost writers" in medical writing too.Nothing wrong in that. If one is good in a skill and is getting paid for the services, it hardly matters if your name appears or not in the author list since your contribution in the research process is nil.

kunda

From: dtchaturvedi <dtchaturvedi@...>netrum Sent: Sat, 26 March, 2011 7:33:02 AMSubject: Re: New discussion: Medical writing: Curtain raiser

SIR THAT'S SOME MATERIAL THAT I HAVE DOWNLOADED FROM NET AT 6.00AM.THATS THE EARLIEST THAT I COULD MANAGE………………..Scientific writing in English started in the 14th century.The Royal Society established good practice for scientific writing. Founder member, Sprat, wrote on the importance of plain and accurate description rather than rhetorical flourishes in his History of the Royal Society of London. Boyle emphasized the importance of not boring the reader with a dull, flat style.Medical writing is the activity of producing scientific documentation by a specialized writer. The medical writer typically is not one of the scientists or doctors who performed the research.A medical writer, working with doctors, scientists, and other subject matter experts, creates documents that effectively and clearly describe research results, product use and other medical information. The medical writer also makes sure the

documents comply with regulatory, journal, or other guidelines in terms of content, format and structure.Several professional organizations represent medical writers around the world. These include:• American Medical Writers Association (AMWA)• Australasian Medical Writers Association (AMWA)• European Medical Writers Association (EMWA)• Indian Medical Writers Association (IMWA).I would like to acknowledge that this information has been downloaded from :-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_writingthanks for being a source of inspiration for us.Aditi ChaturvediV.C.S.G.G.M.S & R.ISRINAGARUttarakhand>> >

Hi,> > After a long break we are daring to start a series on Medical Writing.> > The success of this will depend on your active participation.> > Publish or perish> > Present time demands that we all need to publish our works. Whether in> scientific field or academia, practice or industry, the individual worth> is weighed on the basis of quality publications. In academia the> promotions are linked to publications. On web the individual's> publications are seen, quoted, cited and referred to. There is no> scientific survival without publications. Hence we thought to start this> series which will cover some, if not all, aspects related to medical> writing.> > We all float in fluid while in womb but yet need to learn swimming when> born. Writing is known to all but needs to be learnt, inculcated,> developed, refined, imbibed.

It is a skill which does not come naturally> by merely reading others, just as you cant learn swimming sitting> outside the pool and watching others swim! For learning to swim, one has> to enter water. Similiarly we all need to learn how to write well.> > Thanks to my teachers of Journalism and my trainers at various courses> in medical writing - specially the JIPMER, India, team who taught me> formally, how to write. I will be generously using their material in> this discussion. Hence this sincere acknowledgement at the beginning.> God bless all of them.> > Have a nice e-discussion. I look forward to your active involvement,> which will decide the length of this series.> > Dr Vijay Thawani, Moderator>

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote: " This leads to my opinion that we are over dependent on Statisticians. Now that statistical softwares are available, Statistician should only be approached in rare cases where inidividuals are not able to attempt the work themselves.

Vijay " Let's face it, statistical software and the tables that the software put out are no replacement of well considered opinion provided by a qualified statistician. Often, the inexperienced data analyst/physician may not even know how to run the sequence of statistical procedures, and when and how to suspect the findings that the software puts out. While I do agree that to some extent statisticians' services may be overused and statistician may be approached for solving the most trivial of problems, nevertheless, relying on software to the exclusion of specialist help when available is dangerous. 

Arin Basu

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Hi Vijay,Sad to know this. I think we perhaps need a set of solid tutorials on data analysis and graphics for medical students, and physicians. One way to address this will be to organize tutorials such as this on basic data analytical strategies such as univariate, bivariate and some multivariate analytical strategies (nothing too complex but providing simple modular articles)Arin Sent from my iPadOn 28/03/2011, at 3:09 AM, "Vijay" <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:

Thanks Arin for coming in.

I spent 31 years in Govt Medical Colleges of Maharashtra, where PG students go to institutional Statistians for simplest of jobs, which unfortunately are not well done either. And the last I heard was that they unoffically charge in cash 3000 Indian rupees under the table for councelling, offering outdated and obsolete services.

I understand why others (who have suffered or are suffering) are not speaking on this!

Dr Vijay Thawani

> "This leads to my opinion that we are over dependent on Statisticians. Now

> that statistical softwares are available, Statistician should only be

> approached in rare cases where inidividuals are not able to attempt the work

> themselves.

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> > Vijay"

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> Let's face it, statistical software and the tables that the software put out

> are no replacement of well considered opinion provided by a qualified

> statistician. Often, the inexperienced data analyst/physician may not even

> know how to run the sequence of statistical procedures, and when and how to

> suspect the findings that the software puts out. While I do agree that to

> some extent statisticians' services may be overused and statistician may be

> approached for solving the most trivial of problems, nevertheless, relying

> on software to the exclusion of specialist help when available is

> dangerous.

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> Arin Basu

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Dear Dr Naveen:

Yes there are online resources available that allow to check references in conformity to a particular style. The manuscript submission websites of many journals offer the authors a method where they can check the correctness of the references they have used. For instance below given site allows to check the reference style of the Journal of Indian Association of Pediatric Surgeons.

http://www.journalonweb.com/jiaps/author/main.asp

Attached herewith is a powerpoint presentation on how to write references while submitting manuscripts.

Furthermore Windows 2007 application on your computer also allows you to choose a particular style of citation in the word document e.g, APA, Chicago, MLA style etc. For that purpose document should not be in the compatibility mode.

With Regards

Geer M. Ishaq

Sr. Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 09906673100

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From: Dr.Naveen Kodlady Jamnagar <naveenkodlady@...>netrum Sent: Mon, 28 March, 2011 5:57:37 PMSubject: Re: New discussion: Medical writing: Curtain raiser

Namaste all,

Can any body high light on easy way for Reference writing. Especially when ever we delete one or two references, is it possible to have corresponding changes in the reference list automatically? End note method seems to be useful,but any other simpler method for this?

Any softwares as a reference writing tool with standard uniform style?

Yours truly,Naveen Kodlady,

Jamnagar.

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References_Style.pps

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Dear Naveen,Mendeley desktop is a very useful tool in managing references for the following reasons:1. It is a free software that can be downloaded2. You can just drag and drop your PDF collections that you are intending to use as references, and the software will generate references for you on its own

3. It can generate references in all styles like AMA, Vancouver, Chicago manual etc.4. You can download it at: http://www.mendeley.com/download-mendeley-desktop/

I don't think there is any software that can monitor the concurrence between the body (text) of your paper and the reference section.Kishor

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Dr.Naveen Kodlady Jamnagar <naveenkodlady@...> wrote:

 

Namaste all,

Can any body high light on easy way for Reference writing. Especially when ever we delete one or two references, is it possible to have corresponding changes in the reference list automatically? End note method seems to be useful,but any other simpler method for this?

Any softwares as a  reference writing tool with standard uniform style?

Yours truly,Naveen Kodlady,

Jamnagar.

 

-- Kishor Patwardhan, MD(Ay), Ph.D.Assistant Professor,Department of Kriya Sharir,Faculty of Ayurveda, Institute of Medical Sciences,Banaras Hindu University,Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh,

India - 221005Phone: +919415290426http://www.kishorpatwardhan.blogspot.com/

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Try Stylewriter, here http://www.stylewriter-usa.com/Arin " There's a crack in everything, it's how the light gets in. " (Leonard Cohen)

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:28 PM, dtchaturvedi <dtchaturvedi@...> wrote:

 

Dear kishore

Thanks a lot on the information on mendley desktop.I would also like to know that most of the times papers are not accepted internationally because reviewers find a lot of grammatical errors.As english is not our first language is there any software that can help us on this.

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> > Namaste all,

> > Can any body high light on easy way for Reference writing. Especially when

> > ever we delete one or two references, is it possible to have corresponding

> > changes in the reference list automatically? End note method seems to be

> > useful,but any other simpler method for this?

> > Any softwares as a reference writing tool with standard uniform style?

> > Yours truly,

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> > *Naveen Kodlady,*

> > *Jamnagar.*

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> Kishor Patwardhan, MD(Ay), Ph.D.

> Assistant Professor,Department of Kriya Sharir,

> Faculty of Ayurveda, Institute of Medical Sciences,

> Banaras Hindu University,Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh,

> India - 221005

> Phone: +919415290426

>

> http://www.kishorpatwardhan.blogspot.com/

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Hi ZOTERO is another very useful tool for references.

Dr Arif Hashmi

dtchaturvedi <dtchaturvedi@...> wrote:

>Dear kishore

>Thanks a lot on the information on mendley desktop.I would also like to know

that most of the times papers are not accepted internationally because

reviewers find a lot of grammatical errors.As english is not our first language

is there any software that can help us on this.

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>> > Namaste all,

>> > Can any body high light on easy way for Reference writing. Especially when

>> > ever we delete one or two references, is it possible to have corresponding

>> > changes in the reference list automatically? End note method seems to be

>> > useful,but any other simpler method for this?

>> > Any softwares as a reference writing tool with standard uniform style?

>> > Yours truly,

>> >

>> > *Naveen Kodlady,*

>> > *Jamnagar.*

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>> Kishor Patwardhan, MD(Ay), Ph.D.

>> Assistant Professor,Department of Kriya Sharir,

>> Faculty of Ayurveda, Institute of Medical Sciences,

>> Banaras Hindu University,Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh,

>> India - 221005

>> Phone: +919415290426

>>

>> http://www.kishorpatwardhan.blogspot.com/

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Indeed, as Prof Thawani writes, it is possible to use any reference management or citation management system to dynamically update your references in the document. Just remember to update the document field codes. Sometimes it is as simple as " refreshe your bilbliography (endnote or mendeley) "

Arin " There's a crack in everything, it's how the light gets in. " (Leonard Cohen)

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:

 

Yes. It is possible. Please use reference manager or other softwares which ballow such change. For your information CD of reference manager was distributed with Indian Journal of Pharmacology some years back. Try the same from your seniors.

Vijay

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> Namaste all,

> Can any body high light on easy way for Reference writing. Especially when

> ever we delete one or two references, is it possible to have corresponding

> changes in the reference list automatically? End note method seems to be

> useful,but any other simpler method for this?

> Any softwares as a reference writing tool with standard uniform style?

> Yours truly,

>

> *Naveen Kodlady,*

> *Jamnagar.*

> *

>

> *

>