Re: New with fibroids

[Guest guest]

Along with iodine we need magnesium. Transcutaneous (through the

skin) magnesium sulfate is best.

If addressed adequately fibroids go away on their own. Way too many

hysterical-ectomies are performed unnecessarily. Don't take a cancer

diagnosis as definitive. Biopsies are notoriously poor for many

reasons, one being that not all the tissue in a tumor is malignant

and the area they sample may or may not be effected. Also biopsy may

cause the cancer to spread aka metastasize. Hcg titer and lactic acid

levels are a far better indicator of detecting cancer. They will

scoff when you tell them this yet after you start their barbaric

therapy they use these very tests to determine your progress. Ignore

the CA-125, its useless and very inaccurate. So is the PSA in men.

Cancer is a metabolic disorder anyway and it can only be corrected

with proper diet and elimination methods. Surgery has limited

benefit, radiation and chemo are worthless and really screw you up.

The improvement from those treatments is only temporary, the cancer

will return unless you make drastic lifestyle changes. Many people

have and are free from cancer. I know a girl who rid herself of

pancreatic cancer. She wouldn't the the ghouls touch her.

Stay out of the CT, it uses way too much radiation. MRI is safe and

is even beneficial. The more MRIs you take, the better. Some areas

use them for treatment as well as for diagnosis.

The best thing anyone in the U.S. can do when they know they have

cancer is to see a travel agent.

>

> Hello all -

>  

> I'm new and have several uterine fibroids.  Very large, very

painful and they appear to have grown fairly quickly.  I'm going for

another appointment tomorrow for an MRI, already had several tests

and today's appointment was with the doc saying he'd probably have to

just take out my uterus and be done with it, but leave my ovaries.

>  

> I've never been one to think removing something is normal.  Unless

it's cancer of course.  Which we don't know if this is or not.  He

kept telling me the chances are so slim, i've read 1 in 1000.  That's

not so slim to me.  We have a son who was born with spina bifida and

that was 1 in 1500.  So ...

>  

> I'm not scared in the least of cancer.  If it is we'll deal with it.

>  

> I'm more concerned with having to remove my uterus.  I feel there

just must be another way.

>  

> A friend from another list mentioned this list to me after hearing

my painful symptoms that I thought were related to my diet.

>  

> After doing a little research I've learned that there might be hope

for me with the iodine.  I've already orders a supplement to try for

3 months and see.

>  

> I'm wondering if there are any people on the list with similar

situations.

>  

> Oh they also found lots of fluid in my abdomen, probably from a

ruptured ovarian cyst.  But the CT wasn't too definitive - that's why

we're going with the MRI.  I'm told I should get good info from it.

>  

> Thank you in advance for your information. 

>  

> I've also had Grave's disease and had my thyroid radiated about 15+

years ago.  I now take the synthroid.

>  

> thanks all

> karen

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome . It sounds like you have been through it. I believe that iodine will help you. Dr. Flechas has spoken at a medical conference I attended / spoke at and he said that after taking iodine orally they are able to detect an increase in levels in the uterus. So I believe that would help. Since you had Graves you are already iodine deficient. RAI - that's nasty. I had 3 rounds of it for thyroid cancer (my story is on my website www.naturalthyroichoices.com ).

Where do you live? You might want to get to a holistic doc that can help you balance your hormones and detox as well.

New with fibroids

Hello all -

I'm new and have several uterine fibroids. Very large, very painful and they appear to have grown fairly quickly. I'm going for another appointment tomorrow for an MRI, already had several tests and today's appointment was with the doc saying he'd probably have to just take out my uterus and be done with it, but leave my ovaries.

I've never been one to think removing something is normal. Unless it's cancer of course. Which we don't know if this is or not. He kept telling me the chances are so slim, i've read 1 in 1000. That's not so slim to me. We have a son who was born with spina bifida and that was 1 in 1500. So ...

I'm not scared in the least of cancer. If it is we'll deal with it.

I'm more concerned with having to remove my uterus. I feel there just must be another way.

A friend from another list mentioned this list to me after hearing my painful symptoms that I thought were related to my diet.

After doing a little research I've learned that there might be hope for me with the iodine. I've already orders a supplement to try for 3 months and see.

I'm wondering if there are any people on the list with similar situations.

Oh they also found lots of fluid in my abdomen, probably from a ruptured ovarian cyst. But the CT wasn't too definitive - that's why we're going with the MRI. I'm told I should get good info from it.

Thank you in advance for your information.

I've also had Grave's disease and had my thyroid radiated about 15+ years ago. I now take the synthroid.

thanks all

karen

[Guest guest]

Comdyne,

What on earth do you mean by this? MRi is a type of radiation too, isn't it?

"Stay out of the CT, it uses way too much radiation. MRI is safe and is even beneficial. The more MRIs you take, the better. Some areas use them for treatment as well as for diagnosis. "

Angel

[Guest guest]

i too have a fibroid, recently diagnosed and 8cm . I have been reading about nattokinase- it reduces fibrin without surgery. VRP.com has a product. Also read about fibrovan, which also includes the nattokinase. There appears to be research done to prove its efficacy

read here:

Nattokinase is a potent fibrinolytic (clot-dissolving enzyme) extracted from a traditional Japanese cheese called Natto. Natto has been used as a food and a medical remedy for heart and vascular disease in Japanese culture for over 1000 years. Exciting research since 1980 has shown that Nattokinase helps our bodies dissolve and prevent unhealthy blood coagulation. It is now proven to have 4 times the clot dissolving power of plasmin! Plasmin is what our body produces to dissolve harmful blood clots or excess fibrin that can lead to many serious and fatal diseases including stroke and heart attack.The Nattokinase that is used in this product does NOT contain phytoestrogens from soy.

How is Nattokinase made?Natto cheese is made by adding beneficial bacteria Bacillus subtilis to boiled soybeans. When these bacteria act on the soybeans the enzyme Nattokinase is produced. Although other soy foods contain enzymes only the Natto preparation contains this special enzyme Nattokinase. How was Nattokinase discovered?In 1980 Japanese researcher Dr. Hiroyuki Sumi was searching for a natural thrombolytic (clot dissolving ) agent. After testing over 173 natural foods at the University of Chicago Medical School Dr. Sumi found what he was looking for. When he placed natto on artificial blood clots in his laboratory at body temperature the blood clots were dissolved within 18 hours! Dr. Sumi named his new discovery "nattokinase" which means "enzyme in natto." Excitedly he stated that nattokinase demonstrated "a potency matched by no other enzyme." How does Nattokinase work?Nattokinase enhances our body's ability to fight blood clots. Other blood thinners are exensive, short acting and have serious side-effects. Nattokinase has a prolonged effect without many side-effects associated with Coumadin and Warfarin. It is an enzyme that digests fibrin directly and indirectly. Indirectly, it activates pro-urokinase and tissue plasminogen activator (t-PA), supporting the fibrolytic activity of plasmin. These combined actions promote healthy platelet function, circulation and blood flow. About 10% of its affect is based on direct fibrinolytic activity whereas 90% is based on its ability to upregulate the plasminogen system. Nattokinase:

supports normal blood pressure prevents unhealthy blood clots from forming dissolves existing blood clots dissolves excess fibrin increases the body's production of plasmin as well as other clot-dissolving agents.

What research has been done on Nattokinase?Nattokinase has been the subject of 17 studies with new ones ongoing. Starting in 1990 Dr. Sumi's research team published a series of studies demonstrating the fibrinolytic effect of Nattokinase. Here are some highlights:

Researchers from JCR Pharmaceuticals, Oklahoma State University, and Miyazaki Medical College tested Nattokinase on healthy human subjects who were given Natto after creating artificial blood clots. Amazingly the time it took to dissolve the clots was cut in half. Also this clot-dissolving ability lasted up to 8 hours! In 4 out of 5 volunteers with high blood pressure who were given Nattokinase for 4 days the average blood pressure dropped at least 10%.

I am going to give it a try...has anyone else?

From: comdyne2002 <comdyne@...>Subject: Re: New with fibroidsiodine Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 10:05 PMAlong with iodine we need magnesium. Transcutaneous (through the skin) magnesium sulfate is best. If addressed adequately fibroids go away on their own. Way too many hysterical-ectomies are performed unnecessarily. Don't take a cancer diagnosis as definitive. Biopsies are notoriously poor for many reasons, one being that not all the tissue in a tumor is malignant and the area they sample may or may not be effected. Also biopsy may cause the cancer to spread aka metastasize. Hcg titer and lactic acid levels are a far better indicator of detecting cancer. They will scoff when you tell them this yet after you start their barbaric therapy they use these very tests to determine your progress. Ignore the CA-125, its useless and very inaccurate. So is the PSA in men.

Cancer is a metabolic disorder anyway and it can only be corrected with proper diet and elimination methods. Surgery has limited benefit, radiation and chemo are worthless and really screw you up. The improvement from those treatments is only temporary, the cancer will return unless you make drastic lifestyle changes. Many people have and are free from cancer. I know a girl who rid herself of pancreatic cancer. She wouldn't the the ghouls touch her. Stay out of the CT, it uses way too much radiation. MRI is safe and is even beneficial. The more MRIs you take, the better. Some areas use them for treatment as well as for diagnosis. The best thing anyone in the U.S. can do when they know they have cancer is to see a travel agent.

>

> Hello all - >

> I'm new and have several uterine fibroids. Very large, very painful and they appear to have grown fairly quickly. I'm going for another appointment tomorrow for an MRI, already had several tests and today's appointment was with the doc saying he'd probably have to just take out my uterus and be done with it, but leave my ovaries.

>

> I've never been one to think removing something is normal. Unless it's cancer of course. Which we don't know if this is or not. He kept telling me the chances are so slim, i've read 1 in 1000. That's not so slim to me. We have a son who was born with spina bifida and that was 1 in 1500. So ...

>

> I'm not scared in the least of cancer. If it is we'll deal with

it.

>

> I'm more concerned with having to remove my uterus. I feel there just must be another way.

>

> A friend from another list mentioned this list to me after hearing my painful symptoms that I thought were related to my diet.

>

> After doing a little research I've learned that there might be hope for me with the iodine. I've already orders a supplement to try for 3 months and see.

>

> I'm wondering if there are any people on the list with similar situations.

>

> Oh they also found lots of fluid in my abdomen, probably from a ruptured ovarian cyst. But the CT wasn't too definitive - that's why we're going with the MRI. I'm told I should get good info from it.

>

> Thank you in advance for your information. >

> I've also had Grave's disease and had my thyroid radiated about

15+ years ago. I now take the synthroid.

>

> thanks all

> karen

>

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[Guest guest]

MRI=NO RADIATION. It's magnetic based and very safe..

period.

--- toreadpeoplehealthinfo@... wrote:

>

>

> Comdyne,

>

> What on earth do you mean by this? MRi is a type of

> radiation too, isn't it?

>

> " Stay out of the CT, it uses way too much radiation.

> MRI is safe and

> is even beneficial. The more MRIs you take, the

> better. Some areas

> use them for treatment as well as for diagnosis. "

>

> Angel

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have been using natto (vitamin K2) for a couple of months now.

I have large and numerous fibroids. I don't know if the natto has

had any effect on my fibroids. I ramped up my intake of iodine since

April. I smear it on my breasts as well as take it orally. I have

had significant changes in my breasts. I am hoping that the natto

along with the iodine is having an impact on those fibroids. I guess

I will know better next year when they ultrasound to check them out again.

>

> i too have a fibroid, recently diagnosed and 8cm . I have been

reading about nattokinase- it reduces fibrin without surgery. VRP.com

has a product. Also read about fibrovan, which also includes the

nattokinase. There appears to be research done to prove its efficacy

> I am going to give it a try...has anyone else?

>

[Guest guest]

Oh goodness NO! MRI stands for Magnetic Resonance Imaging. The body

is placed inside a very high intensity stationary magnetic field so

that all of the hydrogen molecules line up in the same direction just

like a military formation. A high frequency radio signal is then

fired into the ranks, so-to-speak, and this causes a vibrational

disturbance by striking the troops in lines causing them to be pushed

slightly out of alignment. Sort of like ringing a giant church bell,

the soldiers vibrate slightly as they re-align themselves back into

position. This 'ringing energy' emits its own magnetic pulse which is

picked up by an array of very sensitive detectors that are in the

field of the machine. Like the dots on the inside of the TV CRT

screen, these detectors pick up these minute signals and paint a

picture digitally onto a computer screen and the magnificent view of

the body organs appear. There is no ionizing radiation at all, unlike

the CT which uses massive amounts of very deadly X-ray.

The MRI is all about exciting the hydrogen ion and at resonance, the

hydrogen molecule resonates (or vibrates) due to its physical size.

Because the body is about 85% water, the MRI frequency of the emitted

excitation RF pulse is tuned to the resonant frequency of the

hydrogen ion which makes up water. It is the difference in the

density of water in the body that contrasts itself against areas that

have lesser quantities of water. Because bone has very little water

in it, the MRI does not show bone structures very well and in these

cases CT must often be used.

The energy of the MRI is very useful when we have a disease like

cancer. The cancer tumor has a very high affinity for iron which is,

of course, magnetic. When a tumor is struck by a high intensity

magnetic field, it can be broken because its bonds in its protective

outer coat are very weak. The energy from the pulsed magnetic field

really shakes up cancer tumors causing them to dismantle themselves.

Other diseases respond as well as the basis for all disease is

exactly the same. There is only one disease which has two causes.

Many patients spontaneously become cured from their various ailments

as a result of having an MRI which really ticks off the medical

profession. The loss of further revenue resulting from the remission

disappoints most of them.

>

>

>

> Comdyne,

>

> What on earth do you mean by this? MRi is a type of radiation too,

isn't it?

>

> " Stay out of the CT, it uses way too much radiation. MRI is safe

and

> is even beneficial. The more MRIs you take, the better. Some areas

> use them for treatment as well as for diagnosis. "

>

> Angel

>

[Guest guest]

Wobenzym and other digestive enzymes will also help dissolve tumors.

These enzymes are the primary tool used for alternative (the correct)

methods of treating cancer.

Red meat competes with the digestive enzymes of the pancreas which

are trypsin and chymotrypsin. These same enzymes, when not used up

for digestion, circulate throughout then body and break down tumors.

All alternative cancer treatments require abstinance from all meats

for this reason.

> >

> > i too have a fibroid, recently diagnosed and 8cm . I have been

> reading about nattokinase- it reduces fibrin without surgery.

VRP.com

> has a product. Also read about fibrovan, which also includes the

> nattokinase. There appears to be research done to prove its efficacy

>

> > I am going to give it a try...has anyone else?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Does fish eating fish also compete with these enzymes?

sunray

From: comdyne2002 <comdyne@...>Subject: Re: New with fibroidsiodine Received: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 10:31 AM

Wobenzym and other digestive enzymes will also help dissolve tumors. These enzymes are the primary tool used for alternative (the correct) methods of treating cancer. Red meat competes with the digestive enzymes of the pancreas which are trypsin and chymotrypsin. These same enzymes, when not used up for digestion, circulate throughout then body and break down tumors. All alternative cancer treatments require abstinance from all meats for this reason. > >> > i too have a fibroid, recently diagnosed and 8cm . I have been> reading about nattokinase- it reduces fibrin without surgery. VRP.com> has a product. Also read about fibrovan, which also includes the> nattokinase. There appears to be research done to prove its efficacy> > > I am going to give it a try...has anyone else?> >>

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[Guest guest]

MRI is a type of MAGNET.

jp

Comdyne,

What on earth

do you mean by this? MRi is a type of radiation too, isn't it?

" Stay out of the CT, it uses way too much radiation. MRI is safe and

is even beneficial. The more MRIs you take, the better. Some areas

use them for treatment as well as for diagnosis. "

Angel

[Guest guest]

Good question. I simply don't know. Fish are excellent, however,

because their body temperature is lower than humans. The oils in the

fish remain soluable when ingested unlike animal oils that thicken

when taken into the human body which averages much lower temperatures

than do land beasts. When ever you eat protein other than that which

is derived from plants, it is a good idea to supplement with

additional digestive enzymes. I like to pop Papaya pills between

meals.

Contrary to popular belief, we do not use proteins to build muscle

mass. All of our requirements for protein can be adequately met by

eating vegatables alone. We require no protein from animals and over-

all, we consume way too much of it. We need only about 30 grams of

protein a day. Based upon the number of teeth we have (32) only 4 are

incisors. Thus our daily meat consumption should be limited to 12.5%

of the daily total.

> >

> > Yes, I have been using natto (vitamin K2) for a couple of months

> now.

> > I have large and numerous fibroids. I don't know if the natto has

> > had any effect on my fibroids. I ramped up my intake of iodine

> since

> > April. I smear it on my breasts as well as take it orally. I have

> > had significant changes in my breasts. I am hoping that the natto

> > along with the iodine is having an impact on those fibroids. I

> guess

> > I will know better next year when they ultrasound to check them

out

> again.

> SNIP

[Guest guest]

The brand is Jarrow Formulas MK-7. It says " Vitamin K2 as MK-7 " and

" Natto Extract " .

When I started I was muscle tested and my body wanted three a day.

Now I am down to one a day by muscle testing.

>

> From: llamabb <llamabb@...>

> Subject: Re: New with fibroids

> iodine

> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 9:57 AM

>

> Yes, I have been using natto (vitamin K2) for a couple of months now.

> I have large and numerous fibroids. I don't know if the natto has

> had any effect on my fibroids. I ramped up my intake of iodine since

> April. I smear it on my breasts as well as take it orally. I have

> had significant changes in my breasts. I am hoping that the natto

> along with the iodine is having an impact on those fibroids. I guess

> I will know better next year when they ultrasound to check them out

again.

[Guest guest]

Here is a description of what an MRI is http://www.mritutor.org/mritutor/WhatisMR.html

Steph

RE: Re: New with fibroids

MRI is a type of MAGNET.

jp

Comdyne,

What on earth do you mean by this? MRi is a type of radiation too, isn't it?

"Stay out of the CT, it uses way too much radiation. MRI is safe and is even beneficial. The more MRIs you take, the better. Some areas use them for treatment as well as for diagnosis. "

Angel

[Guest guest]

Just keep believing that it's working, and chances are better that it will be reality!

Would you please share where you get your nattokinase?

Angel

..

Re: New with fibroids

Posted by: "llamabb" llamabb@... llamabb

Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:57 am (PDT)

Yes, I have been using natto (vitamin K2) for a couple of months now.I have large and numerous fibroids. I don't know if the natto hashad any effect on my fibroids. I ramped up my intake of iodine sinceApril. I smear it on my breasts as well as take it orally. I havehad significant changes in my breasts. I am hoping that the nattoalong with the iodine is having an impact on those fibroids. I guessI will know better next year when they ultrasound to check them out again.>> i too have a fibroid, recently diagnosed and 8cm . I have beenreading about nattokinase- it reduces fibrin without surgery. VRP.comhas a product. Also read about fibrovan, which also includes thenattokinase. There appears to be research done to prove its efficacy> I am going to give it a try...has anyone else?

[Guest guest]

i ordered mine from vrp.com

From: toreadpeoplehealthinfo@... <toreadpeoplehealthinfo@...>Subject: Re: New with fibroidsiodine Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 3:37 AM

Just keep believing that it's working, and chances are better that it will be reality!

Would you please share where you get your nattokinase?

Angel

..

Re: New with fibroids

Posted by: "llamabb" llamabb@... llamabb

Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:57 am (PDT)

Yes, I have been using natto (vitamin K2) for a couple of months now.I have large and numerous fibroids. I don't know if the natto hashad any effect on my fibroids. I ramped up my intake of iodine sinceApril. I smear it on my breasts as well as take it orally. I havehad significant changes in my breasts. I am hoping that the nattoalong with the iodine is having an impact on those fibroids. I guessI will know better next year when they ultrasound to check them out again.>> i too have a fibroid, recently diagnosed and 8cm . I have beenreading about nattokinase- it reduces fibrin without surgery. VRP.comhas a product. Also read about fibrovan, which also includes thenattokinase. There appears to be

research done to prove its efficacy> I am going to give it a try...has anyone else?

[Guest guest]

Thank you Meredith!

Angel

Re: New with fibroids

Posted by: "meredith senter" meredithsenter@... meredithsenter

Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:36 am (PDT)

i ordered mine from vrp.comFrom: toreadpeoplehealthinfogmail <toreadpeoplehealthinfogmail>Subject: Re: New with fibroidsiodine Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 3:37 AMJust keep believing that it's working, and chances are better that it will be reality! Would you please share where you get your nattokinase? Angel

[Guest guest]

no problem...i will keep you in the loop once i start. i really don't want to have it removed if i can shrink it. from what i have heard, they come back if removed...From: toreadpeoplehealthi nfogmail (DOT) com <toreadpeoplehealthi nfogmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: New with fibroidsiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Friday, July 11, 2008, 3:37 AMJust keep believing that it's working, and chances

are better that it will be reality! Would you please share where you get your nattokinase? Angel

[Guest guest]

I have ordered the Jarrow MK-7 (Natto extract vitamin K2) from iHerb

and another place I can't remember. Iherb offers good deals on most

supplements. I think the Jarrow product is a good one. I ordered

another brand that my body did not want. Had to dump it. (Well I

gave it to my husband ;-)

> >

> > i too have a fibroid, recently diagnosed and 8cm . I have been

> reading about nattokinase- it reduces fibrin without surgery. VRP.com

> has a product. Also read about fibrovan, which also includes the

> nattokinase. There appears to be research done to prove its efficacy

>

> > I am going to give it a try...has anyone else?

>

[Guest guest]

Its realtively easy to distinguish between a fibroid and a cancer

tumor. Fibroids will move around when you push on them and they are

painful. Cancer tumors don't budge and are not painful, at least in

the early stages, later on, however...well, you know.

> > >

> > > i too have a fibroid, recently diagnosed and 8cm . I have been

> > reading about nattokinase- it reduces fibrin without surgery.

VRP.com

> > has a product. Also read about fibrovan, which also includes the

> > nattokinase. There appears to be research done to prove its

efficacy

> >

> > > I am going to give it a try...has anyone else?

> >

>