Re: Vitamin A, Vitamin D, cod liver oil

December 23, 2008

>

> Steph,

>

> In a previous post you mentioned taking vitamin A. I have seen this

mentioned on the forum

> other times also.

>

> Dr. Mercola is no longer recommending cod liver oil, as it is too

high in vit A as opposed to

> vit D. If one is low in vit D, then taking vit A can exacerbate the

vit D deficiency. This is all

> still being studied.

>

> I'm wondering if Dr. Brownstein has any recommendations with the new

research being done.

>

> I've taken cod liver oil off and on for a few years and now feel I

should make a change.

>

> Any comments on vit A, vit D, and omegas would be appreciated. I'm

wondering what others

> take. Deb

>

Hi, Deb. The Garden of Life brand of c.l.o. seems to have a good

radio of A to D. 5,000 to 200. I haven't read Mercola's column on

c.l.o. but knowing him, I would surmise - and I will apologize in

advance if I am full o' boloney - that it's because he has something

to sell. This is kind of odd inasmuch as, to the best of my

knowledge, Mercola is on the board of, or somehow associated with, the

Weston Price Fdn, which promotes the consumption of c.l.o.

Further, a naturally occurring Vit. D is always better, I suspect,

than a pill or capsule. People are now being advised to take D in the

thousands of units simply because it probably is not getting to where

it is needed.

Also, the various c.l.o. products out there I believe are artificially

manipulated as to content of A & D. But A & D are the whole point of

the product, aren't they?

Anyway, Garden of Life c.l.o. also has hefty amounts of Omega 3's.

I welcome everybody's opinions on this, too! - Mrs. B.

December 23, 2008

There isn't a better source of vitamin A and D than cod liver in its

own oil. If you rely only on cod liver oil, it is likely to be

processed. It's better to get the natural product. I highly

recommend Bornholms Officer smoked cod liver in its own oil, from

Denmark.

I've read that both of the unnatural forms of vitamin A and D are,

at best, ineffective, and at worst, detrimental. In the case of

vitamin D supplements, they actually impede the uptake of vitamin A,

the very thing vitamin D is supposed to do.

> >

> > Steph,

> >

> > In a previous post you mentioned taking vitamin A. I have seen

this

> mentioned on the forum

> > other times also.

> >

> > Dr. Mercola is no longer recommending cod liver oil, as it is too

> high in vit A as opposed to

> > vit D. If one is low in vit D, then taking vit A can exacerbate

the

> vit D deficiency. This is all

> > still being studied.

> >

> > I'm wondering if Dr. Brownstein has any recommendations with the

new

> research being done.

> >

> > I've taken cod liver oil off and on for a few years and now feel

I

> should make a change.

> >

> > Any comments on vit A, vit D, and omegas would be appreciated.

I'm

> wondering what others

> > take. Deb

> >

>

> Hi, Deb. The Garden of Life brand of c.l.o. seems to have a good

> radio of A to D. 5,000 to 200. I haven't read Mercola's column on

> c.l.o. but knowing him, I would surmise - and I will apologize in

> advance if I am full o' boloney - that it's because he has

something

> to sell. This is kind of odd inasmuch as, to the best of my

> knowledge, Mercola is on the board of, or somehow associated with,

the

> Weston Price Fdn, which promotes the consumption of c.l.o.

>

> Further, a naturally occurring Vit. D is always better, I suspect,

> than a pill or capsule. People are now being advised to take D in

the

> thousands of units simply because it probably is not getting to

where

> it is needed.

>

> Also, the various c.l.o. products out there I believe are

artificially

> manipulated as to content of A & D. But A & D are the whole point

of

> the product, aren't they?

>

> Anyway, Garden of Life c.l.o. also has hefty amounts of Omega 3's.

>

> I welcome everybody's opinions on this, too! - Mrs. B.

>

December 23, 2008

> Dr. Mercola is no longer recommending cod liver oil, as it is too high in

> vit A as opposed to vit D. If one is low in vit D, then taking vit A can

> exacerbate the vit D deficiency. This is all still being studied.

> Deb

Deb,

Dr. Mercola is probably responding to a December newsletter titled Vitamin A

toxicity which was released by the Vitamin D Council

www.vitamindcouncil.org/releases/shtml.

The Weston A. Price sent out an update on cod liver oil on 12/4/08 refuting

the toxicity claims of cod liver oil as asserted in the Vitamin D Council

newsletter. This update doesn't show up the WAPF website, so I have copied

it below. It is quite lengthy, but I feel this is important information not

available elsewhere. Since Dr. Mercola is a board member of WAPF, I'm

surprised he is now recommending not to take cod liver oil.

After reading the Vitamin D Council newsletter and the WAPF update, I will

continue to take my Blue Ice high-vitamin cod liver oil. I have read a

great article explaining the differences in how various cod liver oils are

made and am convinced Blue Ice is a superior natural product. I used to use

Carlson's CLO until I found out it had hazelnut oil and synthetic vitamins

in it. Nordic Naturals is a quality product but doesn't have enough Vitamin

A and D in it. The WAPF has recommendations as to which CLO products are

best.

Dear Members,

We are obliged to issue another official statement on cod liver oil after

the November bulletin of the Vitamin D Council, which contains " an

unprecedented warning about the ingestion of cod liver oil and resultant

vitamin A toxicity. "

The warning accompanies a report on a review article co-authored by Dr.

Cannell, head of the Vitamin D Council, and fifteen other researchers,

entitled " Cod Liver Oil, Vitamin A Toxicity, Frequent Respiratory

Infections, and the Vitamin D Deficiency Epidemic " in the November issue of

ls of Otology, Rhinology and Laryngology.

NO PROOF THAT VITAMIN A IS TOXIC

Most of this paper is a review of studies showing the benefits of vitamin D

in protecting against various illnesses, including respiratory infection.

THIS PAPER DOES NOT PRESENT ANY INFORMATION WHATSOEVER INDICATING THAT COD

LIVER OIL IS TOXIC, and, in fact, admits that vitamin A can significantly

reduce the incidence of acute lower respiratory tract infections in Third

World children.

A portion of the review article is an attempt to explain why a 2004 study

providing 600 to 700 IU of vitamin D and 3,500 IU of vitamin A in the form

of cod liver oil and a multivitamin failed to meaningfully reduce upper

respiratory tract infections when studies from the 1930s found that cod

liver oil could reduce the incidence of these infections by 30 to 50

percent. The authors of the recent commentary suggested that the older

studies were more effective because cod liver oil in the 1930s contained

much more vitamin D. They suggested that modern cod liver oil is low in

vitamin D because the deodorization process removes the vitamin while

manufacturers fortify the oil with only a fraction of the original amount.

As an example, they cited cod liver oil made by Nordic Naturals, advertised

as containing only " naturally occurring vitamins A and D, " which has only 3

to 60 IU of vitamin D per tablespoon but between 150 and 12,000 times as

much vitamin A.

This conclusion is essentially the same as the conclusion reached by the

Weston A. Price Foundation and the research of Masterjohn; we have

continually pointed out that vitamins A and D work together and that without

vitamin D, vitamin A can be ineffective or even toxic. We do not recommend

Nordic Naturals regular cod liver oil or any brand of cod liver oil that is

low in vitamin D. But it is completely inappropriate to conclude from this

2004 study that cod liver oil is toxic because of its vitamin A content.

Similar reviews could be put together showing the benefits of vitamin A and

cod liver oil in numerous studies, including the studies from the 1930s.

Obviously the solution is to use the type of cod liver oil that people took

in the 1930s, which did not have most of the vitamin D removed by modern

processing techniques.

Our recommendations for cod liver oil brands can be found at

westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/cod-liver-oil-menu.html

VITAMIN A DOES NOT ANTAGONIZE VITAMIN D

The Vitamin D Council report claims that the vitamin A in cod liver oil is

excessive and antagonizes vitamin D by inhibiting the binding of its active

form to DNA and thus preventing its ability to regulate the expression of

vitamin D-responsive genes.

Vitamins A and D are both precursors to active hormones that regulate the

expression of genes. The body possesses certain enzymes that convert each

of these in a two-step process to their active forms: vitamin A is converted

to retinal and then to active retinoic acid while vitamin D is converted to

calcidiol and then to active calcitriol. While directly consuming either

retinoic acid or calcitriol would be unnatural, consuming vitamins A and D,

together, as in cod liver oil, is perfectly natural. The enzymes involved

in these conversions are responsible for producing incredibly powerful

hormones and are therefore highly regulated.

In order for vitamin D to activate the expression of its target genes, it

must bind to the vitamin D receptor (VDR) and then combine with the retinoid

X receptor (RXR), which is activated by a particular form of vitamin A

called 9-cis retinoic acid. RESEARCHERS FROM SPAIN RECENTLY SHOWED THAT

VITAMIN D CAN ONLY EFFECTIVELY ACTIVATE TARGET GENES WHEN ITS PARTNER

RECEPTOR IS ACTIVATED BY VITAMIN A.

In the ABSENCE OF VITAMIN A, molecules called " corepressors " bind to the

VDR/RXR complex and PREVENT vitamin D from functioning.

The molecular biology of 9-cisï¿½ retinoic acid, however, is extremely

complex, and this has led to some confusion. The RXR and its activator

9-cis retinoic acid partner up not only with the vitamin D receptor, but

also with the receptors for steroid hormones, thyroid hormone, and most

other nuclear receptors. In fact, if enough 9-cis retinoic acid is present,

RXRs will even partner up with themselves. Ordinarily, this versatile form

of vitamin A is gradually derived in small amounts from the larger pool of

all-trans retinoic acid as needed. When scientists add large amounts of

9-cis retinoic acid to isolated cells, then, it may cause effects that

smaller amounts naturally produced in the cell would not cause.

Researchers have shown, for example, that 9-cis retinoic acid interferes

with the ability of vitamin D to stimulate the production of osteocalcin, a

vitamin K-dependent protein involved in organizing the mineralized matrix of

bone. This may have been because the excessive amount of 9-cis retinoic

acid caused RXRs to pair up with themselves and thereby made these receptors

unavailable to vitamin D. When scientists incubate cells with activated

vitamin D and all-trans retinoic acid, ordinarily the source of 9ï¿½-cis

retinoic acid in the cell, the two hormones stimulate the production of

osteocalcin with remarkable synergy.

More information on the interactions between vitamins A and D can be found

in these articles:

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-k2.html

http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamina-osteo.html

http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-d-safety.html

The Spanish research demonstrating the necessity of 9-cisï¿½ retinoic acid for

the functioning of the vitamin D receptor can be found here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936639?

http://mcb.asm.org/cgi/content/full/28/11/3817?

PLANT FOODS ARE NOT A GOOD SOURCE OF VITAMIN A

In the December Vitamin D Council newsletter, Dr. Cannell further claims

that consuming preformed vitamin A is " unnatural " and that the body highly

regulates the conversion of carotenoids found in vegetables to vitamin A as

needed. However, the enzymes that convert carotenoids to vitamin A are less

critically maintained because they are unneeded when preformed vitamin A is

provided in the diet-as it usually is. They are therefore, like the enzymes

that convert essential fatty acids in plant oils to their elongated and

desaturated forms, subject to variations in genetics, circumstantial health,

and dietary and environmental influences.

Many factors can interfere with the conversion of carotenoids into vitamin A

including thyroid problems, liver problems, diabetes and genetics. Babies

and children convert carotenes very poorly if at all.

The statement that preformed vitamin A is unnatural is ludicrous in the

light of what we know about traditional diets. The chief source of calories

in the traditional Inuit diet, for example, is seal oil, which Weston Price

found to be higher in vitamin A than cod liver oil. Fish heads, extremely

rich in vitamin A, are a staple in the Japanese diet. Many cultures consume

liver, often in high amounts-yet the authors of the review paper imply that

liver is toxic. Tell that to the Frenchman enjoying his foie gras, the

Englishman consuming liver and onions, or the South Sea Islander who submits

to great danger to obtain shark liver for men and women, in order to ensure

healthy children. The truth is that pre-formed vitamin A is more plentiful

in traditional foods than vitamin D, yet politically correct nutrition

insists that we must obtain vitamin A through the laborious process of

converting carotenes.

More information on the conversion of carotenoids to vitamin A can be found

in these articles:

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitaminasaga.html (see the

section " Vitamin A Vagary " ).

http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamina-osteo.html#carotenesnotad

COD LIVER OIL IN PREGNANCY

The ls paper does not cite any studies showing toxic effects from cod

liver oil, but Dr. Cannell cites one study in his December newsletter

associating intake of cod liver oil with hypertensive disorders during

pregnancy. Users of cod liver oil in this study had about twice the intake

of vitamins A and D as non-users and eight times the intake of long-chain

omega-3 fatty acids. The study found the most robust association with

long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, which were associated with lower risk

between 0.1 and 0.9 grams per day and higher risk above 0.9 grams per day.

The authors suggested that the association with high blood pressure might be

related to oxidative stress caused by a high intake of polyunsaturated fatty

acids.

The abstract of the study can be found here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16487202?

The new ls article offers nothing new to incriminate cod liver oil. It

provides a well-written argument that vitamin D intakes need to be higher

and incriminates only highly processed modern cod liver oils that have

inadequate amounts of this critical nutrient. We recommend only

high-vitamin cod liver oils that provide abundant vitamins A and D without

an excess of polyunsaturated fatty acids.

THE COD LIVER OIL PUBLIC HEALTH INITIATIVE

As we pointed out in our last update on cod liver oil, during the first half

of the century, cod liver oil was the focus of a worldwide health

initiative. Parents were urged to give cod liver oil to their children by

doctors, by government officials, by teachers and principals in schools, and

even by their ministers in churches. A large portion of adults in America

born before the Second World War received cod liver oil as children and this

practice contributed to a high level of health, intelligence and physical

development in those lucky enough to receive it. In many European

countries, children received a daily ration of cod liver oil, especially

during the war years. In the UK, for example, the government issued cod

liver oil to all growing children until the early 1950s.

What has led to the demise of this obviously beneficial practice? Cod liver

oil is a food; it can't be patented, it can't be created in a laboratory; it

can't create millions for the drug companies. So interest in this wonderful

superfood has naturally waned. But if you are basing your dietary habits on

the principles of healthy nutritional diets, don't hesitate to include cod

liver oil-our recommended brands of cod liver oil--as a healthy and natural

food source of critical vitamins so lacking in modern diets.

Sally Fallon, President

The Weston A. Price Foundation

December 23, 2008

Lynn McGaha wrote: " I used to use

Carlson's CLO until I found out it had hazelnut oil and synthetic vitamins

in it. "

Holy smokes Lynn! I use Carlson's CLO and liquid fish oil products.

Where did you hear that? Are their foreign oils in their fish oil as

well? And here I am paying top dollar for this stuff.....

Neil

December 23, 2008

> Lynn McGaha wrote: " I used to use

> Carlson's CLO until I found out it had hazelnut oil and synthetic vitamins

> in it. "

>

> Holy smokes Lynn! I use Carlson's CLO and liquid fish oil products.

> Where did you hear that? Are their foreign oils in their fish oil as

> well? And here I am paying top dollar for this stuff.....

>

> Neil

I have the original posts about this on my old computer and haven't

transferred the info over. But if you go to www.onibasu.com (you'll need to

register first) and click to search on all the groups listed, and search on:

Carlson's cod liver oil, you'll find a lot of posts about this subject. In

2005 the Weston A. Price Foundation removed Carlson's from their list of

recommended cod liver oil manufacturers.

This is a summary of the post that started all the discussion:

" A post from October 2004 was the first indication that there was more

than pollutants like mercury to worry about in cod liver oils.

Petteri from Finland reported that the product information sheet

filed with a [North European] government agency found soy product, synthetic

vitamins

and other additives in Carlson's cod liver oil.

Natural tocopherols (soy oil concentrate 70%), synthetic dl-

alphatocopherol-acetate, retinylpalmitate-concentrate (incl.

synthetic retinylpalmitate and peanut oil), cholecalciferol

concentrate (incl. synthetic cholecalciferol and vegetable oil).

The lemon flavor version includes also: saccharinsolution (incl.

ethanol), lemon flavor.

This vitamin E from soy is used to lengthen the shelf life of cod

liver oil. "

I think I erred in stating that there was hazelnut oil in Carlson's.

Hazelnut oil has been found in virgin olive oil, and that's where that idea

came from in my mind. But there definitely is an issue about whether

Carlson's has synthetic Vit A and Vit D and soy based Vit E (both GMO and

non-GMO) in it. Synthetics are an issue because they are toxic at much

lower levels than naturally occuring Vit A and Vit D. To really do justice

to this issue, you have to read the series of discussions on Onibasu.

Lynn

December 24, 2008

Hi All -

I am very confused and concerned about this. I am 5 months pregnant

and take DHA supplement from Nordic Naturals plus Carlson's CLO. I

have read Dr Mercola's article which can be found here:

<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/23/importa

nt-cod-liver-oil-update.aspx?PageIndex=1>

Mercola's suggestion as far as I can glean from the comments is 5

times as much vitamin D as vitamin A. In other words, all the

supplements seem to have the ration in reverse. Carlson's has 400 IU

of D and up to 1200 IU of A. Apparently, Mercola would like to see

something like 600 IU of A and 4000 IU of D.

We are talking about D3 and not D2.

To add to my confusion, my naturopath just prescribed me several

supplements from another company for pregnancy support and I am very

concerned to take all of them because they contain 20,600 IU of

vitamin A. This is in addition to other foods/products that I take

that also have vitamin A.

I am vitamin D deficient and have been supplementing with D3 around

4000 IU / day.

Mercola does not have anything to sell yet, but does mention that he

will be coming out with a new product soon.

Here's what I have on the back of a Carlson's bottle: " Carlson Code

Liver Oil comes entirely from the livers of fresh cod fish found in

the North Atlantic waters near Norway. The oil is separated from the

liver tissues without the use of chemicals. To insure the freshness of

the oil, the air inside the bottle is replaced with nitrogen and

natural-source vitamin E is added.

Cheryl

>

> Steph,

>

> In a previous post you mentioned taking vitamin A. I have seen this

mentioned on the forum

> other times also.

>

> Dr. Mercola is no longer recommending cod liver oil, as it is too

high in vit A as opposed to

> vit D. If one is low in vit D, then taking vit A can exacerbate the

vit D deficiency. This is all

> still being studied.

>

> I'm wondering if Dr. Brownstein has any recommendations with the new

research being done.

>

> I've taken cod liver oil off and on for a few years and now feel I

should make a change.

>

> Any comments on vit A, vit D, and omegas would be appreciated. I'm

wondering what others

> take. Deb

>

December 24, 2008

Lynn and all,

I just wanted to update (after speaking with Green Pastures owner Dave

Wetzel at the WAPF conference in Nov) that he said that they will be

phasing out the Blue Ice CLO because of the possibility of rancidity

(since they are cooked in the processing with high heat it leaves it

unstable, the moment you open the bottle it can start to turn rancid,

if it's not already from processing). He highly recommends the new

Raw CLO because it is cold processed. Of course it tastes like

machine oil, so I recommend capsules or a strong swig of something

warm afterwards....... unfortunately I have 2 bottles of liquid to go

through before I switch over.

claire in CA

December 24, 2008

Well it is confusing when you have dueling experts. I hope you read Sally

Fallon's response to the claims of Vitamin A toxicity in CLO, which I posted

yesterday, as well as a url for it today. Their are some older articles on

Vit A and Vit D at www.westonaprice.org. I suggest you read them as well.

Sometimes we just have to read the conflicting arguments and make our own

determination. Especially since you're pregnant, I can understand your

concern and frustration over conflicting recommendations. Be sure you are

not taking anything that has synthetic sources of vitamin A or D. You might

consider taking butter oil also.

Lynn

> Hi All -

>

> I am very confused and concerned about this. I am 5 months pregnant

> and take DHA supplement from Nordic Naturals plus Carlson's CLO. I

> have read Dr Mercola's article which can be found here:

> <http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/23/importa

> nt-cod-liver-oil-update.aspx?PageIndex=1>

>

> Mercola's suggestion as far as I can glean from the comments is 5

> times as much vitamin D as vitamin A. In other words, all the

> supplements seem to have the ration in reverse. Carlson's has 400 IU

> of D and up to 1200 IU of A. Apparently, Mercola would like to see

> something like 600 IU of A and 4000 IU of D.

>

> We are talking about D3 and not D2.

>

> To add to my confusion, my naturopath just prescribed me several

> supplements from another company for pregnancy support and I am very

> concerned to take all of them because they contain 20,600 IU of

> vitamin A. This is in addition to other foods/products that I take

> that also have vitamin A.

>

> I am vitamin D deficient and have been supplementing with D3 around

> 4000 IU / day.

>

> Mercola does not have anything to sell yet, but does mention that he

> will be coming out with a new product soon.

>

> Here's what I have on the back of a Carlson's bottle: " Carlson Code

> Liver Oil comes entirely from the livers of fresh cod fish found in

> the North Atlantic waters near Norway. The oil is separated from the

> liver tissues without the use of chemicals. To insure the freshness of

> the oil, the air inside the bottle is replaced with nitrogen and

> natural-source vitamin E is added.

>

> Cheryl

December 24, 2008

> Lynn and all,

> I just wanted to update (after speaking with Green Pastures owner Dave

> Wetzel at the WAPF conference in Nov) that he said that they will be

> phasing out the Blue Ice CLO because of the possibility of rancidity

> (since they are cooked in the processing with high heat it leaves it

> unstable, the moment you open the bottle it can start to turn rancid,

> if it's not already from processing). He highly recommends the new

> Raw CLO because it is cold processed. Of course it tastes like

> machine oil, so I recommend capsules or a strong swig of something

> warm afterwards....... unfortunately I have 2 bottles of liquid to go

> through before I switch over.

> claire in CA

Oh wow, I just ordered a mixed case of cinnamon Blue Ice CLO and Green

Pastures Butter Oil from them last week because they are having it on sale

right now. I guess that's why it's on sale. I'm don't think I can tolerate

the taste of unflavored CLO, and I'm sure capsules will be a much more

expensive option. I wonder how long they knew that Blue Ice non-raw CLO it

might be unstable. There is nothing on their website about it.

It's getting hard to trust anyone, although I imagine other manufacturers'

products have the same problem.

Lynn

December 24, 2008

I find this very interesting. I spoke to Dave Wetzel at the conference as

well and he me a completely different story as to why they are no longer

going to carry the Blue Ice CLO. He said that the manufacturer has

changed the process to take out the vitamin A and D and add it back in

afterwards. He said that the stock he has on hand now is still the old

process but once the stock is gone that will be it. I wonder which story

is true? Based on what he told me I bought a whole case of the mint CLO

because that is what my son likes. I sure hope it doesn't have a

rancidity problem.

Would anyone like to give Green Pastures a call and see if you get a

third story?

Irene

At 10:42 AM 12/24/2008, you wrote:

> Lynn and all,

> I just wanted to update (after speaking with Green Pastures owner

Dave

> Wetzel at the WAPF conference in Nov) that he said that they will

be

> phasing out the Blue Ice CLO because of the possibility of

rancidity

> (since they are cooked in the processing with high heat it leaves

it

> unstable, the moment you open the bottle it can start to turn

rancid,

> if it's not already from processing). He highly recommends the

new

> Raw CLO because it is cold processed. Of course it tastes like

> machine oil, so I recommend capsules or a strong swig of

something

> warm afterwards....... unfortunately I have 2 bottles of liquid to

go

> through before I switch over.

> claire in CA

Oh wow, I just ordered a mixed case of cinnamon Blue Ice CLO and Green

Pastures Butter Oil from them last week because they are having it on

sale

right now. I guess that's why it's on sale. I'm don't think I can

tolerate

the taste of unflavored CLO, and I'm sure capsules will be a much more

expensive option. I wonder how long they knew that Blue Ice non-raw CLO

it

might be unstable. There is nothing on their website about it.

It's getting hard to trust anyone, although I imagine other

manufacturers'

products have the same problem.

Lynn

December 24, 2008

According to their website, Green Pastures is not taking any phone orders for product until 1/4/09 because of the holidays. They are filling online orders, but it sounds like they may not be answering their phone. I think I will email them and ask about this.

Lynn

Re: Re: Vitamin A, Vitamin D, cod liver oil

I find this very interesting. I spoke to Dave Wetzel at the conference as well and he me a completely different story as to why they are no longer going to carry the Blue Ice CLO. He said that the manufacturer has changed the process to take out the vitamin A and D and add it back in afterwards. He said that the stock he has on hand now is still the old process but once the stock is gone that will be it. I wonder which story is true? Based on what he told me I bought a whole case of the mint CLO because that is what my son likes. I sure hope it doesn't have a rancidity problem.Would anyone like to give Green Pastures a call and see if you get a third story?IreneAt 10:42 AM 12/24/2008, you wrote:

> Lynn and all,> I just wanted to update (after speaking with Green Pastures owner Dave> Wetzel at the WAPF conference in Nov) that he said that they will be> phasing out the Blue Ice CLO because of the possibility of rancidity> (since they are cooked in the processing with high heat it leaves it> unstable, the moment you open the bottle it can start to turn rancid,> if it's not already from processing). He highly recommends the new> Raw CLO because it is cold processed. Of course it tastes like> machine oil, so I recommend capsules or a strong swig of something> warm afterwards....... unfortunately I have 2 bottles of liquid to go> through before I switch over.> claire in CAOh wow, I just ordered a mixed case of cinnamon Blue Ice CLO and Green Pastures Butter Oil from them last week because they are having it on sale right now. I guess that's why it's on sale. I'm don't think I can tolerate the taste of unflavored CLO, and I'm sure capsules will be a much more expensive option. I wonder how long they knew that Blue Ice non-raw CLO it might be unstable. There is nothing on their website about it.It's getting hard to trust anyone, although I imagine other manufacturers' products have the same problem.Lynn

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December 25, 2008

What about his fermented CLO? Is it better than raw?

On Dec 24, 2008, at 8:42 AM, claire wrote: